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Old 11-08-2016, 03:17 AM   #1
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I have a question regarding this part in John's Revelations in which it says:

"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. (Revelation 11:3-4)"

now I have heard that Bahais (even our friends here) say this:
1260 AH=1st Badee

I have seen that shirt with these numbers on it as well. but my question is:
in the revelation there is no talk of "the year 1260", rather it says the two men will prophecy "FOR" 1260 years. how have you concluded that "for the duration of 1260 years" is the same as "the year 1260"?! (rest aside the matter of the meaning of "day" being "year" by God because it is not applicable in this case. even if it means year, again the part means for 1260 years not the year 1260)
 
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:19 AM   #2
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You're reminding me that I've been meaning to re-read Revelation for a long while now... I haven't done so since before discovering the Baha'i Faith.

Time to analyze some Scripture!! Huzzah!!

Alright, so first is the entire description of the two prophets in revelation:

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I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." They are "the two olive trees" and the two lampstands, and "they stand before the Lord of the earth." If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city--which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt--where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth. But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Well that's a lot to take in.

First, picking out 11:3, the mention of 1,260 days, I see in the alternate translations of the verse enough variations to make me question. But digging down to my preferred translation, Young's Literal, the verse appears to read "and I will give to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy days, a thousand, two hundred, sixty, arrayed with sackcloth;" which reads that yes, it appears that the two must prophesy for 1260 days, not after it. So the Bab and Baha'u'llah, in my own opinion, would be out.

Additionally, it's of note that in "They will trample on the holy city for 42 months", 42 months equates to 1,260 days. And with common Baha'i biblical interpretation, days are years. So we have a period of 1,260 years in which two people's dispensation is the Word of God, and it is a period where the Gentiles control Jerusalem.

With this in mind, I'd guess based on the above the witnesses are Muhammad and Ali, not the Bab and Baha'u'llah, and the passage refers to the Muhammadan Dispensation.

Gentiles controlled Jerusalem during that time, which is slightly debatable. The Jews DID have some control over Jerusalem during a small portion of that time, but they were vassals of the Zoroastrian Sassanian Empire, so ultimately even then Jerusalem was under Gentile control.

So I'd say the two witnesses are Muhammad and Ali, the 1,260 days are the years 622 CE-1844 CE.

Let's see if the rest of the description of the witnesses fits the theory.

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They are "the two olive trees" and the two lampstands, and "they stand before the Lord of the earth."
Muhammad was a prophet, Ali was a Wali, both could be called thus "lampstands" reflecting God's light. This checks out.

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If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
Together, they stood against many foes and tyrants and overpowered all who tried to forcibly stop their message. This checks out as well.

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Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
And when they finished giving their testimony, Ali was poisoned to death, and the rightful line of Islamic leadership was put to an end by the Umayyads taking over. This thus checks out, and it seems like the Umayyads are the beast.

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Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city--which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt--where also their Lord was crucified.
Could easily be a figurative reference to the Umayyads desecrating and perverting the Caliphate.

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For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
Hmmm. I'm at a loss here. Three and a half days would equate to three and a half years, but I can't see how that lines up with early Islamic history at this time.

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But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
So for my theory to work, I need a period of 3.5 years somewhere after the death of Ali where things are in a state of desecration ending with redemption. I'll get digging.

Now to check my answer on Abdu'l-Baha's in Some Answered Questions. It looks like my guess is correct!! According to Abdu'l-Baha "These two witnesses are Muḥammad the Messenger of God, and ‘Alí, son of Abú Tálib."

So maybe he can fit in how the rest of the prophecy fits where my interpretation starts losing its way.

