The Ministry of The Universal House of Justice

cire perdue · 04-19-2011, 02:19 PM

http://irfancolloquia.org/u/nakhjavani_ministry

The above link is to the article of that title. It is an extremely informative article. It is one of my favorite things I have ever read. It talks about the formation of the House and a prophecy in Daniel that relates to the formation of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. He mentions that it is likely the Guardian knew of his death. It would have already been obvious to the Guardian that he would have no heir for a number of years. I always have thought that it happened as God wanted it to and left the rest to faith. This is more than enlightening. It reads rather quickly. Don't be discouraged. I do hope for some feedback from others.
Cire

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tonyfish58 · 04-19-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cire perdue

http://irfancolloquia.org/u/nakhjavani_ministry

The above link is to the article of that title. It is an extremely informative article. It is one of my favorite things I have ever read. It talks about the formation of the House and a prophecy in Daniel that relates to the formation of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. He mentions that it is likely the Guardian knew of his death. It would have already been obvious to the Guardian that he would have no heir for a number of years. I always have thought that it happened as God wanted it to and left the rest to faith. This is more than enlightening. It reads rather quickly. Don't be discouraged. I do hope for some feedback from others.
Cire

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I had a quick browse and will read later, seemed Ok - Due to the large amount of Non Baha'i quotes on the net, I am starting to be very wary of anything not on the Official Baha'i sites

Arthra is Teaching me well.

It would be good to see a site where this type of stuff can be posted after the contents have been approved by the Universal House of Justice.

If we do not have this, soon there will be so much bad info out ther we will not know which way to turn

Cheers Tony

Regards Tony

Pollwr · 04-20-2011, 04:35 AM

This was interesting. I was introduced to the Faith by an elderly couple who were very loyal to the covenant but had lived through the passing of Shogi Effendi and were expecting a new Guardian to be named and experienced the tests of having to re-examine their expectations when this was not to be the case. Until I read this article I never really got what they had referred to as the Universal House of Justice has always administered the Faith since I have been a Bahá'í and I had always acccepted that. It seemed obvious and right but now I see how it would have challenged those who did not expect there to be a Universal House of Justice so soon.

I have a personal thought on this, as well, having read the article but it is just me making sense of what I read. The article suggests that everything happened as expected and that Bahá'u'lláh, Abdúl-Bahá and Shogi Effendi knew what would pan out, despite at times, seeming to allow of other possibilities in what they wrote.

I was wondering, could it be, in this Wonderful, perfect, God-Given system, the players were still granted free will, as people are, which is a whole other discussion in general. I am tending to wonder if in making provision for another Guardian or other Guardians, the system Designed for the administration of the Faith would have worked if there was a person or people worthy of the post. Rather than saying: OK, we can see the future, no one beyond Shoghi Effendi will make the right choices so you will have to ellect the Universal House of Justice after he dies, the Heads of the Faith still gave those who would fall short a chance, and no inclination of a lack of faith in their abilities. When, given every chance and encouragment, the possible guardians fell short but there was the back up plan that ensured the smooth running of the Faith - The Universal House of Justice.

This seems like an example of not giving those who failed a self-fulfilling prophesy of failure therefore, the failure was theirs alone and not the fault of anyone else.

Well, that's just my reflection.

cire perdue · 04-20-2011, 06:36 AM

Pollwr, considering that there were contenders to be the new Guardian like Mason Remey, I think that there was lots of free will. I had never seen this, but I had come to believe that things happened the way they were supposed to. This beautiful article confirmed and added to that belief. Due to previous revelations that cannot guide us as this Faith, I think it is a new experience for us to be led by those so firm in the Faith as the Hands were who guided the World Community up to 1963. Understandably I think Americans have issues with authority figures and it will take time to be able to trust.

tonyfish, Lights of Ifran is a Baha'i Scholar's site. Mr Nakhjavani was elected to the first Universal House of Justice and served 40 years. He is still living.

I get a letter or 2 everyday from an older Baha'i and this was in it about 2 days ago. I am so grateful for it..........

04-19-2011, 02:19 PM	#1
cire perdue Senior Member Joined: Sep 2010 From: Louisiana Posts: 1,601	The Ministry of The Universal House of Justice http://irfancolloquia.org/u/nakhjavani_ministry The above link is to the article of that title. It is an extremely informative article. It is one of my favorite things I have ever read. It talks about the formation of the House and a prophecy in Daniel that relates to the formation of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. He mentions that it is likely the Guardian knew of his death. It would have already been obvious to the Guardian that he would have no heir for a number of years. I always have thought that it happened as God wanted it to and left the rest to faith. This is more than enlightening. It reads rather quickly. Don't be discouraged. I do hope for some feedback from others. Cire You may have to copy and paste this.

04-20-2011, 06:36 AM	#4
cire perdue Senior Member Joined: Sep 2010 From: Louisiana Posts: 1,601	I have thought similarly Pollwr, considering that there were contenders to be the new Guardian like Mason Remey, I think that there was lots of free will. I had never seen this, but I had come to believe that things happened the way they were supposed to. This beautiful article confirmed and added to that belief. Due to previous revelations that cannot guide us as this Faith, I think it is a new experience for us to be led by those so firm in the Faith as the Hands were who guided the World Community up to 1963. Understandably I think Americans have issues with authority figures and it will take time to be able to trust. tonyfish, Lights of Ifran is a Baha'i Scholar's site. Mr Nakhjavani was elected to the first Universal House of Justice and served 40 years. He is still living. I get a letter or 2 everyday from an older Baha'i and this was in it about 2 days ago. I am so grateful for it..........

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04-20-2011, 04:35 AM	#3
Pollwr Senior Member Joined: Jun 2009 From: earth Posts: 308	This was interesting. I was introduced to the Faith by an elderly couple who were very loyal to the covenant but had lived through the passing of Shogi Effendi and were expecting a new Guardian to be named and experienced the tests of having to re-examine their expectations when this was not to be the case. Until I read this article I never really got what they had referred to as the Universal House of Justice has always administered the Faith since I have been a Bahá'í and I had always acccepted that. It seemed obvious and right but now I see how it would have challenged those who did not expect there to be a Universal House of Justice so soon. I have a personal thought on this, as well, having read the article but it is just me making sense of what I read. The article suggests that everything happened as expected and that Bahá'u'lláh, Abdúl-Bahá and Shogi Effendi knew what would pan out, despite at times, seeming to allow of other possibilities in what they wrote. I was wondering, could it be, in this Wonderful, perfect, God-Given system, the players were still granted free will, as people are, which is a whole other discussion in general. I am tending to wonder if in making provision for another Guardian or other Guardians, the system Designed for the administration of the Faith would have worked if there was a person or people worthy of the post. Rather than saying: OK, we can see the future, no one beyond Shoghi Effendi will make the right choices so you will have to ellect the Universal House of Justice after he dies, the Heads of the Faith still gave those who would fall short a chance, and no inclination of a lack of faith in their abilities. When, given every chance and encouragment, the possible guardians fell short but there was the back up plan that ensured the smooth running of the Faith - The Universal House of Justice. This seems like an example of not giving those who failed a self-fulfilling prophesy of failure therefore, the failure was theirs alone and not the fault of anyone else. Well, that's just my reflection.