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Old 07-04-2018, 10:25 AM   #1
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Is the Bahai Faith the first religion meant for the whole of humanity?

I have been learning about the Bahai Faith and have read that humanity is like a student and religions are like different grades in school and as the student (humanity) matures we are ready for new rules and teachings. Does that mean that every previous religion was meant for everyone? I can't find any clear answer, but did God want everyone to be Jewish, then Christian, then Muslim, then Bahai? Or were previous religions only meant for specific cultures?
 
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:23 PM   #2
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I have been learning about the Bahai Faith and have read that humanity is like a student and religions are like different grades in school and as the student (humanity) matures we are ready for new rules and teachings. Does that mean that every previous religion was meant for everyone? I can't find any clear answer, but did God want everyone to be Jewish, then Christian, then Muslim, then Bahai? Or were previous religions only meant for specific cultures?
Thank you TB2000, you have posted a great question.

Baha'u'llah has confirmed that all the Messages were for all Humanity. It is our limited vision that have restricted these Messages from being embraced by a wider audience. It is in this age that all the Messages can indeed be seen as One Message.

"All praise be to the one true God -- exalted be His glory -- inasmuch as He hath, through the Pen of the Most High, unlocked the doors of men's hearts. Every verse which this Pen hath revealed is a bright and shining portal that discloseth the glories of a saintly and pious life, of pure and stainless deeds. The summons and the message which We gave were never intended to reach or to benefit one land or one people only. Mankind in its entirety must firmly adhere to whatsoever hath been revealed and vouchsafed unto it. Then and only then will it attain unto true liberty." Baha'u'llah : Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah

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Old 07-05-2018, 02:20 AM   #3
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My understanding is that, the previous manifestations brought a message that was partly time and place specific, but contained the same core message. Therefore the details of message brought by previous manifestations was not expectedt to reach the whole world,also the commicaton and travel times of the past ment that the messages would that hundreds of years to spread. Baha'u'llah however came at a time when communicating and travelling was about to be opened up, therefore the message he brought is ment for the whole earth in this age .

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Old 07-05-2018, 04:50 AM   #4
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I have been learning about the Bahai Faith and have read that humanity is like a student and religions are like different grades in school and as the student (humanity) matures we are ready for new rules and teachings. Does that mean that every previous religion was meant for everyone? I can't find any clear answer, but did God want everyone to be Jewish, then Christian, then Muslim, then Bahai? Or were previous religions only meant for specific cultures?
Muhammad seems to have been the first intended for a worldwide audience (perhaps with the exception of the Americas). Judaism was almost certainly just for the Jews, which is why the name of the religion doubles as the name of an ethnic group.

Christianity seems like it was intended for more than just the Jews, and at least seems to have been for the entirety of the Roman Empire, possibly more.

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Old 07-05-2018, 07:33 AM   #5
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I have been learning about the Bahai Faith and have read that humanity is like a student and religions are like different grades in school and as the student (humanity) matures we are ready for new rules and teachings. Does that mean that every previous religion was meant for everyone? I can't find any clear answer, but did God want everyone to be Jewish, then Christian, then Muslim, then Bahai? Or were previous religions only meant for specific cultures?
The Jewish religion was only meant for a small audience. Christianity was for all mankind, but realistically could only spread so far. The same is true for Islam. All of mankind could benefit from Buddhism, but Hinduism seems very culture specific.
 
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I remember reading years ago some words of ‘Abdu’l-Baha explaining something like that Islam could have expanded world-wide had those spreading it not ceased in their efforts, but for the life of me I can’t recall where or find that quote right now.