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In the Qur’án it is said that God addressed Muḥammad, the Messenger of God, saying: “We made You a Witness, a Herald of good news, and a Warner”—that is to say, We have established Thee as the witness, the giver of good tidings, and as One bringing the wrath of God. The meaning of “a witness” is one by whose testimony things may be verified. The commands of these two witnesses were to be performed for twelve hundred and sixty days, each day signifying a year. Now, Muḥammad was the root, and ‘Alí the branch, like Moses and Joshua. It is said they “are clothed in sackcloth,” meaning that they, apparently, were to be clothed in old raiment, not in new raiment; in other words, in the beginning they would possess no splendor in the eyes of the people, nor would their Cause appear new; for Muḥammad’s spiritual Law corresponds to that of Christ in the Gospel, and most of His laws relating to material things correspond to those of the Pentateuch. This is the meaning of the old raiment.
Then it is said: “These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” These two souls are likened to olive trees because at that time all lamps were lighted by olive oil. The meaning is two persons from whom that spirit of the wisdom of God, which is the cause of the illumination of the world, appears. These lights of God were to radiate and shine; therefore, they are likened to two candlesticks: the candlestick is the abode of the light, and from it the light shines forth. In the same way the light of guidance would shine and radiate from these illumined souls.
Then it is said: “They are standing before God,” meaning that they are standing in the service of God, and educating the creatures of God, such as the barbarous nomad Arab tribes of the Arabian peninsula, whom they educated in such a way that in those days they reached the highest degree of civilization, and their fame and renown became worldwide.
“And if any man would hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies.” That is to say, that no one would be able to withstand them, that if a person wished to belittle their teachings and their law, he would be surrounded and exterminated by this same law which proceedeth out of their mouth; and everyone who attempted to injure, to antagonize and to hate them would be destroyed by a command which would come out of their mouth. And thus it happened: all their enemies were vanquished, put to flight and annihilated. In this most evident way God assisted them.
Afterward it is said: “These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy,” meaning that in that cycle they would be like kings. The law and teachings of Muḥammad, and the explanations and commentaries of ‘Alí, are a heavenly bounty; if they wish to give this bounty, they have power to do so. If they do not wish it, the rain will not fall: in this connection rain stands for bounty.
Then it is said: “They have power over water to turn it to blood,” meaning that the prophethood of Muḥammad was the same as that of Moses, and that the power of ‘Alí was the same as that of Joshua: if they wished, they could turn the water of the Nile into blood, so far as the Egyptians and those who denied them were concerned—that is to say, that that which was the cause of their life, through their ignorance and pride, became the cause of their death. So the kingdom, wealth and power of Pharaoh and his people, which were the causes of the life of the nation, became, through their opposition, denial and pride, the cause of death, destruction, dispersion, degradation and poverty. Hence these two witnesses have power to destroy the nations.
Then it is said: “And smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will,” meaning that they also would have the power and the material force necessary to educate the wicked and those who are oppressors and tyrants, for to these two witnesses God granted both outward and inward power, that they might educate and correct the ferocious, bloodthirsty, tyrannical nomad Arabs, who were like beasts of prey.
“And when they shall have finished their testimony” means when they should have performed that which they are commanded, and should have delivered the divine message, promoting the Law of God and propagating the heavenly teachings, to the intent that the signs of spiritual life might be manifest in souls, and the light of the virtues of the world of humanity might shine forth, until complete development should be brought about among the nomad tribes.
“The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them”: this beast means the Umayyads who attacked them from the pit of error, and who rose against the religion of Muḥammad and against the reality of ‘Alí—in other words, the love of God.
It is said, “The beast made war against these two witnesses” —that is to say, a spiritual war, meaning that the beast would act in entire opposition to the teachings, customs and institutions of these two witnesses, to such an extent that the virtues and perfections which were diffused by the power of those two witnesses among the peoples and tribes would be entirely dispelled, and the animal nature and carnal desires would conquer. Therefore, this beast making war against them would gain the victory—meaning that the darkness of error coming from this beast was to have ascendency over the horizons of the world, and kill those two witnesses—in other words, that it would destroy the spiritual life which they spread abroad in the midst of the nation, and entirely remove the divine laws and teachings, treading under foot the Religion of God. Nothing would thereafter remain but a lifeless body without spirit.
“And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” “Their bodies” means the Religion of God, and “the street” means in public view. The meaning of “Sodom and Egypt,” the place “where also our Lord was crucified,” is this region of Syria, and especially Jerusalem, where the Umayyads then had their dominions; and it was here that the Religion of God and the divine teachings first disappeared, and a body without spirit remained. “Their bodies” represents the Religion of God, which remained like a dead body without spirit.
“And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.”
