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Old 07-14-2016, 06:16 AM   #1
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The Promise of a King

Allah'u Abha.


There is a promise that was made to the People of Baha, which is that of a King who shall establish the Cause of God all around the World :

How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My Kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark—the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá. All must glorify his name, must reverence his station, and aid him to unlock the cities with the keys of My Name, the omnipotent Protector of all that inhabit the visible and invisible kingdoms. Such a king is the very eye of mankind, the luminous ornament on the brow of creation, the fountainhead of blessings unto the whole world. Offer up, O people of Bahá, your substance, nay your very lives, for his assistance.

Aqdas 1:84


Is that to say that we must prepare ourselves to the coming of the King ? And that we must be prepared to assist him already ?

And what if that King was not actually a king by the standards of monarchy, but rather a great character ?

Blessings,

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Old 07-14-2016, 08:53 AM   #2
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Yes. In holy books, sometimes king does not mean a worldly king. It denotes spiritual power.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 09:35 AM   #3
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here the spiritual king is meant and the kingship and dominion is also spiritual. Hazrate Bahaullah has clarified the matter (I cannot remember the source) about the kingship of the messengers of God.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 12:41 PM   #4
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here the spiritual king is meant and the kingship and dominion is also spiritual. Hazrate Bahaullah has clarified the matter (I cannot remember the source) about the kingship of the messengers of God.
He isn't talking about a Messenger of God here though, it has to be said.

The other prophecies make it clear that a political leader is indicated - one who will take the throne of, at least, Iran

As Shoghi Effendi explained in "The Promised Day is Come":

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In the Lawh-i-Ra’ís He actually and categorically prophesies the rise of such a king: “Erelong will God raise up from among the kings one who will aid His loved ones. He, verily, encompasseth all things. He will instill in the hearts the love of His loved ones. This, indeed, is irrevocably decreed by One Who is the Almighty, the Beneficent.” In the Ridvánu’l-‘Adl, wherein the virtue of justice is exalted, He makes a parallel prediction: “Erelong will God make manifest on earth kings who will recline on the couches of justice, and will rule amongst men even as they rule their own selves. They, indeed, are among the choicest of My creatures in the entire creation.”

In the Kitáb-i-Aqdas He visualizes in these words the elevation to the throne of His native city, “the Mother of the World” and “the Dayspring of Light,” of a king who will be adorned with the twin ornaments of justice and of devotion to His Faith: “Let nothing grieve thee, O Land of Tá, for God hath chosen thee to be the source of the joy of all mankind. He shall, if it be His will, bless thy throne with one who will rule with justice, who will gather together the flock of God which the wolves have scattered. Such a ruler will, with joy and gladness, turn his face towards and extend his favors unto, the people of Bahá. He indeed is accounted in the sight of God as a jewel among men. Upon him rest forever the glory of God, and the glory of all that dwell in the kingdom of His Revelation.”

So it's an actual political leader being described.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:04 PM   #5
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Bahais believe, in the scriptures, sometimes there are Tests. This Quote can also be a Test. Consider, Baha'llah had stated, one of the signs of Maturity is, no person would be found to become a king.
These Prophecies can be very well, Figurative and may have a spiritual interpretation. Once they are fulfilled we would know for sure. In Bahai Faith, only Abdulbaha was considered infallible interpreter of the verses.
 
Old 07-15-2016, 01:27 AM   #6
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Allah'u Abha.


There is a promise that was made to the People of Baha, which is that of a King who shall establish the Cause of God all around the World :

How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My Kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark—the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá. All must glorify his name, must reverence his station, and aid him to unlock the cities with the keys of My Name, the omnipotent Protector of all that inhabit the visible and invisible kingdoms. Such a king is the very eye of mankind, the luminous ornament on the brow of creation, the fountainhead of blessings unto the whole world. Offer up, O people of Bahá, your substance, nay your very lives, for his assistance.

Aqdas 1:84


Is that to say that we must prepare ourselves to the coming of the King ? And that we must be prepared to assist him already ?

And what if that King was not actually a king by the standards of monarchy, but rather a great character ?

