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Old 06-01-2014, 04:43 PM   #1
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"Is there any remover of difficulties..."

Remover of Difficulties/Hal men mufarajjin (English & Arabic Baha'i prayer)
 
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:06 AM   #2
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Truly He is the only remover of difficulty. However we can assist ourselves by making the leap of faith and surrendering all of our cares to Him the benevolent parent
 
Old 06-02-2014, 08:52 AM   #3
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Truly He is the only remover of difficulty. However we can assist ourselves by making the leap of faith and surrendering all of our cares to Him the benevolent parent
So true dear friend to surrender completely ones will, ones life into the Hands of God. To have complete trust and confidence in Him our beloved Father and creator.

Herein lies freedom and joy and happiness.

All abide by His bidding.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 04:35 AM   #4
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Let go, let God
 
Old 10-02-2014, 09:09 PM   #5
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It sounded lovely. Do baha'is have choirs in their temples? Do you guys ever sing hymns?
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:07 PM   #6
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I adjure Thee by Thy might, O my God! Let no harm beset me in times of test, and in moments of heedlessness guide my steps aright through Thine inspiration. Thou art God; potent art Thou to do what Thou desirest. No one can withstand Thy Will or thwart Thy purpose.

Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!

Two of my many favorite Baha'i prayers...
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:56 PM   #7
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It sounded lovely. Do baha'is have choirs in their temples? Do you guys ever sing hymns?
drac16 - Yes We can and often do sing the Holy words and prayers at Feasts

Also the choir singing in the temple must be A Cappella, that is the Human voice only, without instruments.

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
Old 10-03-2014, 09:16 PM   #8
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Baha'i Choir Music

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It sounded lovely. Do baha'is have choirs in their temples? Do you guys ever sing hymns?
drac,
Here are some samples of the Baha'i Choir:

"God is sufficient unto me. He is the All-Sufficing."


Danny Seals: "We are One"


One of my favorites. "We have come to sing praises to our Lord":
 
Old 10-03-2014, 10:11 PM   #9
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Thank you very much, Dale and Tony. Those were three very different kinds of music. It's not my cup of tea, but it was interesting to listen to.
 
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Listened to them all...loved 'em! Thanks Dale!
 
Old 10-03-2014, 10:34 PM   #11
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As a faith we are so blessed with such talented people in so many fields. Does anyone know a Baha'i psychic who can predict next weeks numbers?
 
Old 10-04-2014, 06:38 AM   #12
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Thank you very much, Dale and Tony. Those were three very different kinds of music. It's not my cup of tea, but it was interesting to listen to.
Perhaps drac you would rather listen to Persian Chanting of the Holy texts etc, it is very beautiful.
You should be able to find this also on You-Tube.
 
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George Carlin

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As a faith we are so blessed with such talented people in so many fields. Does anyone know a Baha'i psychic who can predict next weeks numbers?
George Carlin, not a Baha'i, but was the Hippy Dippy Weatherman in Laugh-In from the sixties. Favorite quote:

"Tomorrow... We will have... weather..." ;-)
 
Old 10-05-2014, 12:14 PM   #14
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Getting back to the original thread.

My question is
Indeed who is the remover of difficulties?
There is only one, and of course it is not a who.
For to visualize our creator is false, only a figment of the imagination.

If I remember correctly we are encouraged to visualize Baha'u'llah or where he is buried. The reason for pilgrimage I feel having viewed His picture.

Just some thoughts
 
Old 10-05-2014, 12:48 PM   #15
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Getting back to the original thread.

My question is
Indeed who is the remover of difficulties?
There is only one, and of course it is not a who.
For to visualize our creator is false, only a figment of the imagination.

If I remember correctly we are encouraged to visualize Baha'u'llah or where he is buried. The reason for pilgrimage I feel having viewed His picture.

Just some thoughts
Bill - Not sure re trying to visualize Baha'u'llah, but we are told to imagine that we are in the presence of Baha'u'llah when we pray and try to grasp the spirit of the prayer?

1492. Turning toward the Shrine of Baha'u'llah in Prayer

"In prayer the believers can turn their consciousness toward the Shrine of
Baha'u'llah, provided that in doing so they have a clear and correct
understanding of His stations as a Manifestation of God"
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, November 15, 1953)

1493. Through 'Abdu'l-Baha one can Address Baha'u'llah

"If you find you need to visualize someone when you pray, think of the
Master. Through Him you can address Baha'u'llah. Gradually try to think
of the qualities of the Manifestation, and in that way a mental form
will fade out, for after all the body is not the thing, His Spirit is
there and is the essential, everlasting element."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual
believer, January 31, 1959)

1486. How to Pray -- One must Start out with the right
Concept of God

"...We must not be rigid about praying; there is not a set of rules
governing it; the main thing is we must start out with the right
concept of God, the Manifestation, the Master, the Guardian -- we can
turn, in thought, to any one of them when we pray. For instance you can
ask Baha'u'llah for some thing, or, thinking of Him, ask God for it.
The same is true of the Master or the Guardian. You can turn in thought to
either of them and then ask their intercession, or pray direct to
God. As long as you don't confuse their stations, and make them all equal,
it does not matter much how you orient your thoughts."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual
believer, July 24, 1946)

There is a lot to consider - Link - Re: Baha'i writings on "meditation"

God Bless and regards Tony
 
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Bill - Not sure re trying to visualize Baha'u'llah, but we are told to imagine that we are in the presence of Baha'u'llah when we pray and try to grasp the spirit of the prayer?