As it was before explained, in the terminology of the Holy Books three days and a half signify three years and a half, and three years and a half are forty and two months, and forty and two months twelve hundred and sixty days; and as each day by the text of the Holy Book signifies one year, the meaning is that for twelve hundred and sixty years, which is the cycle of the Qur’án, the nations, tribes and peoples would look at their bodies—that is to say, that they would make a spectacle of the Religion of God: though they would not act in accordance with it, still, they would not suffer their bodies—meaning the Religion of God—to be put in the grave. That is to say, that in appearance they would cling to the Religion of God and not allow it to completely disappear from their midst, nor the body of it to be entirely destroyed and annihilated. Nay, in reality they would leave it, while outwardly preserving its name and remembrance.
Those “kindreds, people and nations” signify those who are gathered under the shadow of the Qur’án, not permitting the Cause and Law of God to be, in outward appearance, entirely destroyed and annihilated—for there are prayer and fasting among them—but the fundamental principles of the Religion of God, which are morals and conduct, with the knowledge of divine mysteries, have disappeared; the light of the virtues of the world of humanity, which is the result of the love and knowledge of God, is extinguished; and the darkness of tyranny, oppression, satanic passions and desires has become victorious. The body of the Law of God, like a corpse, has been exposed to public view for twelve hundred and sixty days, each day being counted as a year, and this period is the cycle of Muḥammad.
The people forfeited all that these two persons had established, which was the foundation of the Law of God, and destroyed the virtues of the world of humanity, which are the divine gifts and the spirit of this religion, to such a degree that truthfulness, justice, love, union, purity, sanctity, detachment and all the divine qualities departed from among them. In the religion only prayers and fasting persisted; this condition lasted for twelve hundred and sixty years, which is the duration of the cycle of the Furqán. It was as if these two persons were dead, and their bodies were remaining without spirit.
“And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.” “Those who dwelt upon the earth” means the other nations and races, such as the peoples of Europe and distant Asia, who, when they saw that the character of Islám was entirely changed, the Law of God forsaken—that virtues, zeal and honor had departed from among them, and that their qualities were changed—became happy, and rejoiced that corruption of morals had infected the people of Islám, and that they would in consequence be overcome by other nations. So this thing has come to pass. Witness this people which had attained the summit of power, how degraded and downtrodden it is now.
The other nations “shall send gifts to one another,” meaning that they should help each other, for “these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth”—that is, they overcame the other nations and peoples of the world and conquered them.
“And after three days and a half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that saw them. Three days and a half, as we before explained, is twelve hundred and sixty years. Those two persons whose bodies were lying spiritless are the teachings and the law that Muḥammad established and ‘Alí promoted, from which, however, the reality had departed and only the form remained. The spirit came again into them means that those foundations and teachings were again established. In other words, the spirituality of the Religion of God had been changed into materiality, and virtues into vices; the love of God had been changed into hatred, enlightenment into darkness, divine qualities into satanic ones, justice into tyranny, mercy into enmity, sincerity into hypocrisy, guidance into error, and purity into sensuality. Then after three days and a half, which by the terminology of the Holy Books is twelve hundred and sixty years, these divine teachings, heavenly virtues, perfections and spiritual bounties were again renewed by the appearance of the Báb and the devotion of Jináb-i-Quddús.
The holy breezes were diffused, the light of truth shone forth, the season of the life-giving spring came, and the morn of guidance dawned. These two lifeless bodies again 55 became living, and these two great ones—one the Founder and the other the promoter—arose and were like two candlesticks, for they illumined the world with the light of truth.
“And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven,” meaning that from the invisible heaven they heard the voice of God, saying: You have performed all that was proper and fitting in delivering the teachings and glad tidings; you have given My message to the people and raised the call of God, and have accomplished your duty. Now, like Christ, you must sacrifice your life for the Well-Beloved, and be martyrs. And that Sun of Reality, and that Moon of Guidance, both, like Christ, set on the horizon of the greatest martyrdom and ascended to the Kingdom of God.
“And their enemies beheld them,” meaning that many of their enemies, after witnessing their martyrdom, realized the sublimity of their station and the exaltation of their virtue, and testified to their greatness and perfection.
“And the same hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand.”
This earthquake occurred in Shíráz after the martyrdom of the Báb. The city was in a turmoil, and many people were destroyed. Great agitation also took place through diseases, cholera, dearth, scarcity, famine and afflictions, the like of which had never been known.
“And the remnant was affrighted and gave glory to the God of heaven.”
When the earthquake took place in Fárs, all the remnant lamented and cried day and night, and were occupied in glorifying and praying to God. They were so troubled and affrighted that they had no sleep nor rest at night.
“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muḥammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.”
Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.
So ultimately my interpretation attempt was fun, but Abdu'l-Baha does it much better.
 
