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Old 06-13-2016, 05:30 AM   #1
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Why is it Our Purpose to Know God and to Worship Him?

I daily read in the short obligatory prayer that:
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I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and to worship Thee.
Whenever I have brought up the question of worshiping God, I have been told that it would not profit God in the least if I worship him, it is only for my own benefit that I worship God and bow down before His Majesty. I absolutely agree that God is in no need of my worship and prayers. But why has He created me in such a way that I am in need of worshiping Him if I want to succeed?

The question that I had like to ask is: why has God made it that way that it would benefit me if I worship Him and know Him?

This is a question that frequently comes up when I am having a discussion with a non-Baha'i and I never have a truly satisfactory answer.

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Old 06-13-2016, 07:22 AM   #2
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God is unknowable in His essence; there is only one way to know Him in His most perfect Light and that is through knowing His Messenger in each time. so we can change the question to "why do we have to know the messenger of the time?" we have to know Him because it is only by knowing Him and His commands that we can find the best way to live our lives both in its physical and spiritual sense. knowing the Messenger of God for each time which is the same as knowing God in that age means we have the best way to deal with all kinds of problems and also means we have the best and most complete knowledge of human nature. psychology, archaeology, and no other "logy"s can give us perfect answers. the perfect answer for all our problems in in knowing God. so we know God in order to be able to live better and use our capacities as much as possible.
 
Old 06-13-2016, 08:56 AM   #3
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God is unknowable in His essence; there is only one way to know Him in His most perfect Light and that is through knowing His Messenger in each time. so we can change the question to "why do we have to know the messenger of the time?" we have to know Him because it is only by knowing Him and His commands that we can find the best way to live our lives both in its physical and spiritual sense. knowing the Messenger of God for each time which is the same as knowing God in that age means we have the best way to deal with all kinds of problems and also means we have the best and most complete knowledge of human nature. psychology, archaeology, and no other "logy"s can give us perfect answers. the perfect answer for all our problems in in knowing God. so we know God in order to be able to live better and use our capacities as much as possible.
Dear Maryamr,

You have beautifully elucidated the importance and benefits of recognizing God (or the Messenger of time as you have put it), but I looking for something else. The question I am asking is that why has God ordained it that way that it benefits me if I bow before Him? Why has God ordained it in the way that for my personal benefit I have to prostrate before God? Clearly, God does not benefit in the least if I prostrate before Him, but if I do it with true intentions it will benefit me in countless ways. For example it will make my spirit come nearer to God, which is the purpose of life: to come close to God. What I am asking is that why Has God made it that way? Why bow before Him if we want to succeed?

This is question that I have faced often.

Regards
 
Old 06-13-2016, 09:13 AM   #4
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Dear Maryamr,

You have beautifully elucidated the importance and benefits of recognizing God (or the Messenger of time as you have put it), but I looking for something else. The question I am asking is that why has God ordained it that way that it benefits me if I bow before Him? Why has God ordained it in the way that for my personal benefit I have to prostrate before God? Clearly, God does not benefit in the least if I prostrate before Him, but if I do it with true intentions it will benefit me in countless ways. For example it will make my spirit come nearer to God, which is the purpose of life: to come close to God. What I am asking is that why Has God made it that way? Why bow before Him if we want to succeed?

This is question that I have faced often.

Regards
I think because there are only two ways.
Either we bow to our worldly desires, or we bow and obey the Messenger of God. We cannot have it both way. Water and fire do not stay togather.
 
Old 06-13-2016, 09:24 AM   #5
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Dear Arcane,
How is it possible for us to know WHY God does anything...He doeth as He willeth. We only know what we know about God, through his Messengers. God is unknowable, so how can we answer your question? This is the basis of Faith, our hearts recognize the truth and we do not need definitive proofs to accept that truth. It is free will to accept or not what God's Messengers offer us. I do not think you will find an answer to this question.

Loving regards,
Becky
 
Old 06-13-2016, 09:24 AM   #6
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you're welcome dear friend Arcane
bowing in front of God and prostrating in front of Him for us humans means complete submission to His will and His commands. we cannot bow down in front of the world and our worldly desires and expect to reach the Truth. it is only through complete detachment from the world and complete submission and bowing to God (and His messenger) that we can know the truth and benefit ourselves. if you only want to know why "bowing" (as if God is a person) then I should say that bowing is kind of artistic way of talking
 
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We can never know the mind of God therefore the need to know Him and to worship Him should be accepted as His gift to us
 
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God is unknowable in His essence; there is only one way to know Him in His most perfect Light and that is through knowing His Messenger in each time. so we can change the question to "why do we have to know the messenger of the time?" we have to know Him because it is only by knowing Him and His commands that we can find the best way to live our lives both in its physical and spiritual sense. knowing the Messenger of God for each time which is the same as knowing God in that age means we have the best way to deal with all kinds of problems and also means we have the best and most complete knowledge of human nature. psychology, archaeology, and no other "logy"s can give us perfect answers. the perfect answer for all our problems in in knowing God. so we know God in order to be able to live better and use our capacities as much as possible.
There are those among us who show great wisdom, those who guide others to the right path. You are such a one. I am most honored to call you friend. May your life be long and rewarding, may God bless your days.
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:14 PM   #9
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Arcane asked:
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"I daily read in the short obligatory prayer that:

'I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and to worship Thee.'
Whenever I have brought up the question of worshiping God, I have been told that it would not profit God in the least if I worship him, it is only for my own benefit that I worship God and bow down before His Majesty. I absolutely agree that God is in no need of my worship and prayers. But why has He created me in such a way that I am in need of worshiping Him if I want to succeed?

The question that I had like to ask is: why has God made it that way that it would benefit me if I worship Him and know Him?

This is a question that frequently comes up when I am having a discussion with a non-Baha'i and I never have a truly satisfactory answer.

The question that I had like to ask is: why has God made it that way that it would benefit me if I worship Him and know Him?

This is a question that frequently comes up when I am having a discussion with a non-Baha'i and I never have a truly satisfactory answer."
Arcane,

As you continue to seek those answers, consider these words of Baha'u'llah from the Arabic 'Hidden Words':

4. O SON OF MAN!
I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life."

5. O SON OF BEING!
Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.

29. O SON OF BOUNTY!
Out of the wastes of nothingness, with the clay of My command I made thee to appear, and have ordained for thy training every atom in existence and the essence of all created things. Thus, ere thou didst issue from thy mother's womb, I destined for thee two founts of gleaming milk, eyes to watch over thee, and hearts to love thee. Out of My loving-kindness, 'neath the shade of My mercy I nurtured thee, and guarded thee by the essence of My grace and favor. And My purpose in all this was that thou mightest attain My everlasting dominion and become worthy of My invisible bestowals. . . .


LR
 
Old 06-14-2016, 06:44 AM   #10
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There are those among us who show great wisdom, those who guide others to the right path. You are such a one. I am most honored to call you friend. May your life be long and rewarding, may God bless your days.
bill
thanks a million dear Bill
only an awakened soul and a beautiful heart sees people and things as beautiful. I, too, am honored to be friends with such an awakened and beautiful soul as you are May you always live in light and love.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 01:24 AM   #11
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I am thankful to all the dear friends for their insights. May God bless you all!

I have learned two things:

a) We can't understand the mind of God. How can I comprehend with complete certainty as to why God made things the way they are. As we all know, the essence of God is incomprehensible.
b) God is not a person so when we bow and prostrate before God it shouldn't be seen as prostrating in front of a person. God is everywhere. So it but logical to conclude that the prostration is symbolic and signifies (among many things) the absolute submission to the Will of God.
 
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