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Old 02-20-2017, 09:15 AM   #1
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Reappearance of traditions of God in subsequent Revelations

One of the things that is interesting, is repetition and reappearance of the Traditions of the past Revelations, in a similar way, in the subsequent one. To start, here is one:

When Jesus was crucified, then on the third Day, He raised, and remained for 40 Days.

The repetition of this event, is as follows:

When the Primal Point, the Bab was Martyred, His Religion which is like the Body of the Manifestation, became lifeless. Almost all of His followers lost their faith, and the Babi community was almost exterminated, until when two complete years passed, on the third Day, which is the third year, Bahaullah, the return of Christ was raised. After that He remained for 40 years.

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Old 02-20-2017, 09:48 AM   #2
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Here is another one from Quran:

"We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: his mother bore him, in pain and in pain she gave birth to him, and his bearing and weaning takes thirty months. At length, when he reaches the age of full maturity and attains forty years, he says, O my Lord! Help me to be grateful for Your favours which You have bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and to do good deeds that will please You. Grant me righteousness in my offspring. Truly, I have turned to You and, truly, I submit to You." 46:15


This one is really interesting, and very cryptic.

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Here is another one from Quran:

"We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: his mother bore him, in pain and in pain she gave birth to him, and his bearing and weaning takes thirty months. At length, when he reaches the age of full maturity and attains forty years, he says, O my Lord! Help me to be grateful for Your favours which You have bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and to do good deeds that will please You. Grant me righteousness in my offspring. Truly, I have turned to You and, truly, I submit to You." 46:15


This one is really interesting, and very cryptic.
Yes this is most interesting, against all my striving, my offspring are not interested.
 
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Yes this is most interesting, against all my striving, my offspring are not interested.
It also has a figurative interpretation.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 08:12 PM   #5
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It is recorded in the Kafi, that Abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) has said the following. "When Fatima (a.s.) conceived al-Husayn (a.s.) Jibril came to the Messenger of Allah and said, "Fatima will soon give birth to a son. Your ’Umma (followers) will kill him after you will die." When Fatima had conceived al-Husayn she was unhappy and when she gave birth she was unhappy. Then The Imam (a.s.) said, "No mother has ever been seen in the word to bear a child that she would not like. However, she was unhappy because she knew that he will be killed." The Imam (a.s.) has said, "It is this case for which the following verse of the Holy Quran came.
"We have advised the human being to be kind to his parents; his mother bore him with hardship and delivered him while suffering a great deal of pain. The period in which his mother bore and weaned him lasted for thirty months. . . ." (46:15)."

And in the same book, it is recorded: Al-Husayn (a.s.) did not have any milk from Fatima (a.s.) nor from other females. They would bring him to the Holy Prophet (s.a) and he would place his thumb in his mouth and he would suck from it that much that would suffice him for two or three days. The flesh of al-Husayn (a.s.) grew from that of the Holy Prophet (s.a) and his blood from his blood. No one has ever been born after six months except Jesus son of Mary and al-Husayn ibn Ali (a.s.)." In another hadith from abu al-Hassan al-Rida (a.s.) it is said that the Holy Prophet (s.a) woulld come to al-Husayn and would place his tongue in his mouth and it would suffice him (as food) and that he did have any milk from any female.

And in Bihar, it is recorded: So the Almighty Allah gave the glad tidings to His Prophet that his Ahle Bayt (a.s.) will be the owners of the whole world. They will come back in Rajat (Return) and eliminate their enemies and then the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) conveyed the news of the slaying of Imam Husain (a.s.) to Lady Fatima (s.a.), hence she disliked the pregnancy.
Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) asked: Have you seen any lady who is given the good news of a male child and that she dislikes her pregnancy? But when Lady Fatima (s.a.) was informed about the slaying of this child, she was aggrieved and she found this pregnancy despicable.
وَوَضَعَتْهُ كُرْهًا
“…and with trouble did she bring him forth…” (Surah Ahqaf 46:16)
That is when she came to know that he would be slain, the delivery was also despicable. And Imam Hasan and Imam Husain (a.s.) both were born only after six months of pregnancy. And the period of nursing was twenty-four months. That is why, the Almighty Allah has said:
وَحَمْلُهُ وَفِصَالُهُ ثَلَاثُونَ شَهْرًا
“…and the bearing of him and the weaning of him was thirty months…” (Surah Ahqaf 46:15)

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Old 02-21-2017, 07:25 AM   #6
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This prophecy is similar to chapter 21 of the Revelation of St. John, which Abdulbaha interpreted.