Old 11-08-2016, 07:56 AM   #3
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thanks a million Becky

so my mistake was that I thought the two Men wearing sackcloth are Bab and Baha'ullah. but now you made it clear to me that They are Mohammad and Ali. well done. and thanks a lot for giving me the part in some answered questions. really a very good and complete answer.
 
Old 11-08-2016, 01:24 PM   #5
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I have a question regarding this part in John's Revelations in which it says:

"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. (Revelation 11:3-4)"

now I have heard that Bahais (even our friends here) say this:
1260 AH=1st Badee

I have seen that shirt with these numbers on it as well. but my question is:
in the revelation there is no talk of "the year 1260", rather it says the two men will prophecy "FOR" 1260 years. how have you concluded that "for the duration of 1260 years" is the same as "the year 1260"?! (rest aside the matter of the meaning of "day" being "year" by God because it is not applicable in this case. even if it means year, again the part means for 1260 years not the year 1260)
Commentary alongside the Douay Rhemes Bible translation states that this passage refers to Henoch and Elias (Enoch and Elijah)
 
Old 11-08-2016, 09:53 PM   #6
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Abdul'baha spent time explaining Daniel and Revelation as there is no greater proof from any Holy book as to the time of the appearance of Gods Messenger.

Dale has spent a couple of years spreading this message on a large scale -

https://m.facebook.com/groups/172257...?ref=bookmarks

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Old 11-09-2016, 01:35 AM   #7
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thank you everyone here
after reading the Some Answered Questions by Abdul Baha I now know the answer
thanks again
 
Old 11-09-2016, 01:39 AM   #8
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thank you everyone here
after reading the Some Answered Questions by Abdul Baha I now know the answer
thanks again
Way to go Maryamr, well done

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1260 ah = 1844 ad = one be

Allah'u'Abha Maryamr, Tony, and everybody. Haven't been here for awhile.

Always best to start with Some Answered Questions, Chapters 10, 11, 12, 13

"Day" as a measurement of time. A unit of time. A symbol which has an assigned meaning and duration.

If I hold up my finger and tell you it means "one", we have assigned meaning to a finger. It now symbolizes something other than itself. One finger is one cow, for example. It can also mean one hundred cattle, depending upon the meaning assigned to it in another circumstance.

Likewise, "one day" can mean a span of time, such as 24 hours. Or, it can mean a year, composed of 360 days, or perhaps 365 days, composed of 24 hours. Its meaning changes from a 24 hour span of time to a year of 360 days, but it is still a measurement of time.

Ezekial chapter 4 verses 5 and 6 establish "each day for a year"
. . "and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days; I have appointed thee each day for a year."

Ezekial had "Numerous" visions of Baha'u'llah.
The first set of references to the "Glory of God" (or Glory of the Lord)
will be followed by a second set of references substituting the Arabic: "Baha'u'llah" for "Glory of God" (Glory of the Lord)

Ezekiel 1:28 "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of the rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the Glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I feel upon my face, and I heard a voice of One that spoke."

Ezekiel 3:12 "Then the spirit took me up and I heard behind me a voice of a great rushing, saying: Blessed is the Glory of the Lord from His place."

Ezekiel 3:23 "Then I arose and went into the plain: and behold, the Glory of the Lord stood there, as the Glory which I saw by the River Chebar, and I fell upon my face."

Ezekiel 9:3 "And the Glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon He was, to the threshold of the House. And He called to the man clothed in linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side."

Ezekiel 10:4 "Then the Glory of the Lord went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the House; and the House was filled with the cloud, and the Court was filled with the Lord's Glory."