1492. Turning toward the Shrine of Baha'u'llah in Prayer

"In prayer the believers can turn their consciousness toward the Shrine of
Baha'u'llah, provided that in doing so they have a clear and correct
understanding of His stations as a Manifestation of God"
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, November 15, 1953)

1493. Through 'Abdu'l-Baha one can Address Baha'u'llah

"If you find you need to visualize someone when you pray, think of the
Master. Through Him you can address Baha'u'llah. Gradually try to think
of the qualities of the Manifestation, and in that way a mental form
will fade out, for after all the body is not the thing, His Spirit is
there and is the essential, everlasting element."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual
believer, January 31, 1959)

1486. How to Pray -- One must Start out with the right
Concept of God

"...We must not be rigid about praying; there is not a set of rules
governing it; the main thing is we must start out with the right
concept of God, the Manifestation, the Master, the Guardian -- we can
turn, in thought, to any one of them when we pray. For instance you can
ask Baha'u'llah for some thing, or, thinking of Him, ask God for it.
The same is true of the Master or the Guardian. You can turn in thought to
either of them and then ask their intercession, or pray direct to
God. As long as you don't confuse their stations, and make them all equal,
it does not matter much how you orient your thoughts."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual
believer, July 24, 1946)

There is a lot to consider - Link - Re: Baha'i writings on "meditation"

God Bless and regards Tony
Thank you for this quote, Tony! Prayers are our refuge and a most relaxing time in space, basking in one's relationship with God. We need to feel free to embrace that connection at all times, not just the prescribed times, which are wonderful times too!
Warm regards,
Becky
 
Old 10-05-2014, 04:01 PM   #17
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Dear Tony

I liked this quote here....
Quote:
1493. Through 'Abdu'l-Baha one can Address Baha'u'llah

"If you find you need to visualize someone when you pray, think of the
Master. Through Him you can address Baha'u'llah. Gradually try to think
of the qualities of the Manifestation, and in that way a mental form
will fade out, for after all the body is not the thing, His Spirit is
there and is the essential, everlasting element."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual
believer, January 31, 1959)
Yes we need to move away from visualizing, I never thought of thinking of the Master, it is good advise for those who must visualize, thankfully this really has never been my problem, or so I feel, I have never visualized God as a person. To me the Native American idea was always my thought, They called God The Great Mystery, what better explanation for God.
Have been meditating on this aspect of God the unknowable lately guess it comes out in my post.
When Praying I visualize Bahji, I see it in my mind. Of course we are told that in the person of the manifestation we can see and know God, as much as is possible.
As I have never had the privilege of Pilgrimage, I have never seen His photo.

Just the rambling thoughts of an old infirm man.
Loving regards
Bill
 
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We know the importance of prayer, let's not overlook the importance of silence. It's through silence that we hear God speak to us.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 07:24 PM   #19
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THERE IS A VOICE THAT DOESN'T USE WORDS. LISTEN.

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Old 10-05-2014, 09:25 PM   #20
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Dear Tony

I liked this quote here....


Yes we need to move away from visualizing, I never thought of thinking of the Master, it is good advise for those who must visualize, thankfully this really has never been my problem, or so I feel, I have never visualized God as a person. To me the Native American idea was always my thought, They called God The Great Mystery, what better explanation for God.
Have been meditating on this aspect of God the unknowable lately guess it comes out in my post.
When Praying I visualize Bahji, I see it in my mind. Of course we are told that in the person of the manifestation we can see and know God, as much as is possible.
As I have never had the privilege of Pilgrimage, I have never seen His photo.

Just the rambling thoughts of an old infirm man.
Loving regards
Bill
Bill not ramblings dear friend, occasionally I like to picture the Holy Thresholds when praying a Prayer revealed by the Bab, Baha'u'llah or Abdul'Baha

"Cover my face in the dust of the threshold of Thine, exalted above the knowledge of the learned and the Praise of all that glorify Thee"!

Bust mostly like you try to connect with the Spirit without visualization!

The mysteries of the Unknowable will always spark inquiry of our searching minds

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
Old 10-05-2014, 09:29 PM   #21
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Thank you for this quote, Tony! Prayers are our refuge and a most relaxing time in space, basking in one's relationship with God. We need to feel free to embrace that connection at all times, not just the prescribed times, which are wonderful times too!
Warm regards,
Becky

Could we say that, The eternal connection is what attracts our souls, cleaning constantly our mirror our allotted task in this Life?

God Bless and Regards Tony

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