The fulfilment and its historical parallel is in this way:
The Religion of God, which is likened to woman, became pregnant through the Marriage with the Manifestation of God. Then it says, six months is for giving birth, and the remaining 24 months for weaning. Each prophetic month is counted as a year.

The first six years, are the number of complete years which is the duration of the Revelation of the Bab, so, a new reality of the world of humanity be born. After that, another 24 years, are for weaning, so that it becomes independent. The first six years are, 1844-1850, and the remaining 24 years are 1850-1873, which is the year of completion of the Most Holy Book, which marks the Revelations of Bahaullah to have its own independent Laws completely. Then after that this new child, remained under the care and loving guidance of Bahaullah, until it reached a stage of maturity, and when 40 years passed, and mission of Bahaullah, who is the return of Imam Hussein, was completed, He ascended. At that time the spiritual reality of this new man, thanked and prayed God.
Another evidence for this interpretation, is that, the Abjad numerical value of 'Hamlahu' and 'fisalahu', which is rendered to as 'its bearing', and 'its weaning', together is equal to 289, which is an allusion to year 1289 A.H, the year of Completion of Aqdas, and the word 'Ashoddahu', which is rendered as 'its Maturity', is an allusion to the year of 'Shidad', which has a numerical value of 309. Year 1309 A.H, is the year of ascention of Bahaullah.

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Another fulfilment, and historical parallel of this prophecy, is as follows:
The Religion of the Bab was Pregnant with the Revelation of 'whom God shall make Manifest', and upon the completion of Nine months, it gave birth to the new Revelation, and the remaining 21 months, were required, for the new born Revelation to become fully independent, and upon completion of forty years, to reach its maturity. So did it come to pass, Bahaullah's mission begin in the ninth year, His Most Holy Book was revealed after 30 years, and His Revelation reached state of maturity in forty years, and then He ascended and another long occultation began.
 
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That is interesting, considering that 21 is the number of maturity in the United States and some other countries.
 
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That is interesting, considering that 21 is the number of maturity in the United States and some other countries.
Yes, also in Bahai Laws, to be eligible to vote or to be elected in assemblies, they must reach the Age of 21.
 
Old 02-23-2017, 03:17 PM   #10
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Surah Joseph:

"He said, "You will sow (for) seven years, as usual, and that which you reap so leave it in its ears except a little from you (will) eat. Then will come after that seven hard (years) (which will) consume what you advanced for them, except a little of what you (will) store. Then will come after that a year in it will be given abundant rain of the people and in it they will press."

The historical parallel of this, is as follows:

During the Seven years Revelation of the Bab, the Word of God, was sowed in the hearts, but when on the seventh year, the Bab was martyred, there came seven hard years, until Bahaullah returned from the Mountains of Suleymaniyah, and the Bab'is united around Him, and the Tablets were revealed again.
The first seven individual years, are from May 1844 to July 1850, during these years, the Bab revealed about half a million verses. The next seven individual hard years are from July 1850 to April 1856. (Here number of years intended, not complete duration), during these years, almost no Tablet were revealed, and the Bab'i community was almost exterminated. "Then will come after that a year in it will be given abundant rain of the people and in it they will press." , which is after, Bahaullah returned from Suleymaniyah, and more than 17000 tablets were revealed.

