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Old 06-10-2015, 07:20 AM   #1
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an audacious proposal: Baha'i Space.

This will seem flippant, and frankly I do not think there is any way in the immediate future to accomplish it, but a seed has to get planted somewhere.

Ronald McNair was the first Baha'i to visit space, and he died bravely on the way to return there bringing a teacher. He believed the risks were worthwhile. I do not think he should be the last to visit. Recent developments, as well as assurances according to our faith that new power sources will be developed, and that every planet has creatures, causes me to believe that this is the time to begin planning a Baha'i presence in the inevitable human colonization of the endless frontier.


A system with unlimited resources, unlimited energy and room for all, if we have the will power and the time. This is the era of Baha'u'llah. Why should the followers be a limited few in all areas? We could be the ones welcoming our fellow members of humanity. I do not think that among the few words written on the moon are "We came in peace for all mankind" are by accident.

I realize that this rather vague. I do not know if this would take the form of a small orbital colony, or life on some moon or planetary body. Initially it would only take the form of pooling expertise. It would also have to be handled legally. Certainly, if reality, it would be dangerous and incredibly difficult. But then, that is pioneering.
 
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:42 AM   #2
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this is the time to begin planning a Baha'i presence in the inevitable human colonization of the endless frontier
A Baha'i spaceark!

 
Old 06-10-2015, 09:27 AM   #3
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if it was possible for all to book a sit in one spacecraft and travel to space i would have gone by now, undoubtedly even if I had to spend my whole life in a lonely planet among stars... lucky those who will born centuries from now , maybe they have the opportunity to go
 
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if it was possible for all to book a sit in one spacecraft and travel to space i would have gone by now, undoubtedly even if I had to spend my whole life in a lonely planet among stars... lucky those who will born centuries from now , maybe they have the opportunity to go
We are missing out on so many things that future ages will wonder how we did without! I wonder what they are. A common lament of future generations might be that they weren't alive when we are, because we are alive right in the middle of all the action.

Pretty cool.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 11:45 AM   #5
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There's a one way Mars mission in the works right now. Several, actually. I thought about signing up for Mars One, which was open to all applicants, but never did. I really hope there are other Bahá'ís that went through.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 01:06 PM   #6
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get you heads together then - invent this

All possible, just figure out how Magnetism can be used for this.

Magnetism will be the driving force of the next Energy source IMHO

O servant of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the centre, from space to the Day-Star of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly. Glory be upon the people of Bahá

COULD BE THE TRANSLATION THOUGH

God bless and regards Tony
 
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All possible, just figure out how Magnetism can be used for this.

Magnetism will be the driving force of the next Energy source IMHO

O servant of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the centre, from space to the Day-Star of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly. Glory be upon the people of Bahá

COULD BE THE TRANSLATION THOUGH

God bless and regards Tony

here you go: Evaluating NASA’s Futuristic EM Drive | NASASpaceFlight.com
 
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Shouldn't we complete our task on this planet first?
 
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Shouldn't we complete our task on this planet first?
Yes. I don't think it's as simple as let's finish the task on Earth first because . . .

Aren't there activities in space to help accomplish "our task" on Earth first?
 
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Shouldn't we complete our task on this planet first?
What if one helps accomplish the other?
 
Old 06-10-2015, 09:29 PM   #11
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What if one helps accomplish the other?
Yeah, but until we accomplish the Most Great Peace, we ain't gonna be much good the folks on the next star system out there. They've got to do their own Most Great Peace thing, too, before we start knockin' on each other's doors...
 
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Yeah, but until we accomplish the Most Great Peace, we ain't gonna be much good the folks on the next star system out there. They've got to do their own Most Great Peace thing, too, before we start knockin' on each other's doors...
There's more to do in space besides saying hello to ET.

 
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There's a one way Mars mission in the works right now. Several, actually. I thought about signing up for Mars One, which was open to all applicants, but never did. I really hope there are other Bahá'ís that went through.
yes, I too read about that mission (which is going to lunch to space at 2025 I think) and i wanted to take part but my parents didn't let me because as you know that is only a one way trip, people have to stay there forever if I had the means to go to that country to receive enough teachings and then if my parents had no problems with it, for sure I would have done it .
 
Old 06-11-2015, 02:43 AM   #14
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There's a one way Mars mission in the works right now.
A one way Mars mission! That sounds a lot like the one way Australia missions that the British used to offer some of their citizens more than a hundred years ago, the difference being that the participants were given those tickets free of charge. No way that I would accept such an offer without a life-long guarantee that there will always be decent espresso available.

