Bahai Forums

Go Back   Baha'i Forums > Baha'i Forums > Baha'i Beliefs

Baha'i Beliefs Baha'i Beliefs - Unity of God, the Unity of Religion, and the Unity of Humanity


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-04-2017, 09:37 AM   #1
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2011
From: In the mountains of Oregon
Posts: 34
Accept It Or Reject It

Will people accept what Jesus accomplished or will people reject it? God purchased the human race out of sins dominion never to be returned to the market place of sin again. God effectively canceled Satan’s ownership of all the human race. Satan can lay claim to no person based on their sinfulness. Does that mean the entire world is saved? No. A person has to have an individual change of status and that take place when they accept what the son did for them. Throughout the ages, God in his sovereignty, has chosen to recognize as being righteous those who would simply take him at his Word. In Romans 3:24 to be justified is to be recognized as being right. It’s a judicial decree of rightness. God recognizes those who take him at his Word concerning the price Jesus became on the tree of crucifixion on their behalf to resolve God’s justice for their sins. A judicial decree of righteousness. It doesn’t go away. It doesn’t abate over time. It’s their’s forever. 


Understanding peace with God comes from understanding the accomplishment of Jesus, but letting the peace of God rule in our hearts is not the same thing as understanding the reality of having peace with God. But, their people are under the assumption that their sin debt is separation from God. If an ounce of new reconciliation in this Age of Grace could be restored for anyone when it comes to the issue of their sin debt then the degree of forgiveness that must be obtained in order to restore the reconciliation is the very degree to which that individual refuses to believe that Jesus accomplished it all. Paul’s gospel is hid from those people. They don’t understand what reconciliation is all about. For a person to have to make their own peace with God would be nothing more than an exercise in futility, it could never be done. Grace within a dispensation was one thing, a dispensation characterized solely by grace is something else altogether.
 
Join Baha'i Forums


Welcome to Baha'i Forums, an open Baha'i Faith community! We welcome everyone and the community is free to join so register today and become part of the Baha'i Forums family!


Old 04-10-2017, 07:15 PM   #2
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2016
From: United States
Posts: 36
Wasn't there once an interfaith forum where posts like this could be moved to? I know the OP is probably a bot (or has no interest in acting like anything but one) but this clearly doesn't belong in Baha'i Beliefs...unless someone wants to take the time to refute the original post and give the Baha'i side of things...
 
Old 04-11-2017, 01:11 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
From: Blue Planet
Posts: 1,132
we are tolerant people Scribe
 
Old 04-11-2017, 03:06 AM   #4
Tony Bristow-Stagg
 
tonyfish58's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2010
From: Normanton Far North Queensland
Posts: 3,843
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe View Post
Wasn't there once an interfaith forum where posts like this could be moved to? I know the OP is probably a bot (or has no interest in acting like anything but one) but this clearly doesn't belong in Baha'i Beliefs...unless someone wants to take the time to refute the original post and give the Baha'i side of things...
The opening question says it all

Will people accept what Jesus accomplished or will people reject it?

This is what Baha'u'llah came for, so we would accept the Message of Jesus with all our Heart and All our Soul.

Regards Tony
 
Old 04-12-2017, 04:41 AM   #5
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2016
From: United States
Posts: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyfish58 View Post
The opening question says it all

Will people accept what Jesus accomplished or will people reject it?
What a Christian means by "accepting Jesus" and what a Baha'i means by "accepting Jesus" are two very different things...at least the last time I checked.
 
Old 04-12-2017, 11:57 AM   #6
Tony Bristow-Stagg
 
tonyfish58's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2010
From: Normanton Far North Queensland
Posts: 3,843
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe View Post
What a Christian means by "accepting Jesus" and what a Baha'i means by "accepting Jesus" are two very different things...at least the last time I checked.
A Baha'i would say that would be to love Christ with all your heart and soul and in Christ do God's works to all of Humanity in a Unity of purpose.

Is that much different from a Christain point of view?

Regards Tony
 
Old 04-12-2017, 04:42 PM   #7
Lives in hope
 
AidanK's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2015
From: N Ireland
Posts: 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyfish58 View Post
A Baha'i would say that would be to love Christ with all your heart and soul and in Christ do God's works to all of Humanity in a Unity of purpose.