Blessings,

GoaForce


I think this is a reference to kings such as this man:

The Baha

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Old 07-15-2016, 07:58 AM   #7
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I think this is a reference to kings such as this man:

The Baha

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Your right Kam.

Shoghi Effendi, the authorized guardian of the Baha'i Faith, made it categorically clear that Baha'u'llah prophesied the arising of a king from among other world leaders who would take over the government of Iran and devote himself to the Cause - that is the unification of the world through the Lesser Peace and Most Great Peace.

I am somewhat bemused as to why some posters find the plain meaning of these prophecies unpalatable such that they must spiritualise them

If the global federal commonwealth that Shoghi Effendi predicted is to ever come about, your going to eventually need world leaders to support and pursue that goal of world unification.

It's blatantly obvious then that a king after him other kings will need to take the initiative one day. ACTUAL political leaders, not merely metaphorical ones.

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Old 07-15-2016, 11:23 AM   #8
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I am somewhat bemused as to why some posters find the plain meaning of these prophecies unpalatable such that they must spiritualise them
Probably because a lot of prophecies in the past HAVE been spiritually or metaphorically fulfilled.

Me?? I'm just gonna wait and see what happens, ultimately. Regardless of whether a prophecy is fulfilled spiritually or literally, I presume as long as I keep the unfulfilled prophecies in mind and keep an open mind I'll recognize 'em when they happen.

That being said, it is still very fun to read the prophecies and think about how they might be fulfilled one day.
 
Old 07-15-2016, 01:56 PM   #9
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Yeshua wrote in part (post #7):
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I am somewhat bemused as to why some posters find the plain meaning of these prophecies unpalatable such that they must spiritualise them

If the global federal commonwealth that Shoghi Effendi predicted is to ever come about, your going to eventually need world leaders to support and pursue that goal of world unification.

It's blatantly obvious then that a king after him other kings will need to take the initiative one day. ACTUAL political leaders, not merely metaphorical ones.
Yeshua:

Thank you those comments.

It is difficult to even consider that Baha’u’llah was writing metaphorically or as a “test” to the “loved ones and the trustees of God” when He wrote in the Kitab-i-Ahd, His Book of the Covenant, being His Will and Testament (i.e. His parting words), that “Kings are the manifestations of the power, and the daysprings of the might and riches, of God. Pray ye on their behalf. He hath invested them with the rulership of the earth and hath singled out the hearts of men as His Own domain.” If one were to take the metaphorical approach in this case, then why don’t we also argue that Baha’u’llah’s words in that same sacred document stating that “The Will of the divine Testator is this: It is incumbent upon the Aghsán, the Afnán and My Kindred to turn, one and all, their faces towards the Most Mighty Branch. Consider that which We have revealed in Our Most Holy Book: `When the ocean of My presence hath ebbed and the Book of My Revelation is ended, turn your faces toward Him Whom God hath purposed, Who hath branched from this Ancient Root.' The object of this sacred verse is none other except the Most Mighty Branch [`Abdu'l-Bahá]. Thus have We graciously revealed unto you Our potent Will, and I am verily the Gracious, the All-Powerful. Verily God hath ordained the station of the Greater Branch [Muhammad `Alí] to be beneath that of the Most Great Branch [`Abdu'l-Bahá]. He is in truth the Ordainer, the All-Wise. We have chosen `the Greater' after `the Most Great', as decreed by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Informed” are metaphorical as well?

The “beloved of the Lord” also have direction from ‘Abdu’l-Baha’s Will and Testament (i.e. His parting words) that “It is incumbent upon you to be submissive to all monarchs that are just and to show your fidelity to every righteous king. Serve ye the sovereigns of the world with utmost truthfulness and loyalty. Show obedience unto them and be their well-wishers. Without their leave and permission do not meddle with political affairs, for disloyalty to the just sovereign is disloyalty to God Himself.”

