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Old 07-20-2015, 03:59 PM   #1
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History of the Babi Faith

I am currently starting to do a more accurately reading on the History of the Bab'i faith.
Who wrote the earliest accounts?
I am also reading the Dawn breakers, which is written by Nabil Zarandi who started to write it about 40 years after the Bab.
I am curious to figure out, how Nabil wrote the Book, considering he was about 12 years younger than the Bab. Was he an eyewitness? or he researched and collected the Narratives?

Any knowledgeable help is appreciated.
 
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Old 07-20-2015, 04:56 PM   #2
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It was in 1887 that he (Nabil) began the important task of writing his narratives which he begins with these words as a preface:

It is my intention, by the aid and assistance of God, to devote the introductory pages of this narrative to such accounts as I have been able to obtain regarding those twin great lights, Shaykh Ahmad-i-Ahs' and Siyyid Kzim-i-Rasht, after which it is my hope to recount, in their chronological order, the chief events that have happened since the year '60 (1844 A.D.) the year that witnessed the declaration of the Faith by the Bb, until the present time, the year 1305 A.H

In certain instances I shall go into some detail, in others I shall content myself with a brief summary of events. I shall place on record a description of the episodes I myself have witnessed, as well as those that have been reported to me by trustworthy and recognised informants, specifying in every case their names and standing. Those to whom I am primarily indebted are the following: Mrz Ahmad-i-Qazvn, the Bb's amanuensis; Siyyid Ism'l-i-Dhabh; Shaykh Hasan-i-Zunz; Shaykh Ab-Turb-i-Qazvn; and, last but not least, Mrz Ms, qy-i-Kalm, brother of Bah'u'llh.

I render thanks to God for having assisted me in the writing of these preliminary pages, and for having blessed and honoured them with the approval of Bah'u'llh, who has graciously deigned to consider them and who signified, through His amanuensis Mrz q Jn, who read them to Him, His pleasure and acceptance. I pray that the Almighty may sustain and guide me lest I err and falter in the task I have set myself to accomplish.


When Bah'u'llh passed away, Nabl was inconsolable. He could not live without his Beloved. The fire of love, which had burned within him so fiercely and so long, had now engulfed him and was about to set him aflame with the blaze of sacrifice. For some time, he tried very hard to adjust but this became increasingly difficult and, at last, unable to contain the ocean of love which surged within his soul, he took his life by drowning in the sea. He was truly a lover of the Blessed Beauty. He left behind a note paying homage to 'Abdu'l-Bah, writing the date of his death in a single Arabic word 'Gharq' (drowned). The numerical value of this word is 1310 A.H. (A.D. 1892-3).

-THE REVELATION OF BAH'U'LLH, by Adib Taherzadeh, Vol I, pp 204-205
 
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Thanks Josh

It is also interesting there are many different accounts of same events from ddifferent Books which differ from each other.

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It is also interesting there are many different accounts of same events from different Books which differ from each other.
That seems to always be the case with the passage of time, and multiple people witnessing the same event can have a different take on it. We are blessed to be so near the events described, and to have many accounts available for study. Also, the core is what's important, not the ancillary details.

For example---'A rose was placed on the table'.

Was it a red rose, a yellow rose, a white rose or a pink rose? Accounts may differ on the color, but all agree that it was a rose.

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i love the Dawn Breakers book and it is my greatest source of knowledge about That Bab and His time. yet I don't know to what extent i can rely on the information in the book as REAL historical happenings; some of the happenings described in the book are more like fiction!
 
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Who really killed JFK??

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Thanks Josh

It is also interesting there are many different accounts of same events from ddifferent Books which differ from each other.
You know, at a time when cameras and tape recorders were absent, when to breathe a word of a belief contrary to fanatic clergy got you killed, secrets were kept about such things and held close.

After the passage of time, these stories, some of them, were retold to others, even as the Gospel accounts, which vary.

Even as recent as the assassination of JFK, with footage and numerous eye witnesses, accounts vary, and the question is still asked: "Who killed JFK?"

There were thousands of witnesses to the execution of the Bab, from many different angles. The old smokey rifles left a cloud in the air. What happened? Were there really three entire regiments of 250 men each? Or parts of three regiments? It doesn't matter.

For me, I have seen the very blood of the Bab's garment in the Holy Land.
That is enough for me...

Allah'u'Abha
 
Old 07-23-2015, 12:49 PM   #7
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i love the Dawn Breakers book and it is my greatest source of knowledge about That Bab and His time. yet I don't know to what extent i can rely on the information in the book as REAL historical happenings; some of the happenings described in the book are more like fiction!
Can you give an example where you think it sounds like a fiction?
 
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Here is a great talk about Nabil’s narrative:
 
Old 07-25-2015, 03:38 PM   #9
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i love the Dawn Breakers book and it is my greatest source of knowledge about That Bab and His time. yet I don't know to what extent i can rely on the information in the book as REAL historical happenings; some of the happenings described in the book are more like fiction!
It is a Sacred Narratives and like most, historical events can sometimes take a back seat to the story being told. That is the reason Shoghi Effendi included such copious footnotes, so we could compare it to other accounts. Tarikh Zuhur al Haqq by Fazel Mazandarani is probably the most objective and scholarly treatment of the history of our Faith. You can read it here if it's not blocked:
Collected Works of Fadil Mazandarani. Also read Shoghi Effendis Lawh-i Qarn which is kind of an abbreviated version of God Passes By.
 
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Can you give an example where you think it sounds like a fiction?
I can give you one. The account of the execution of the Bab where it talks about a whirlwind arising and darkening the sky. That is just too close to the story of the crucifixion. Remember there were plenty of non-Baha'i accounts of the Bab's execution as well and none of this mention that. They do mention the first volley missing however.
 
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I can give you one. The account of the execution of the Bab where it talks about a whirlwind arising and darkening the sky. That is just too close to the story of the crucifixion. Remember there were plenty of non-Baha'i accounts of the Bab's execution as well and none of this mention that. They do mention the first volley missing however.
Although the event that took place after the execution of the Bab, according to interpretation of Abdulbaba, was prophesied in the Book Revelation, which Shoghi Effendi also mentions in God Passes By:

" In Shrz an earthquake, foreshadowed in no less weighty a Book than the Revelation of St. John, occurred in 1268 A.H. which threw the whole city into turmoil and wrought havoc amongst its people,.... "

I wonder if this earthquake was ever recorded historically.
 
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After a search, I found in year 1231 in Persian calendar which converts to 1268 A.H a Terrible earthquake happend in Shiraz.

زمين لرزه هاي ويرانگر ايران : - مجموعه مقالات صدری زاده / Sadrizadeh Papers
 
Old 07-25-2015, 09:26 PM   #13
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soldiers killed

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After a search, I found in year 1231 in Persian calendar which converts to 1268 A.H a Terrible earthquake happend in Shiraz.

زمين لرزه هاي ويرانگر ايران : - مجموعه مقالات صدری زاده / Sadrizadeh Papers
That would be two years after His martyrdom. Possibly the quake which killed the soldiers of the regiment which fired upon Him.
 
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