Is that much different from a Christain point of view?

Regards Tony
Jesus is God made man, the second person of the Blessed Trinity
 
Old 04-16-2017, 01:15 PM   #8
Jcc
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2013
From: Edwardsville, Illinois, USA
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally Posted by AidanK View Post
Jesus is God made man, the second person of the Blessed Trinity
Yes, that is a definition of Jesus Christ, but "acceptance of Christ" is more than intellectually agreeing with one or another definition, it is a change in the heart and spirit, gaining the spirit of faith. This acceptance and lighting of the candle of faith in the heart is the same for Baha'is and Christians.
 
Old 04-16-2017, 02:57 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
From: Bend, Oregon
Posts: 116
Originally Posted by AidanK
Quote:
Jesus is God made man, the second person of the Blessed Trinity
Concerning the Manifestations of God, and using the Prophet Muhammad as an example, Bahá’u’lláh revealed: "Unto this subtle, this mysterious and ethereal Being He hath assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. He hath, moreover, conferred upon Him a double station. The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself. To this testifieth the tradition: 'Manifold and mysterious is My relationship with God. I am He, Himself, and He is I, Myself, except that I am that I am, and He is that He is.' And in like manner, the words: 'Arise, O Muḥammad, for lo, the Lover and the Beloved are joined together and made one in Thee.' He similarly saith: 'There is no distinction whatsoever between Thee and Them, except that They are Thy Servants.' The second station is the human station, exemplified by the following verses: 'I am but a man like you.' 'Say, praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?' (Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, XXVII)

Referring to His own station, Baha’u’llah revealed,“When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things ‘verily I am God!’; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!” (Cited in World Order of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 113)

-LR
 
Old 04-27-2017, 07:15 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2017
From: Mexico
Posts: 6
Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Baha'u'llah were all supreme examples of the manifestation of God, role models on how the Light of God may shine through a human experience, to such degree that seeing Jesus, or seeing Baha'u'llah was like seeing God Himself.

But it may be fair to say that, inasmuch as we live in harmony with God, we become a manifestation of his glory and divinity to the rest of the world.

This would explain why Jesus asked us to be "perfect, as your Father in Heaven in perfect" and why in the metaphor of the Final Judgement He says "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me". This is also why Jesus, in the Garden of Gethsemani, asked his Father "that all of them may be ONE, as You Father, are in me, and I am in You, May They also be in us"

For centuries, blood was shed in religious wars between Trinitarians and Unitarians... fueled by controversies about the exact nature of Jesus.

All this division and violence was pointless: Jesus was not concerned about our intellectual understanding of his exact nature, as much as how we live as if we were one with God and one with each other.

Last edited by camachoe; 04-27-2017 at 07:21 AM.
 
Old 04-27-2017, 12:59 PM   #11
Tony Bristow-Stagg
 
tonyfish58's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2010
From: Normanton Far North Queensland
Posts: 3,843
Quote:
Originally Posted by camachoe View Post
Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Baha'u'llah were all supreme examples of the manifestation of God, role models on how the Light of God may shine through a human experience, to such degree that seeing Jesus, or seeing Baha'u'llah was like seeing God Himself.

But it may be fair to say that, inasmuch as we live in harmony with God, we become a manifestation of his glory and divinity to the rest of the world.

This would explain why Jesus asked us to be "perfect, as your Father in Heaven in perfect" and why in the metaphor of the Final Judgement He says "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me". This is also why Jesus, in the Garden of Gethsemani, asked his Father "that all of them may be ONE, as You Father, are in me, and I am in You, May They also be in us"

For centuries, blood was shed in religious wars between Trinitarians and Unitarians... fueled by controversies about the exact nature of Jesus.

All this division and violence was pointless: Jesus was not concerned about our intellectual understanding of his exact nature, as much as how we live as if we were one with God and one with each other.

That is well said It is indeed the intent of all God's Messages, given by those that sacrificed all to give those messages.

Unity is indeed our next goal that must and will be achieved.

Regards Tony
 
Reply

  Baha'i Forums > Baha'i Forums > Baha'i Beliefs

Tags
accept, reject



Thread Tools
Display Modes



Facebook @bahaiforums RSS


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2006 - 2017 Bahai Forums. All rights reserved.