In His Will and Testament, ‘Abdul-Baha also appointed Shoghi Effendi as the “mubayyin ayat alláh”, referring to one who makes things clear. Shoghi Effendi translated this phrase as “Expounder of the words of God” and “Interpreter of the Word of God”. Given this, in those places where Shoghi Effendi provides explanations related to “kings” and “kingship” it is very unlikely that he who was appointed to make things clear would have been speaking metaphorically or placing a test before the believers. To reinforce my comments, Shoghi Effendi refers in his ‘The Dispensation of Baha’u’llah’ treatise to the “fact” that “the Guardian has been specifically endowed with such power as he may need to reveal the purport and disclose the implications of the utterances of Bahá’u’lláh and of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá . . . “ As the Expounder/Interpreter, the Guardian does not provide prophecy; he explains the Prophecies. We should place value in what Shoghi Effendi clearly wrote about Kings, Kingship, and other topics. We should also recall that when he didn’t have an answer to a specific question or topic, he clearly said so.

Thank you all for the comments, and for the opportunity to comment.

- LR

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Old 07-17-2016, 05:44 AM   #10
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In Shoghi Effendi’s letter, ‘The Promised Day is Come’, he expounds upon the "principle of kingship” making it clear what Baha’u’llah’s intent about this "institution of kingship" was as it relates to the evolution of the Faith, past and future"

“Let none, however, mistake or unwittingly misrepresent the purpose of Bahá'u'lláh. Severe as has been His condemnation pronounced against those sovereigns who persecuted Him, and however strict the censure expressed collectively against those who failed signally in their clear duty to investigate the truth of His Faith and to restrain the hand of the wrongdoer, His teachings embody no principle that can, in any way, be construed as a repudiation, or even a disparagement, however veiled, of the institution of kingship. The catastrophic fall, and the extinction of the dynasties and empires of those monarchs whose disastrous end He particularly prophesied, and the declining fortunes of the sovereigns of His Own generation, whom He generally reproved--both constituting a passing phase of the evolution of the Faith--should, in no wise, be confounded with the future position of that institution. Indeed if we delve into the writings of the Author of the Bahá'í Faith, we cannot fail to discover unnumbered passages in which, in terms that none can misrepresent, the principle of kingship is eulogized, the rank and conduct of just and fair-minded kings is extolled, the rise of monarchs, ruling with justice and even professing His Faith, is envisaged, and the solemn duty to arise and ensure the triumph of Bahá'í sovereigns is inculcated. To conclude from the above quoted words, addressed by Bahá'u'lláh to the monarchs of the earth, to infer from the recital of the woeful disasters that have overtaken so many of them, that His followers either advocate or anticipate the definite extinction of the institution of kingship, would indeed be tantamount to a distortion of His teaching.

I can do no better than quote some of Bahá'u'lláh's Own testimonies, leaving the reader to shape his own judgment as to the falsity of such a deduction. . . . “
(see ‘The Promised Day is Come', pp. 71-74).

-LR
 
Old 07-17-2016, 09:30 AM   #11
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He isn't talking about a Messenger of God here though, it has to be said.

The other prophecies make it clear that a political leader is indicated - one who will take the throne of, at least, Iran

As Shoghi Effendi explained in "The Promised Day is Come":




So it's an actual political leader being described.
The Term king, may actually a reference to the next Manifestation of God. Remember, Messiah in Jewish Bible mean anoited king. This caused many Jews to think, Messiah is a political leader, though when Jesus appeared, He was a Manifestation of God, not a political leader.
Bahaullah in Iqan taught, the purpose of God in using symbolic language is to Test the Hearts of the people of the world.
If the promised king is also, the Next Manifestation Overshadowed with symbolic language, Shoghi Effendi also would not reveal its Figurative interpretation, so, those people may be Tested.
 
Old 07-17-2016, 11:26 AM   #12
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In reading the excerpt from Shoghi Effendi's letter, 'The Promised Day is Come', offered in post #10, consider that he (as the appointed Interpreter) when referring to “the future position of that institution” (kingship), does not capitalize the words/titles “institution”, "kingship", “monarchs” and “kings”, which clarifies that it was not Baha’u’llah’s intent that these future monarchs referred to by Baha’u’llah were of the same station as the next Manifestation of God.

Shoghi Effendi does clearly explain though that it “is envisaged” that the rise of these monarchs, who will rule with justice, may accept and profess Baha’u’llah’s Faith.

-LR
 
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