This is one fulfilment of these verses, but it also has at least another fulfilment.
"Then will come after that seven hard..."
The word that is translated as 'hard', is 'shidad' which has a numerical value of 309, and it is as allusion to the year 1309 A.H, when the 49 years of apostolic age of Bahai faith ended. (1260-1309 A.H)
In Arabic, there is a sign, called 'tashdeed', when it is put on a letter, it is sounded twice. 'Shidad', is an allusion that, this Seven, are to be Multiplied by seven. (seven 'shidad' = seven seven = 49). In this case, the 49 years are counted from beginning as it says "..what you advanced..", and "Then will come after that a year in it will be given abundant rain the people and in it they will press" is an allusion to Abdulbaha. The word that is translated as 'abundant rain', literally means 'Rescuer.'

The biblical parallel of the 49 years is in lev. 25:8

"You are also to count off seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years, so that you have the time of the seven sabbaths of years, namely, forty-nine years."


A hadith attributed to Muhammad is essential in understanding the inward aspects of the Quran, and is fundamental to Quranic exegesis:[9]

"The Quran possesses an external appearance and a hidden depth, an exoteric meaning and an esoteric meaning. This esoteric meaning in turn conceals an esoteric meaning so it goes on for seven esoteric meanings (seven depths of hidden depth)."
There is a statement made by the Imam, Jafar Sadiq (d. 765 CE):[9]

"The book of God comprises four things: the statement set down, the allusions, the hidden meanings relating to the supra-sensible world, and the exalted spiritual doctrines. The literal statement is for the ordinary believers. The allusions are the concern of the elite. The hidden meanings pertain to the friends of God. The exalted spiritual doctrines are the province of the prophets."
 
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it is recorded in Bihar that Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) said:
“Salih disappeared from his nation from a long time and the day he disappeared from them, he was an aged man of open stomach, beautiful body, dense beard, delicate abdomen, small cheeks, and when he returned to his people, they did not recognize him with the appearance he had.
When he came back, they were of three categories: One category rejected him saying, ‘Do not ever come back.’ One category doubted in him. And the last group of people was on certainty. When he came back, he began with the doubting congregation and said to them, ‘I am Salih’; they belied, cursed, and turned him down and said to him, ‘Allah has turned away from you. Salih was in a figure other than yours.’” The Imam said:
“He then came to the rejecters, but they did not listen to his word and dispersed from him in a very cruel manner. Then he walked to the third category, which were people of certainty about him, and said to them, ‘I am Salih.’ They said: ‘Give us a word with which we will not doubt you are Salih, for we do not doubt that Allah, the Exalted, is the Creator and He transfers and transforms His servants into any figure He desires. Salih had informed us and taught us when he was amongst us the sign of the Qaim when he comes. A word is true before us when it comes from the heavens.’
Salih said: ‘I am the Salih who brought you the calf.’
“They said: ‘You spoke the truth. This is what we have been studying.
What are its signs?’ “He said: ‘There is a drink for the calf, and a drink for you on a known day.’ “They said: ‘We believe in Allah and in what you have brought to us,’ At that time, did Allah, the Exalted, say, Salih is a messenger from his Lord. The people of certainty said: We believe what he has been sent with; and said the people who were haughty, who were the doubters and the rejecters, We disbelieve in that which you believe in.”
Zaid Shahham says, I asked, “Was there at that day a scholar amongst them?” The Imam said: “Allah, the Exalted, is more just than to leave the earth without a scholar who would guide to Allah, the Exalted.
The nation waited seven days after the exit of Salih, a period in which they did not know any Imam, except the Divine religion they had at their hands and their word was one. When Salih (a.s.) came back, they united around him. Verily, the example of Ali and the Qaim is like Salih.”
 
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"Salih disappeared from his nation from a long time and the day he disappeared from them, he was an aged man....". This is an allusion to Prophet Muhammad

"and when he returned to his people, they did not recognize him with the appearance he had...". This is an allusion to the Bab, who was reappearance of Muhammad


"When he came back, they were of three categories: One category rejected him saying, ‘Do not ever come back.’ One category doubted in him. And the last group of people was on certainty.". First group are those who banished the Bab, and martyred Him, so He never came back.....second group are other unbelievers, and third group are the one who believed in Him

"When he came back, he began with the doubting congregation and said to them, ‘I am Salih’; they belied, cursed, and turned him down and said to him, ‘Allah has turned away from you. Salih was in a figure other than yours.’...." ... this is an allusion to the Bab, who said, He is that same Muhammad, but they did not believe.

