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Old 09-17-2016, 01:07 AM   #1
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Today someone asked me a question about the "Tafseer Surah Alkosar" (explanation of Surah Al-Kosar) by Bab. the book is in Arabic language and since now I had not been able to find a translated copy of it. anyway, in a part of the book Bab said something which I will translate here in English:

"Verily, God destined for His Messenger (Qaim) a very long life, and He knew that people would fail to believe in such a strange thing. So He gave Khizr (a lesser manifestation) a very long life as well so that by reading the story of Khizr people would stop questioning the long life of Qaim."

and again in a book named "Asrar Al-asar" written by Fazel Mazandarani (which is a very well know and broadly used book used by Bahais to find references in Persian of different topics) it is said that in Tafseer Surah Al-kosar Bab said this:

Know that verily there are two absences for Qaim..... the shorter one (Qeybat Soghra) lasts for 74 years and a few days during which four people (Navvabe Arbae) would have access to him.(he mentions the names of those four people- they are also mentioned in Islam and are believed by Shias)

now I didnt have an answer to give to the person who asked me the question! and when I wanted to search more about the matter I came upon yet another sentence:

"Bab intended Mohammed Ibnil Hasan as "One Whom Allah will Manifest" In atleast 4 books, he has clearly mentioned the name of the 12th Imam as Mohammed Ibnil Hasan, along with his names, titles and agnomen. In the book of Tafseere' Surah Kausar, the Bab acknowledges the long life of the Mahdi along with his 2 occultations et all."

and this made the matter even more blurry to me.
can anyone please give me an explanation about these sayings in Tafseer Surah Al-kosar by Bab?
 
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Old 09-17-2016, 02:53 AM   #2
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Allah'u'abha Maryamr, hope you are well and happy.

Sorry, have not seen those works to date. Hope someone can help you with this.

The Faith is producing much fruit around the world, the world now changing more rapidly with each day!

Regards Tony
 
Old 09-17-2016, 06:15 AM   #3
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Maryam,

I don't have any definite answer to the question, but I have some thoughts about it.

As we know, in the Torah, it is said that ancient people from Adam to Noah had a very long life, of over 900 years. Baha'is and Muslims recognize most of those mentioned as Prophets, although Jews and Christians don't recognize them as Prophets, but call them Patriarchs. After Noah, The Torah says the length of life decreased, so that Abraham lived "only" 175 years, and then by the time of Moses, they lived only 75 or 80 years, which is what we recognize as typical lifespan today.

In terms of scientific evidence, archaeologists have never found any ancient bones that indicate a life span of more than 70 or 80 years, most were a lot younger than that. If literally most people before Noah lived over 900 years then they should have been able to find evidence of that. People who take the Biblical accounts literally say that Noah's flood erased evidence of most of the past, but then the geological record is clear that a literal worldwide flood did not occur either, it must be interpreted symbolically.

The alternative interpretation is that Adam and Noah and some of the others were Prophets, and the length of their dispensation was over 900 years until the next Prophet came. That may be what the Bab was indicating when He said that the Qaim would have an unusual lifespan. According to Shoghi Effendi, the Bab and Baha'u'llah began a new prophetic cycle that would last 500,000 years. There will be a new Manifestation in 1000 years, and many more will come after that, but each new religions will be considered part of the Baha'i prophetic cycle. That will indeed be a very unusual lifespan for Manifestations of the Bab and Baha'u'llah.
 
Old 09-17-2016, 07:08 AM   #4
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that was a VERY nice thought JCC; excellent. thank you so much.
 
Old 09-17-2016, 07:39 AM   #5
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Today someone asked me a question about the "Tafseer Surah Alkosar" (explanation of Surah Al-Kosar) by Bab. the book is in Arabic language and since now I had not been able to find a translated copy of it. anyway, in a part of the book Bab said something which I will translate here in English:

"Verily, God destined for His Messenger (Qaim) a very long life, and He knew that people would fail to believe in such a strange thing. So He gave Khizr (a lesser manifestation) a very long life as well so that by reading the story of Khizr people would stop questioning the long life of Qaim."

and again in a book named "Asrar Al-asar" written by Fazel Mazandarani (which is a very well know and broadly used book used by Bahais to find references in Persian of different topics) it is said that in Tafseer Surah Al-kosar Bab said this:

Know that verily there are two absences for Qaim..... the shorter one (Qeybat Soghra) lasts for 74 years and a few days during which four people (Navvabe Arbae) would have access to him.(he mentions the names of those four people- they are also mentioned in Islam and are believed by Shias)

now I didnt have an answer to give to the person who asked me the question! and when I wanted to search more about the matter I came upon yet another sentence:

"Bab intended Mohammed Ibnil Hasan as "One Whom Allah will Manifest" In atleast 4 books, he has clearly mentioned the name of the 12th Imam as Mohammed Ibnil Hasan, along with his names, titles and agnomen. In the book of Tafseere' Surah Kausar, the Bab acknowledges the long life of the Mahdi along with his 2 occultations et all."

and this made the matter even more blurry to me.
can anyone please give me an explanation about these sayings in Tafseer Surah Al-kosar by Bab?
My thought is, there are two kinds of verses.

Those that are revealed to guide, and those that are revealed to misguide. God misleads the people who do not know.

Those verses that says Qaim has a long life, or Noah or khisra had long life, are the verses that God misleads with them. That is how God separates the people of Reality from the People of Falsehood.

Bahaullah in Iqan wrote, the purpose of all symbolic verses, and difficult allusions that are revealed from the Prophets of God, is to Separate the pure heart from the rest.
This is not something new that Bahai Faith teaches though. For instence in the Writings of Imams also, we find same thing. They have said, in our Hadithes, there are Mutishabihat too. If anyone follows them, they get mislead. You need to reject them.

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