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Old 01-17-2016, 04:19 PM   #1
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Mirza Abu'l-Fadl rocked

I am a huge fan of the works of Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, and I would like to reserve a forum to gush about it occasionally. If anyone else wants to say anything on this matter, please join in.

More to come soon, I am sure.
 
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Old 01-24-2016, 02:13 PM   #2
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Oh please gush on my friend.
A giant of the faith, who else but he could say his words were the same as if Abdul'Baha spoke. But of course he would never say such a thing, because of his great modesty and humility, truly a great example. A great Baha'i scholar. Please relate stories I will be watching.
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Old 01-27-2016, 01:23 PM   #3
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"First it must be recognized that philosophers and researchers in the scholarly community have defined "spirit" in different ways. The best, most perfect, and clearest of these is that spirit is an abstract substance separate from matter in essence but not in act. It will not be hidden from the wise that this definition, insofar as it is a definition by negation, fails to elucidate the reality of the essence of one thing described. It is a comprehensive, restrictive definition which, nonetheless, better explains the intent of the word "spirit" than other definitions. It can be known from this definition, for instance, that spirit is different from matter and material things to regard to its essence. Spirit cannot be described by such attributes as ingress and egress, independence and inherence, advance and retreat, movement and stillness. Eyes cannot perceive it, nor can the other senses. Yet it remains in need of matter in all acts, and inseparable from it in all conditions, for it is unimaginable that matter be stripped from it.

"No act can issue from spirit except through matter, and it is inconceivable that an effect could be produced by spirit save through the instrumentality of matter. For instance, it is impossible to imagine that the acts of seeing, hearing, writing, or thinking could proceed from spirit alone, except through the instrumentality of the eye, the ear, the hand, the brain, and so on. In this respect there is no difference between holy celestial spirits, rational human spirits, perceptive animal spirits, or base satanic spirits. These are all terms and expressions referring to actions, attributes, and properties rather than to the common abstract nature of their essence and their need for matter in order to act.

"Many have remained heedless of this point, and ancients and moderns have both wandered astray in this desert. To this the holy verses have referred: "And had we made him an angel, we would have made him [in the form of] a man, and we would have thus confused them concerning the very thing about which they are sowing confusion."[*] Those lost in the wasteland of delusion, heedless of the true meaning of that which the All-Possessing, the All-Knowing had promised, saw in the heavenly scriptures (particularly the Holy Gospel) that the Lord Messenger (or the Lord who would descend) would come with a company of favored angels and a host of the Concourse on High, and that he would be rendered victorious by a multitude of swooping angels and those riding behind.[1.7] But when the noble messenger Muhammad appeared — may the blessings and peace of God be upon him and upon his House — they saw a simple man who ate food, strolled in the market, kept company with other Arabs, and sat upon the ground. There were neither angels hovering over his head nor hosts of those imagined spirits walking before and behind him. They criticized Muhammad for failing to fulfill the Revelation because he did not meet an unreasonable condition."

-Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, Miracles and Metaphors
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This is my favorite explanation of spirits and souls I have ever read.
 
Old 02-27-2016, 01:13 PM   #4
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Ohhh My!!! Abul Fadl was my and is my Heroe >.< a true example of humility, a Baha'i like no other, he is the true example of when I read "Follow my commandments for the love of my beauty!"....
thanks for sharing that Neal
 
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There were neither angels hovering over his head nor hosts of those imagined spirits walking before and behind him. They criticized Muhammad for failing to fulfill the Revelation because he did not meet an unreasonable condition."

-Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, Miracles and Metaphors

Ah dear friends look at all the Writings and how people declare there Authors corrupt as they did not fulfill the expectations of the foolish.
Have mercy upon us oh my God, my hearts desire.
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:59 AM   #6
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"You ask about passages in the Pentateuch and the Gospel that might be cited concerning the appearance of the Prophet Muhammad. Know, my beloved friend,that anyone who carefully examines all the Holy Scriptures will see that all such books contain two kinds of teachings. The first category contains the laws and ordinances the community will need over the period of its existence, and on which its success and prosperity will depend. The second category is the prophesies concerning the advent of the Day of God, the descent of the Spirit of God [Jesus], and the appearance of the Manifestation of the Cause of God. This Day is the great, terrible, and awful Day that has been referred to in the heavenly scriptures by various expressions, by such exalted names as the Day of the Lord, the Day of the Kingdom, the Day of Affliction, the Day of the Meeting, the Resurrection, the Hour, and so forth. The prophets stipulated conditions for the advent of that Day and mentioned signs, tokens, indications, proofs, and prerequisites for it. These are recorded in the ancient books and are clearly stated in these scriptures."

- Miracles and Metaphors, pg 61-62

I have never noticed this phrasing of around Manifestation before. Do you think that, in this case, the term refers to Baha'u'llah or to the Baha'i Faith? That is, are the people of Baha and their deeds the Manifestation of the Cause of God? It is a creative use of the term, and I personally think it is in line with the Writings.
 
Old 08-08-2016, 11:10 AM   #7
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I am a huge fan of the works of Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, and I would like to reserve a forum to gush about it occasionally. If anyone else wants to say anything on this matter, please join in.

More to come soon, I am sure.
Agreed.

He rocked so much I want to learn Arabic and Persian, because his main work The Peerless Gems remains untranslated, but learning these languages would be a huge task! This work replies to attacks on The Book of Certitude. The untranslated text is here. One can't help but wonder why such a work remains untranslated.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 11:47 AM   #8
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Mirza Abu’l-Fadl was an outstanding Baha’i scholar. Early in this century the Master sent him to the United States of America both to teach and to help the believers to deepen. After his return, he and a number of American pilgrims were seated in the presence of ‘Abdu’l-Baha in Akka. The pilgrims began to praise Mirza Abu’l-Fadl for the help he had given them, saying that he had taught many souls, defended the Cause most ably against its adversaries, and had helped to build a strong and dedicated Baha’i community in America. As they continued to pour lavish praise upon him, Mirza Abu’l-Fadl became increasingly depressed and dejected, until he burst into tears and wept loudly. The believers were surprised and could not understand this, even thinking that they had not praised him enough!

Then ‘Abdu’l-Baha explained that by praising him they had bitterly hurt him, for he considered himself as utter nothingness in the Cause and believed with absolute sincerity that he was not worthy of any mention or praise.

-Vignettes from the Life of Abdu'l-Baha-
 
Old 10-12-2016, 06:03 AM   #9
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Then ‘Abdu’l-Baha explained that by praising him they had bitterly hurt him, for he considered himself as utter nothingness in the Cause and believed with absolute sincerity that he was not worthy of any mention or praise.

-Vignettes from the Life of Abdu'l-Baha-
Great example of humility.
 
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