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Old 02-04-2016, 01:35 PM   #1
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prayer and oneself

sometimes when I am feeling really bad, things are going very wrong, I'd like to pray for help, but then I think there's a bunch of people that have it a lot worse than me, and things aren't exactly working out for them, so I should just deal with it so I don't ask for help.

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Old 02-04-2016, 01:39 PM   #2
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sometimes when I am feeling really bad, things are going very wrong, I'd like to pray for help, but then I think there's a bunch of people that have it a lot worse than me, and things aren't exactly working out for them, so I should just deal with it so I don't ask for help.

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The Tablet of Visitation for 'Abdu'l-Bahá works well for me. Next day usually more serene and joyous. Then we have the secret prayer - the one we don't find in the prayer book, and that usually other Bahá'ís etither don't know or don't even think of sharing - the prayer in great peril: "Ya Allah El-Mustagath".

And then, a lot worse or a lot better: what do we know? What is intolerable to one might in fact be "normal" to another. One has to look for one's own normal. Then, the one thing doesn't exclude the other. Praying and acting is a good combination. The fascinating thing is that which is called prayerfulness, when our thoughts somehow are focused on God and His will, even without words. When in that state, I've noticed that things just happen. For example, I wish someone would call me. Then I get a call within a minute. That makes me particularly attentive.

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Old 02-04-2016, 01:59 PM   #3
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One of the things that I love about the Baha'i prayers is that they are usually written not just for the one praying, but for everyone in the Cause. So even when I turn to the prayer book to ask for assistance, I am praying for God to help those in need. If I am worthy to be among those, then I will benefit spiritually from the prayer.
 
Old 02-04-2016, 02:03 PM   #4
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"If I am worthy to be among those" Dangerous thought that one has to fight with. Can do much harm to oneself. Somehow, it can mean "If I am worthy of love and grace". At the same time, I like your thought that one doesn't just pray for oneself, but that the very prayer has an effect on the rest of the word as well.

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P. S. Interesting really how, at the same time, we can be so different and so similar in our basic spiritual needs. That wish not to just engage in one's own spiritual development, but to have a positive impact on the rest of the world. Could that be cultural?

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Old 02-04-2016, 03:04 PM   #5
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"If I am worthy to be among those" Dangerous thought that one has to fight with. Can do much harm to oneself. Somehow, it can mean "If I am worthy of love and grace".
Better I had said, "If I have need." Gives it up to the Almighty, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy, for Him to decide.

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Lauded be Thy Name, O Lord our God! Thou art in truth the Knower of things unseen. Ordain for us such good as Thine all-embracing knowledge can measure. Thou art the sovereign Lord, the Almighty, the Best-Beloved.

All praise be unto Thee, O Lord! We shall seek Thy grace on the appointed Day and shall put our whole reliance in Thee, Who art our Lord. Glorified art Thou, O God! Grant us that which is good and seemly that we may be able to dispense with everything but Thee. Verily, Thou art the Lord of all worlds.

O God! Recompense those who endure patiently in Thy days, and strengthen their hearts to walk undeviatingly in the path of Truth. Grant then, O Lord, such goodly gifts as would enable them to gain admittance into Thy blissful Paradise. Exalted art Thou, O Lord God. Let Thy heavenly blessings descend upon homes whose inmates have believed in Thee. Verily, unsurpassed art Thou in sending down divine blessings. Send forth, O God, such hosts as would render Thy faithful servants victorious. Thou dost fashion the created things through the power of Thy decree as Thou pleasest. Thou art in truth the Sovereign, the Creator, the All-Wise.

Say: God is indeed the Maker of all things. He giveth sustenance in plenty to whomsoever He willeth. He is the Creator, the Source of all beings, the Fashioner, the Almighty, the Maker, the All-Wise. He is the Bearer of the most excellent titles throughout the heavens and the earth and whatever lieth between them. All do His bidding, and 22 all the dwellers of earth and heaven celebrate His praise, and unto Him shall all return.

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Old 02-05-2016, 12:17 AM   #6
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sometimes when I am feeling really bad, things are going very wrong, I'd like to pray for help, but then I think there's a bunch of people that have it a lot worse than me, and things aren't exactly working out for them, so I should just deal with it so I don't ask for help.

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Prayer even if it is The small but powerful Remover of Difficulties, can help as we acknowledge that without God we are prone to be very hard on Ourselves. Not easy when one is down. Also,..........

I would consider the Fire Tablet. It is a powerful read and at the end it tells us to contemplate what it is offering.

Through the whole of the first part you get to ask God some pretty good questions

Then God answered and we get to contemplate how to find true happiness within the turmoil!

Prayers tomorrow morning on the Mountain for you, you are not alone :-) A Fire Tablet on the way!

Regards Tony

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Old 02-05-2016, 12:26 AM   #7
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recently I have reached the conclusion that in all worldly matters God knows what is the best thing for us and He is so veryyyyyyy kind and wise and cannot be separated from His attributes so even if I don't pray , He will give the best, ALWAYS even if it seems what happens is not the best. I have chosen to pray only for spiritual matters although even in those cases God still knows what is the best but this prayers for spiritual matters is a sign of loving God and serving Him in our hearts; so I pray for wisdom, for guidance, for growth and for rays of light of God.
 
Old 02-05-2016, 05:29 AM   #8
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recently I have reached the conclusion that in all worldly matters God knows what is the best thing for us and He is so veryyyyyyy kind and wise and cannot be separated from His attributes so even if I don't pray , He will give the best, ALWAYS even if it seems what happens is not the best. I have chosen to pray only for spiritual matters although even in those cases God still knows what is the best but this prayers for spiritual matters is a sign of loving God and serving Him in our hearts; so I pray for wisdom, for guidance, for growth and for rays of light of God.
Dear Maryamr,
If I'm not mistaken, that's a widespread idea among Muslims. It makes much sense. Praying for specific purposes and outcomes can do much harm, whereas looking for any outcome with a prayerful attitude might reveal solutions one did not even consider. Detachment is the key.

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