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Old 02-14-2017, 04:23 PM   #1
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Some other fulfilled prophecies - part 2

These are some traditions recorded in Bihar vol 51-3 part 1 and part 2, and Al-kafi describing some of the events, known as the Disappearance of the Qaim, :


Abu Basir said to Abu Abdullah Imam Sadiq (a.s.) that Abu Ja’far, Baqir (a.s.) often said: “The Qaim of Muhammad’s progeny will disappear twice; one will be longer than the other.”
He said: “Yes, but that will not be until the army of the tribe of so and so disagrees, the circle [of believers] becomes small, the Sufyani rises, distresses and calamities increase and death and killing spread among people until they resort to the sanctum of Allah and the sanctum of the Prophet.

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It is narrated by Muhammad bin Muslim that Imam Baqir (as) said: “The rising of as-Sufyani and the rising of the Qaim will be in the same year.”




Some of the details of the two disappearance is described in the recorded traditions as follows:

"In one of them he will attain Hajj. He will see the people but they will not see him, and he will return to his family but in the other one it will be said that he is dead or no one knows in which of the valleys has he traveled."


"No one would know his place during the shorter disappearance except the special persons from his Shi‘a. During his longer disappearance no one will see him except very special persons from his friends."

“The man of this matter disappears twice. One of them lasts long until some people say that he has died, some say that he has been killed and others say that he has gone. None of his companions will still believe in him except a very few people. No one knows his place except the guardian, who manages his affairs.”




With manifestation of the Bab, these prophecies came to pass exactly as was recorded.



The last signs that He has fixed to pass before the disappearance of Qaim, is "the rise of Sufyani, and increasing distresses and calamities ....."

After Sayyid Kazim Rashti passed in year 1843, the Sheikhi sect remained without leadership. According to the advise of Kazim, after himself, his followers were to expect the Qaim. However, Muhammad karim khan Kirmani, claimed leardeship, in the same year that the Bab mission began, thus the Sufyani is Muhammad Kirmani.

Then He said:

"In one of them he will attain Hajj. He will see the people but they will not see him, and he will return to his family but in the other one it will be said that he is dead or no one knows in which of the valleys has he traveled."

Shortly after the Bab declared His mission in the year 1844, He made His trip to Mecca in the season of Hajj. In Mecca, He announced that He is the Qaim, however, people did not recognize Him,

According to the Bab:

"Twelve hundred and seventy years have elapsed since the declaration of Muḥammad, and each year unnumbered people have circumambulated the House of God [Mecca]. In the concluding year of this period He Who is Himself the Founder of the House went on pilgrimage. Great God! There was a vast concourse of pilgrims from every sect. Yet not one recognized Him, though He recognized every one of them—souls tightly held in the grasp of His former commandment. "



Then shortly after that, He returned back to His people.
Upon His return, the news of His claim was spread by His disciples in His country, therefore, the Shia Clergy raised against Him. Thus He was captured, imprisoned, and sent from one place to another place, from one city to another. During His imprisonment and banishment, His people were confused, they did not know if "he is dead or in which of the valleys has he traveled" , until He was eventually executed in Azerbaijan, then "some people said that he has died, some said that he has been killed and others said that he has gone up."

When the Bab was executed, the Babi community fell in great doubt, "None of his companions still believed in him except a very few people.", and "No one knew His place except the One who manages his affairs.”
By 'His place', is meant 'Bahaullah', who after the Martyrdom of the Bab, was the Place of the Spirit of Qaim, and at that time, no one knew Bahaullah is the Qaim except for God, who managed His affairs.

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Old 02-14-2017, 07:15 PM   #2
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Other Traditions regarding imprisoning, mistreatment and Martyrdom of the Qaim:

The Master of this Affair is the banished, the expelled, the single and the alone.”


He will enter the mountain abased and come out of it high. Jibraeel and Mikaeel will accompany him.”

Sadrulsodoor, narrates this Hadith, a little different:

"He will enter the mountain abased and come out of it being punished. Jibraeel and Mikaeel will accompany him"

The historical parallel of these traditions, are when the Bab was mistreated, imprisoned, and left alone in the Mountains of Maku. The Bab wrote with this regard:

"...despite the incalculable number of people who
yearningly anticipate His coming, they are resting comfortably in their homes, after having hearkened to His verses; while He at this moment is confined in the mountain of Máh-Kú, lonely and forsaken."

In another Tradition, He said:

There must be an inevitable for us from Azerbaijan that nothing can stand against it. When it occurs, then you are to stay at homes and remain as we have remained. Then when our Mover moves, you are to hasten to join him even crawling. By Allah, as if I see him between the Rukn and Maqam being paid allegiance to by the people, on a new Book which will be severe on the Arabs. Then he said: Woe unto the arrogants of the Arabs from an evil that is about to come.”