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Yeah, but until we accomplish the Most Great Peace, we ain't gonna be much good the folks on the next star system out there. They've got to do their own Most Great Peace thing, too, before we start knockin' on each other's doors...
If we are involved in any way in achieving peace I cannot see how anything we are doing right now is leading to that. Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe a millenia from now students will learn how Ruhi changed the world and brought about the begnning of a new civilization, while they look out their windows watching pigs fly. I don't know what it will be, but it seems the vigor and sheer forward thinking of the early days, from the accounts, I have read, has kind laxed into a late spring doldrum. I have no doubt that humanity is on the verge of moving beyond its traditional confines. I also have no doubt that we should be part of that.

In any case I am not talking about crossing star systems or anything that is nearly impossible with current physics, but the doable within our lifetimes.
 
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tongue in cheek above, don't take me as acerbic, please
 
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If we are involved in any way in achieving peace I cannot see how anything we are doing right now is leading to that. Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe a millenia from now students will learn how Ruhi changed the world and brought about the begnning of a new civilization, while they look out their windows watching pigs fly. I don't know what it will be, but it seems the vigor and sheer forward thinking of the early days, from the accounts, I have read, has kind laxed into a late spring doldrum. I have no doubt that humanity is on the verge of moving beyond its traditional confines. I also have no doubt that we should be part of that.
And you are not alone feeling that way.

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If we are involved in any way in achieving peace I cannot see how anything we are doing right now is leading to that. Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe a millenia from now students will learn how Ruhi changed the world and brought about the begnning of a new civilization, while they look out their windows watching pigs fly. I don't know what it will be, but it seems the vigor and sheer forward thinking of the early days, from the accounts, I have read, has kind laxed into a late spring doldrum. I have no doubt that humanity is on the verge of moving beyond its traditional confines. I also have no doubt that we should be part of that.

In any case I am not talking about crossing star systems or anything that is nearly impossible with current physics, but the doable within our lifetimes.
yes, i feel the same...
 
Old 06-11-2015, 11:38 AM   #19
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Dear Friends Rhui is an important part of the process of entry by troops and is but one tool to assist. Where used in dedication and earnest forntje cause, it is working

If one feels that we are not doing any thing to bring about the new world order, then maybe we are not!

Service is the key, are we as busy as Abdul'baha? Are we doing as Abdul'baha did? Are we helping the people we are asked to help? Do the service to which Rhui is but one very little part, then one can be assured they are indeed helping in some little way.

All service and all prayer helps, key is how much of self can we let go so it flows in abundance!

God bless and regards Tony

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Service is the key, are we as busy as Abdul'baha? Are we doing as Abdul'baha did? Are we helping the people we are asked to help? Do the service to which Rhui is but one very little part, then one can be assured they are indeed helping in some little way.
Indeed, you're a wise fish....:-)

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Old 06-11-2015, 11:52 AM   #21
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Indeed, you're a smart fish....:-)

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A fish with a wish, or much like a gnat coming out to bat, for a mind in time where words are deeds that feed!



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So there is a tech billionaire who owns a large space corporation that says he is intent on getting a colony with upwards of a million humans living on mars within a hundred years.


Let's say hypothetically some are Baha'i.. odd question but where do they pray towards for the qiblih?
 
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So there is a tech billionaire who owns a large space corporation that says he is intent on getting a colony with upwards of a million humans living on mars within a hundred years.


Let's say hypothetically some are Baha'i.. odd question but where do they pray towards for the qiblih?
hahahaa such a question!!!
Muslims sometimes jokingly ask the same question about going to other planets also another question is if a Muslims goes on top of the House of Mekka, then towards which direction then have to pray?
 
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I suppose that is a complicated issue. Sadly the only Baha'i I can think of, who would have dealt with the issue, Ronald McNair, died aboard shuttle Challenger.
 
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This will seem flippant, and frankly I do not think there is any way in the immediate future to accomplish it, but a seed has to get planted somewhere.

Ronald McNair was the first Baha'i to visit space, and he died bravely on the way to return there bringing a teacher. He believed the risks were worthwhile. I do not think he should be the last to visit. Recent developments, as well as assurances according to our faith that new power sources will be developed, and that every planet has creatures, causes me to believe that this is the time to begin planning a Baha'i presence in the inevitable human colonization of the endless frontier.


A system with unlimited resources, unlimited energy and room for all, if we have the will power and the time. This is the era of Baha'u'llah. Why should the followers be a limited few in all areas? We could be the ones welcoming our fellow members of humanity. I do not think that among the few words written on the moon are "We came in peace for all mankind" are by accident.

I realize that this rather vague. I do not know if this would take the form of a small orbital colony, or life on some moon or planetary body. Initially it would only take the form of pooling expertise. It would also have to be handled legally. Certainly, if reality, it would be dangerous and incredibly difficult. But then, that is pioneering.
And may the Schwartz be with you, Master Yoghurt
 
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I suppose that is a complicated issue. Sadly the only Baha'i I can think of, who would have dealt with the issue, Ronald McNair, died aboard shuttle Challenger.
I'm sure the institutions have considered this
 
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