Ezekiel 10:18 & 19 "Then the Glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the House, and stood over the cherubims. And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight; when they went out, the wheels were beside them, and everyone stood at the Door of the east Gate of the Lord's House; and the Glory of the God of Israel was over them."

Ezekiel 11:22 & 23 "Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the Glory of the God of Israel was over the above. . And the Glory of the Lord went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city."

Ezekiel 43:2 "And behold, the Glory of the God of Israel came by way of the east; and His voice was like a noise of many waters; and the earth shined with His Glory."

Ezekiel 43:4 & 5 "And the Glory of the Lord came into House by way of the Gate, whose prospect is toward the East. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and behold the Glory of the Lord filled the House."

Ezekiel 44:4 “Then brought he me by way of the north Gate before the House; and I looked and, behold, the Glory of the Lord filled the House of the Lord, and I fell upon my face.”

............ Now whatever conclusions we draw from this, in our translation into Arabic, the insertion of the phrase: "Baha'u'llah", meaning the Glory of the Lord, or the Glory of God, the text now reads like this:


Ezekiel 1:28 "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of the rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of Baha'u'llah. And when I saw it, I feel upon my face, and I heard a voice of One that spoke."

Ezekiel 3:12 "Then the spirit took me up and I heard behind me a voice of a great rushing, saying: Blessed is Baha'u'llah from His place."

Ezekiel 3:23 "Then I arose and went into the plain: and behold, Baha'u'llah stood there, as the Glory which I saw by the River Chebar, and I fell upon my face."

Ezekiel 9:3 "And Baha'u'llah of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon He was, to the threshold of the House. And He called to the man clothed in linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side."

Ezekiel 10:4 "Then Baha'u'llah went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the House; and the House was filled with the cloud, and the Court was filled with the Lord's Glory."

Ezekiel 10:18 & 19 "Then Baha'u'llah departed from off the threshold of the House, and stood over the cherubims. And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight; when they went out, the wheels were beside them, and everyone stood at the Door of the east Gate of the Lord's House; and Baha'u'llah of Israel was over them."

Ezekiel 11:22 & 23 "Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and Baha'u'llah of Israel was over the above. . And Baha'u'llah went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city."

Ezekiel 43:2 "And behold, Baha'u'llah of Israel came by way of the east; and His voice was like a noise of many waters; and the earth shined with His Glory."

Ezekiel 43:4 & 5 "And Baha'u'llah came into House by way of the Gate, whose prospect is toward the East. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and behold the Glory of the Lord filled the House."

Ezekiel 44:4 “Then brought he me by way of the north Gate before the House; and I looked and, behold, Baha'u'llah filled the House of the Lord, and I fell upon my face.”

.................

. In the context of the above visions of the Prophet Ezekiel, about the "appearance of the Glory of the Lord, and when he heard Him speak; of where the Glory of the Lord "stood" there; and the Glory of the Lord called to the man in linen, etc. This is fascinating to me, that He appeared to Ezekiel in these visions, and stood there, and spoke. For it appears to me that the Glory of the Lord, the Glory of God, takes on human form, appearing to Ezekiel, standing, entering, and speaking.

. As I understand it, there are about 10 million Arabic speaking Christians in the Middle East, perhaps more elsewhere, but I don't know the numbers. In their language, the Name of God is Allah, similar to Elah, El, Elohim, etc, and of course they are speaking in the same language most Muslims in that part of the world speak, that being Arabic. All these souls call upon God in their own language, in this case Allah.

. In Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus, the word for God is Elaha, or Alaha. Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic Faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word Allah to mean God. The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for God than Allah.

. There are various Arabic words for Glory (also Brilliance, Magnificence, Splendor}. Thus, the meaning of the Arabic word, "Baha", and the phrase: "Glory of God", or "Glory of the Lord:, is Baha'u'llah.

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Allah'u'Abha Maryamr, Tony, and everybody. Haven't been here for awhile.