By 'inevtible', is meant the Martyrdom of the Bab in Azerbayjan, which was required according to the will of God, and its evidence is in another tradition in which He said, there is a similarity between Jesus and Qaim, "it is that the same that was said about Isa will be said about him", which is an allusion to what the Jews said about Jesus, as recorded in this verse of Quran "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah . Quran 4:157


Then He said: "When it occurs, then you are to stay at homes and remain as we have remained. Then when our Mover moves, you are to hasten to join him even crawling" , and its fulfillment was, when the Bab was martyred, the Babi community fell in to trouble, and in those days, it was better to remain quiet and stay home and wait for the Mover, and by 'the Mover' is meant Bahaullah.

Then He said: "By Allah, as if I see him between the Rukn and Maqam being paid allegiance to by the people, on a new Book which will be severe on the Arabs. Then he said: Woe unto the arrogants of the Arabs from an evil that is about to come.”

'Rukn and Maqam', is the place where Abraham stood, however, here is the symbol of Prophethood, and calling people to a new Book, " which is severe on the Arabs" to accept, since they believed the Quran is the Last Book.

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Old 02-15-2017, 11:49 AM   #3
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In this Tradition there are signs:

Sudair Sairafi had said: I heard Abu Abdullah Imam
Sadiq (a.s.) say:
“In the master of this affair, there is a similarity to Prophet Yusuf.” I asked: “It seems as if you are informing us about occultation and bewilderment?”
He replied: “These accursed people resembling pigs, why do they deny this statement? Brothers of Yusuf were wise and intelligent persons, they came to Yusuf, talked with him, had a deal with him, and he was their brother, inspite of that until he introduced himself they did not recognize him. And when he said I am Yusuf, they recognized him. On the basis of this why does the confused Ummah deny that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime from time to time conceals His proof from them. Yusuf had the rulership of Egypt and the distance between him and his father was not more than of 18 days’ travel, if the Almighty Allah wanted, He could have made his location known to his father. Then how could this Ummah deny that the Almighty Allah can do with His proof what He did with Yusuf? While your oppressed master whose rights have been usurped, he comes and goes among them and he walks in their Bazaars and treads on their carpets and they cannot recognize him? Till the time that the Almighty Allah permits him to introduce himself as He allowed Yusuf. And when his brothers asked: Are you Yusuf?
He replied: Yes, I am that same Yusuf.”
 
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This is one sign:

"Yusuf had the rulership of Egypt and the distance between him and his father was not more than of 18 days’ travel"

Yusuf is an allusion to the Bab, and His Father is an allusion to Bahaullah. The distance between them, is 18 days, meaning, there are 18 years, between declaration of the Bab, and declaration of Bahaullah.
Between 1844 and 1863, there are these 18 years:
1845, 1846, 1847....1862.


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In Islamic sources, similar to Bible, a prophetic day, or a prophetic month, is counted as one year, and the proof of it is in these Hadithes:

Ahmad narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until time passes quickly, so a year will be like a month, and a month will be like a week, and a week will be like a day, and a day will be like an hour, and an hour will be like the burning of a braid of palm leaves.”


The Sahabah (radi Allahu anhum) asked Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) about the Dajjal, “O Messenger of Allah, how long will he stay on earth?” He replied, “Forty days; a day like a year, a day like a month, a day like a week, and the rest of the days like your days.” The Sahabah asked, “O Messenger of Allah, on that day which is like a year, will the Salat (prayers) of one day be sufficient for us?” Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) replied, “No. Calculate the time (for prayer).” [Sahih Muslim]


In Book of Al-tabari recorded, "A day for Abraham was like a month growing up, and a month like a year"

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Old 02-15-2017, 02:16 PM   #5
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Next sign:


“In the master of this affair, there is a similarity to Prophet Yusuf.” I asked: “It seems as if you are informing us about occultation and bewilderment?”
He replied: “These accursed people resembling pigs, why do they deny this statement? ..."

"Bewilderment and disappearance" , is an allusion to the period of time in which, the Bab was imprisoned, and His people were confused where He was, was He still alive or they killed Him.

In tradition of Abu Basir, it is recorded Imam sadiq said, the Qaim has a similar tradition from Yusuf," that is the prison"



In another Tradition, it is recorded, al-Asbagh ibn Nubata asked Amir al-Mu’minin (a.s.), how long will be the duration of bewilderment and the disappearance?" He said, "Six days or six months or six years."


In Islamic sources, sometimes a day, or a month, are prophetic, and are counted as one year, and this is how the puzzle is solved;
By "Six days, or six months or six years", is meant a day, a month or year, are equally the same, and thus 6 years is intended. Its historical parallel, is when the Bab returned from Mecca in year 1845, they imprisoned Him, and banished Him, until the last year of His revelation, 1850.
When we count 1845 to 1850, there are six years.

