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Old 11-13-2015, 06:11 AM   #1
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Number of Baha'is in Iran

Hello.

It seems that in the beginning of the 20th century, there were only a few tens of thousands Baha'is worldwide.

But it is commonly reported that today, there are between 200 and 400 thousands Baha'is today in Iran.

How do you explain the growth of the Baha'i population in Iran during the 20th century ? What happened ?

Also, it seems that there exists Baha'i villages in the north of Iran. Is that true ?

Thank you.
 
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:32 AM   #2
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Dear Friend how many Baha's in Iran or elsewhere I would not like to guess, why does it matter, to a true believer it matters not if there are ten or ten million.
Also the enemies of the faith especially Iran wish to discover so they can be killed or harassed in many ways., as these enemies watch our forums etc to discover ways to attack us, I feel people would be reluctant to answer such questions. They are the largest faith other than Muslim in Iran, and I Praise their devotion and steadfastness against such bigotry and hate, and God knows their devotion, and will repay there devotion.
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:39 AM   #3
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Actually I am curious because there are quite a lot of Baha'is in Iran, whereas there are persuctions ongoing for more than one century. It's pretty amazing actually.

My questions behind the question was : how was the community able to develop and grow in spite of a hostile climate ?

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How was the community managed before the Revolution ?

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What can you tell me about the conversions movements in the 20th century (because there obvisouly were some converts) ?

If my questions are clumsy and able to give the ennemies some points, feel free to reporte and delete my post ! It won't annoy me !

EDIT : Do you know more articles like this one ? http://bahai-library.com/maneck_conv...inorities_iran

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Old 11-13-2015, 07:23 AM   #4
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The most recent scholarly work on the early development of the Baha'i community is Moojan Momen's The Baha'i Communities of Iran, 1851-1921. I haven't read this book yet, but you can find it here.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 07:40 AM   #5
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Religions have often shown to thrive under repression. In fact, apart from outright genocidal tactics like the expulsion of Jews during pogroms in Europe, the Cathar repressions, and so forth, I am not certain that any of the great world religions has managed to be repressed out of existance.

For instance, Christianity in Japan, after the Tokugawa Shogunate, was forced into a hidden state. It survived, gradually even without clergy to properly pass on information, as a kind of secret family religion among some households, and yet amazingly survived for several hundred years until contact with the West was reestablished. Shia still survive in Saudi Arabia under completely unfair circumstances. Muslims, though treated frightfully in Burma are not about to dissapear (interestingly, there IS a Baha'i villlage in Burma, Abdul Baha's village) and so forth.

Baha'i faith is inherent in the teachings. It does not require clergy, just literacy. It does not get trapped up in layers of tradition: it is still far too new for that. The advent of the internet has made it almost impossible to completely prevent access to reading material, and therefore with or without a national spiritual organizations, the writings are to be found.


"It is daybreak, and from the rising-point of the invisible realms of God, the light of unity is dawning; and streaming and beating down from the hidden world of the Kingdom of oneness there cometh a flood of abounding grace. Glad tidings of the Kingdom are sounding from every side, and wafting in from every direction are the first morning signs of the exalting of God’s Word and the upraising of His Cause. The word of unity is spreading, the verses of oneness are being sung, the sea of God’s bestowals is tossing high its waves, and in plunging cataracts His blessings are pouring down."

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Old 11-13-2015, 09:13 AM   #6
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But it is commonly reported that today, there are between 200 and 400 thousands Baha'is today in Iran.
Who knows? The Iranian Islamic leadership has effectively shut-down anything to do with the Baha'i Faith, and due to the continued hostility the Universal House of Justice has asked the Iranian believers to cease all outward Baha'i activities.

How many Iranians are Baha'is in their hearts, or secretly are in sympathy with Baha'i beliefs? Time will tell.

Our Writings promise that the future of Iran and its people is very bright and glorious, notwithstanding the current repression and turmoil. Baha'u'llah tells us that God uses adversity to advance His Cause!

"Behold how in this Dispensation the worthless and foolish have fondly imagined that by such instruments as massacre, plunder and banishment they can extinguish the Lamp which the Hand of Divine power hath lit, or eclipse the Day Star of everlasting splendor. How utterly unaware they seem to be of the truth that such adversity is the oil that feedeth the flame of this Lamp! Such is God’s transforming power. He changeth whatsoever He willeth; He verily hath power over all things." -Baha'u'llah, Gleanings, p 72
 
Old 11-13-2015, 11:13 AM   #7
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The figure often mentioned is four hundred thousand in Iran. As to persecutions: well, it's a religion. So, whenever there are persecutions, our numbers tend to grow.

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Old 11-16-2015, 07:19 AM   #8
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I’m not so optimistic about numbers of Iranian Baha’is. The cited numbers of some 300,000 are dated back before the Iranian Revolution and for obvious reasons didn’t changed since then. My pessimism is based on (rather stretched, I admit) comparison with similar situation happened with the Baha’i community in Vietnam. There were around 200,000 Baha’is in Vietnam by 1975. Now there are about 7,000 Baha’is. I understand that countries are different, but we can see how attitude of the state can be very detrimental to the number of believers.

Dear BlinkeyBill, I don’t see how our discussion, a pure hypothetical one, about numbers of Iranian Baha’i community can do any harm to them. Such statement is over paranoid to my taste, sorry.
 
Old 11-17-2015, 12:30 PM   #9
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Dear BlinkeyBill, I don’t see how our discussion, a pure hypothetical one, about numbers of Iranian Baha’i community can do any harm to them. Such statement is over paranoid to my taste, sorry.

Don't be sorry Anton, we all are allowed our own opinion are we not? Without being labeled one way or another. I do not live in Iran, but to be discovered as a Baha'i can mean a death sentence, I would prefer to be overly cautious. Part of the question was to do with certain towns, now that is definitely narrowing down or pinpointing certain areas.
Peace to you
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