Always best to start with Some Answered Questions, Chapters 10, 11, 12, 13

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thank you SO MUCH Dale for the time you put on giving me this complete answer. thank you
 
Old 02-17-2017, 07:55 AM   #11
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1260 ah = 1844 ad = one be

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thank you SO MUCH Dale for the time you put on giving me this complete answer. thank you
Dear Maryamr,
. How is our sister in Iran doing these days? I keep reading of Baha'is being thrown into prison, right and left, or kicked out of University by the hundreds, and scores of businesses closed, and the occassional murder of the blessed ones, and I pray for your safety.

. Yes, it seems that while e=mc2 is the formula the current regime in Iran is most fascinated by, they have collectively overlooked the significance of:
1260 AH = 1844 AD = ONE BE

. Ohhhhh... how the world will change when the Badi Calendar is as commonly used as the Christian and Islamic Calendars. And it will be, in time, times, and a half...

. or as "the Bob" Dylan wrote: "For the times, they are a changin' "
 
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Dear Maryamr,
. How is our sister in Iran doing these days? I keep reading of Baha'is being thrown into prison, right and left, or kicked out of University by the hundreds, and scores of businesses closed, and the occassional murder of the blessed ones, and I pray for your safety.

. Yes, it seems that while e=mc2 is the formula the current regime in Iran is most fascinated by, they have collectively overlooked the significance of:
1260 AH = 1844 AD = ONE BE

. Ohhhhh... how the world will change when the Badi Calendar is as commonly used as the Christian and Islamic Calendars. And it will be, in time, times, and a half...

. or as "the Bob" Dylan wrote: "For the times, they are a changin' "
I suppose there will come a time, only the Badi Calander will be used.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:08 PM   #13
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Dear Maryamr,
. How is our sister in Iran doing these days? I keep reading of Baha'is being thrown into prison, right and left, or kicked out of University by the hundreds, and scores of businesses closed, and the occassional murder of the blessed ones, and I pray for your safety.

. Yes, it seems that while e=mc2 is the formula the current regime in Iran is most fascinated by, they have collectively overlooked the significance of:
1260 AH = 1844 AD = ONE BE

. Ohhhhh... how the world will change when the Badi Calendar is as commonly used as the Christian and Islamic Calendars. And it will be, in time, times, and a half...

. or as "the Bob" Dylan wrote: "For the times, they are a changin' "
yes, that'll be great when that time comes. but i am afraid it won't come soon! and by the way, thank for your concern about Iranian Baha'is. I wish everyone a nice fasting month this year. I am so happy we are reaching that month again
 
Old 02-25-2017, 04:06 PM   #14
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yes, that'll be great when that time comes. but i am afraid it won't come soon! and by the way, thank for your concern about Iranian Baha'is. I wish everyone a nice fasting month this year. I am so happy we are reaching that month again
Maryamr - A yet to be completed project on 1260AH



Regards Tony
 
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Tony, do you know who prepared the chart?
 
Old 02-26-2017, 12:22 PM   #16
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Tony, do you know who prepared the chart?
No I do not, there was a few links leading to different sites, from 35 AD top left hand side this remains the same. The middle section had refernces to Popes to which I slotted in known Baha'i explanations. It you look up images for Daniel 2520 Prophecy Chart you will find the unedited version.

Wow, since I started there is so much to be shown 😃

Sorry off to work and very busy.

Be well be happy regards Tony
 
Old 02-26-2017, 10:34 PM   #17
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Seven Times prophecy

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Maryamr - A yet to be completed project on 1260AH



Regards Tony
Some people question the "Seven Times" prophecy, but it makes sense to me in this simple way, like a countdown to lift-off. 10, 9, 8, etc
. That is, 2, 1, 0 ... That is, 7 times, 3 1/2 times, 0

. With all the "7"s in the Old Testament, God was drilling the number 7 into the heads of the Jewish people. In Leviticus: "I will punish you 7 times", etc...
With the evil Manassas came the return to idol worship, and he was haulded off to Babylon in the year 677 BC, which was 2520 (7 x 360) years before 1844.
. We know that the 1260 (7 x 3.5 times) ended in 1844, and that the Muslim Calendar year 1260 AH is 1844 AD which is ONE BE. Close enough for me.
. So at the "End of time", there is a new beginning of time. Thus, the Badi Calendar begins a whole new ballgame.

Ya Sahib'u'Zaman!!!
 
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