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Old 02-15-2017, 02:41 PM   #6
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In the tradition of Thumali, it is recorded from Imam Zainul Abideen (a.s.) that he said:


"...Our Qaim will have two occultations, one longer than the other. The first one will be six days and six months and six years. The second one, its period will last very long so much so that many of the believers of this creed will turn away from it. No one will stay firm on it but the one whose certainty is strong, whose cognition is correct and he does not find impediment in his heart from our judgment and submits to us Ahle Bayt.”


What are the historical parallel of this?
 
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"The first one will be six days and six months and six years. The second one, its period will last very long ..."

Six days, each day is like a year
Six months, each month is like a year.

6 years and 6 years and 6 years, total of 18 years.

The first period of 6 years is, the imprisonment of the Bab, 1845-1850.
The second period of 6 years, 1851-1856, is after the Martyrdom of the Bab, is the period that almost no Tablets were revealed, its biblical parallel is in Levitcus 25:3-5

"Six years you shall sow your field, and six years you shall prune your vineyard and gather in its crop, but during the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath rest, a sabbath to the LORD; you shall not sow your field nor prune your vineyard. "
Meaning, for six years, the word of God, which is like seed, is planted, through the Revelation of the Bab, and on the seventh year, which is the year of Martyrdom, the planting of seed stops. After that for six years, they will gather, what was planted in the first six years.

This period ended, in 1856, when Bahaullah returned from the Mountains of Suleymaniyah.

The third period of six years, is 1857-1862, is the period, Bahaullah, the True Joseph, was among them, but they did not recognize Him, until, in the 19th year (1863), He said "I am that same Joseph"

This 18 years, were the first occultation of True Joseph, then He said: "The second one, its period will last very long ..."
This is the period, after ascension of Bahaullah, and it will continue for a long time, until the next Manifestation of the True Joseph.

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Old 02-16-2017, 01:24 PM   #8
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These all sound well and good...

But, man, I need some citations and links to where half of these are even coming from!!

Sadly I can't just trust claimed Baha'i fulfillment prophecies after that one time I stumbled across what turned out to be an "Orthodox Baha'i" site.
 
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These all sound well and good...

But, man, I need some citations and links to where half of these are even coming from!!

Sadly I can't just trust claimed Baha'i fulfillment prophecies after that one time I stumbled across what turned out to be an "Orthodox Baha'i" site.
You mean the interpretations or you mean the source of Hadithes?

The Hadithes are mainly from Two of the Shia Books, Bihar-alanwar and al-kaafi. The translations of these books can be downloaded online. Some Hadithes are not translated, or they are mistranslated. In that case i provided correct translations, and provided the link to the Arabic version.
The interpretations, for the most part are from three books, written by two Bahai scholars.
One of these books is called 'Estedlaliye sadrulsodoor'. It was written at the request of Abdulbaha. The other two books are written by Abulfazail Gulpaygaani. One book is call Faraid, which was written at the request of Abdulbaha. The other book is called Faslulkhataab. These are in persian and still not translated to English. They are available from the Bahai library.
The interpretations provided here are either from these books, or conceptually taught in these books. For example application of a prophetic month to be counted as 1 year, is from book of estedlaliyah.. I am applying to other Hadithes.

The covenant breakers websites often talk about Davidic branch.

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Old 02-17-2017, 08:57 AM   #10
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Abdullah bin Sinan narrated from Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) that he said:
“In the Qaim there is a tradition from Musa Ibne Imran (a.s.).” I asked, “What is the tradition of Musa Ibne Imran?”
He said: “The secrecy of his birth and his disappearance from his people.” I asked, “How long did Musa disappear from his family and people?” He said: “Twenty-eight years.”



The beginning of these twenty eight years, is year 1850 after Martyrdom of the Bab, and its expiration is 1877.
From 1850 to 1862, Bahaullah, the True Moses, was among them, but they did not know Him, and from year 1863 to 1877, they knew Him, but He was in Prison, until finally in the year 1877, He was practically free, and went outside of the Prison City of Akka.
When we count from 1850 to 1877, there are twenty eight years.

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Old 02-28-2017, 08:49 AM   #11
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Hasan bin Ali (a.s.) said: “None of us is without a tyrant ruler of his time dominating him, except for this Imam Qaim (a.s.) behind whom will Prophet Isa (a.s.) pray. For this very reason, Allah, the Mighty and Sublime will keep his birth and his location a secret so that he may not be forced to live under anyone’s rule. He will be the ninth descendant of my brother, Husain (a.s.) and he will be born to the chief of the maids. The Almighty Allah will prolong his life during his occultation and when he appears, he would seem to be a forty-year-old young man. And it will be clear to all that the Almighty Allah is powerful over everything.”

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