"Then he walked to the third category, which were people of certainty about him, and said to them, ‘I am Salih.’ They said: ‘Give us a word with which we will not doubt you are Salih, for we do not doubt that Allah, the Exalted, is the Creator and He transfers and transforms His servants into any figure He desires. Salih had informed us and taught us when he was amongst us the sign of the Qaim when he comes. A word is true before us when it comes from the heavens.’
Salih said: ‘I am the Salih who brought you the calf.’
“They said: ‘You spoke the truth. This is what we have been studying.
". This is an allusion to the Bab, revealing verses like Quran and having its knowledge as a proof.

"What are its signs?’ “He said: ‘There is a drink for the calf, and a drink for you on a known day....’". Allusion to Two Manifestations.


"At that time, did Allah, the Exalted, say, Salih is a messenger from his Lord....". Allusion that the Qaim is a Messenger of God, not just a successor of Muhammad.

"The nation waited seven days after the exit of Salih, a period in which they did not know any Imam, except the Divine religion they had at their hands and their word was one. When Salih (a.s.) came back, they united around him.". Allusion to seven years after Martyrdom of the Bab, and uniting Bab'is around Bahaullah, being reappearance of the Bab, when He returned from Mountain of Suleymaniyah.

"Verily, the example of Ali and the Qaim is like Salih.”
Ali is an allusion to Ali Muhammad, the Bab, and the Qaim is Bahaullah.
 
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In Bahai Faith, Ark is symbol of Religion of God. The flood is the Symbol of Revelation, the heavenly water sent down.
In Christian traditions, it took Noah 120 years to build the Ark. The flood duration is 40 days.

There are verses in Bible suggesting, a prophetic day, is counted as a year.

In Bahai Faith, the completion of Religion went through these stages: the Bab and Bahaullah revealed the Scriptures, Abdulbaha explained them, Shoghi Effendi implimented them, untill finally Universal House of Justice was established.
What are the number of years, to go through all these stages to complete the Religion?
120 years.

How long was the duration of revelation of Bahaullah? 40 years, or 40 prophetic days, each day counted a year.

Now think about what Jesus said:

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." matt. 24:37

To me, perhaps Jesus is giving a sign here, saying, if you want to recognize and know that the Son of Man has returned, look and see the similarities between His days, and the Days of Noah.

Are there similarities?
 
Old 05-06-2017, 03:47 AM   #14
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I like also the writings confirmed in new ways;

Psalm 51:10Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.11Do not cast me away from Your presence and do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. 12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation And sustain me with a willing spirit.

From Baha'u'llah

Create in me a pure heart, O my God, and renew a tranquil conscience within me, O my Hope! Through the spirit of power confirm Thou me in Thy Cause, O my Best-Beloved, and by the light of Thy glory reveal unto me Thy path, O Thou the Goal of my desire! Through the power of Thy transcendent might lift me up unto the heaven of Thy holiness, O Source of my being, and by the breezes of Thine eternity gladden me, O Thou Who art my God! Let Thine everlasting melodies breathe tranquillity on me, O my Companion, and let the riches of Thine ancient countenance deliver me from all except Thee, O my Master, and let the tidings of the revelation of Thine incorruptible Essence bring me joy, O Thou Who art the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden!

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...the writings confirmed in new ways;

Psalm 51:10Create in me a clean heart...
whoa neat!

Of course this means that even though I've almost finished memorizing the 'pure heart' prayer that now i got to start in w/ the 'clean heart' Psalm too...
 
Old 07-04-2017, 11:34 PM   #16
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whoa neat!

Of course this means that even though I've almost finished memorizing the 'pure heart' prayer that now i got to start in w/ the 'clean heart' Psalm too...
Well dome Pete, then only about 100 Volumes to go

Regards Tony
 
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