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Old 06-02-2008, 09:47 PM   #1
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Importance of occult experiences...

We must use the Writings of the Prophets as our measurement. If Baha'u'll'ah had attached the slightest importance to occult experiences,

to the seeing of auras,

to the hearing of mystic voices;

if He had believed that reincarnation was a fact, He, Himself, would have mentioned all of these things in His Teachings.

The fact that He passed over them in silence shows that to Him, they had either no importance or no reality, and were consequently not worthy to take up His time as the Divine Educator of the human race.


We must turn our faces away from these things, and toward the actual practice of His Teachings in our everyday life through our Bahá'í Administration, and in our contact with other people and the examples we give.


(From a letter dated 22 April 1954 written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer)

(The Universal House of Justice, 1996 Aug 06, Sabeans, UFOs, Alien Abduction and Genetic Engineering)
 
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:48 PM   #2
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Psychic powers...

While such accounts are interesting and provoke one's curiosity, we have no way of checking the veracity of such experiences. Shoghi Effendi has advised in his letters to the friends who asked him about psychic powers that we do not understand the nature of such phenomena, that we have no way of being sure what is true and what is false, that very little is known about the mind and its workings, and that we should endeavour to avoid giving undue consideration to such matters.

(From a letter dated 16 May 1985 written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer)

(The Universal House of Justice, 1996 Aug 06, Sabeans, UFOs, Alien Abduction and Genetic Engineering)
 
Old 03-24-2010, 07:02 AM   #3
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wasn't there a writing somewhere that discussed the psychic faculties of the mind being more developed in some than others but that we were to ignore it because these faculties are not for this world? I'm going to look into it and see if I can find the exact passage. Paranormal phenomenon has always been of great interest to me. I have tried to fight this because it is pretty clear in the writings that these things are not to be focused on or daubled in. What are some of your thoughts as to why this is?
 
Old 03-24-2010, 05:18 PM   #4
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Hi, sas

I have come to the same conclusion as you, pretty much, although sometimes I think we need to distinguish between types of "paranornmal" experiences.

Certain things we have been advised against but in tales of Abdul-Bahá and some very spiritual people there seems to me evidence of an inexplicable sense which seems to border on telepathy or a type of intuition when they seemed aware of the feelings and concerns of others even when there seemed no evidence. This seems to come with a higher level of spiritual development. Maybe I am wrong, but I often wonder about this and wonder if it is a sense that we would all develop if we were to develop more spiritually.
 
Old 03-24-2010, 05:23 PM   #5
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Having re-read what I wrote and the title of this thread, I did not mean to imply that this was something to do with the occult, just evidence of some sense that is not of the "five senses" - but who knows, maybe it is improved processing of and deductions of subtle information from the five senses.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 07:02 AM   #6
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Our neuro-science is discovering quite a bit about human consciousness that was previously unknown. We know, for example that we can heal our brains through education and training. Neuro-plasiticity is our discovery of the physical processes of how our minds influence our brain, for good or bad.

That's why I am so concerned about our modern media. Hollywood's fascination with graphic violence and sex and crime, etc. is training the people in our culture in extremely harmful ways. We use the multimedia tools for all kinds of education and training. What makes people think that watching sexual immorality, drug abuse and violence on TV for years is not harmful. Of course it is and we, the people of earth, have a right and a responsibility to do something about it.

As far as ESP and other psychic powers. The main ones I'm interested in are healing powers. I fancy myself as a holistic healer and teacher. I would like to develop any talent to use my mind to heal people. Reiki is one of the ways and means that I'm interested in investigating. I've also studied the I Ching which is an ancient Chinese Oracle. I'm also interested in Tai Chi and Gigong. I just want to use every available means to improve myself and help others. And I want to do so in way that is in perfect harmony with the Cause of Baha'u'llah.

Words are very powerful healing tools. Language is one of the most primal attributes of human nature. I'm very interested in studying neuro-linguistic programming in order to develop my holistic healing and teaching ability. Extending our consciousness using computers and the Internet is another interesting development in the study of human consciousness.

Playing with psychic powers is most likely harmful to human consciousness. That's probably why Abdu'l Baha and Shoghi Effendi discouraged it. Studying human consciousness and striving to use that knowledge for the benefit of all human beings everywhere, seems to be in harmony with serving Baha'u'llah.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 02:55 PM   #7
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My friend Arthra I agree to a point.
The problem lies in the fact that some will look upon certain mysteries as an end in themselves and be led away from God.
I myself have had mysterious happening's in my life, I accept them, thank God for them, but they are for me and me alone.
At certain times I can talk of these things with other Baha'is, but I am careful usually who I discuss these things with.
Of course there are people, such as New Age who place great store in these things, one can understand the danger by seeing their strong following.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 05:16 PM   #8
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Thanks for your post Blinkey Bill!

You live in Santiago ... Is there any information you'd like to share about the Temple there?
 
Old 01-19-2013, 12:43 PM   #9
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Thanks for your post Blinkey Bill!

You live in Santiago ... Is there any information you'd like to share about the Temple there?
Dear friend have been away for a while so have not seen this post.
The Temple progresses slowly.
There is an official site for the Chile temple, I would ask all to check with it.

loving regards to all
 
Old 01-19-2013, 07:21 PM   #10
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Progress on the Baha'i House of Worship in Chile:

Here's a vimeo on it:

Newsreel :: Bahá'í Temple of South America
 
Old 01-21-2013, 10:21 AM   #11
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The problem, per se, might be in trying to distinguish a genuine experience from mere mental flatulence.

As such, I tend to discount the relative importance of whatever intensely subjective experiences I might have had, and continue striving to measure things by the acquisition of knowledge, and the crucible of logic, reason and justice.

Ideas are tools to serve humanity, not the other way around.
 
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