Reinforcing what others have contributed, I will offer Shoghi Effendi’s words from his ‘The Dispensation of Baha’u’llah’: “Nor does the Bahá'í Revelation, claiming as it does to be the culmination of a prophetic cycle and the fulfillment of the promise of all ages, attempt, under any circumstances, to invalidate those first and everlasting principles that animate and underlie the religions that have preceded it. The God-given authority, vested in each one of them, it admits and establishes as its firmest and ultimate basis. It regards them in no other light except as different stages in the eternal history and constant evolution of one religion, Divine and indivisible, of which it itself forms but an integral part. It neither seeks to obscure their Divine origin, nor to dwarf the admitted magnitude of their colossal achievements. It can countenance no attempt that seeks to distort their features or to stultify the truths which they instill. Its teachings do not deviate a hairbreadth from the verities they enshrine, nor does the weight of its message detract one jot or one tittle from the influence they exert or the loyalty they inspire. Far from aiming at the overthrow of the spiritual foundation of the world's religious systems, its avowed, its unalterable purpose is to widen their basis, to restate their fundamentals, to reconcile their aims, to reinvigorate their life, to demonstrate their oneness, to restore the pristine purity of their teachings, to cöordinate their functions and to assist in the realization of their highest aspirations. . . .” (The World Order of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 114)

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I will add a bit more to this topic as the day in my part of the world comes to a close. In 1875 ‘Abu’l-Baha wrote a text directed toward the Muslims in Iran which was later translated, retranslated, and titled ‘The Secret of Divine Civilization’. In this text “Abdu’l-Baha explained that under the Islam that Muhammad had intended, that “. . . the whole population should be protected in every way; that every effort should be exerted to adopt a combination of all possible measures to raise up the Word of God, increase the number of believers, promote the Faith of God and exalt it and make it victorious over other religions.

“If, indeed, the Muslim religious authorities had persevered along these lines as they ought to have done, by now every nation on earth would have been gathered into the shelter of the unity of God and the bright fire of ‘that He may make it victorious over every other religion’ would have flamed out like the sun in the midmost heart of the world.

“. . . Now if the illustrious people of the one true God, the recipients of His confirmations, the objects of His Divine assistance, should put forth all their strength, and with complete dedication, relying upon God and turning aside from all else but Him, should adopt procedures for spreading the Faith and should bend all their efforts to this end, it is certain that His Divine light would envelop the whole earth.”


(The Secret of Divine Civilization, pp. 41 – 43)

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Old 07-07-2018, 06:24 AM   #8
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IMHO, Religion and Faith are invented terms from humans.

There is only an unknowable source of Creation, which many attempt to ascribe a name to.

The Creator has given Teachings through time to various groups of peoples all over the planet.

Personally I don't like using the term Religion nor Faith to any past and present Teachings.

As we discover now from reading the current Teachings from our Creator as given to Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí whose title is, Baha'u'llah, there is One Creator, One World, One People.

The Teachings of today will become muddied that further away from the time of the Teachings and eventually we will be given more Teachings, perhaps endlessly.

So, there has been only the One Creator therefore we can say one Religion one Faith, it has been people who tried to possess for just themselves and erroneously declared our Creator would no longer send us Teachings.
 
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...Personally I don't like using the term Religion...
Exactly, there are so many more important things we need to be concerned with.

Seems whenever we consult w/ others about ultimate issues we somehow always hear folks wanting to turn the chat into a contest over whose religion is better. What I've found interesting is that a quick Bible search shows that while the Bible mentions "God" over four thousand times, the word "religion" comes up less than a half dozen times --and only defined in terms of actions--
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
--and not as which belief gang we hang out w/.
 
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I'm uncomfortable saying to anyone that the Baha'i Teachings are another new religion. Also not an independent religion is what I think the term used is. Completely disagreeing with the term. Past faiths as simply older Teachings from the same source of creation. When I speak to non-Baha'i I stress the point that the Teachings are a continuation of what was given previously in what were assumed to be, Independent religions.

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Exactly, there are so many more important things we need to be concerned with.

Seems whenever we consult w/ others about ultimate issues we somehow always hear folks wanting to turn the chat into a contest over whose religion is better. What I've found interesting is that a quick Bible search shows that while the Bible mentions "God" over four thousand times, the word "religion" comes up less than a half dozen times --and only defined in terms of actions--
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
--and not as which belief gang we hang out w/.
 
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