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Old 08-03-2014, 06:17 PM   #1
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Delusions of the Coming Messiah

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Above is a link of a flag incorporating images that have been coming to me over the last three weeks. I don't know if all of this even means anything or if I’m just some poor crazy woman spiraling into madness of her delusions but I thought it couldn’t hurt to divulge them. I feel compelled to tell someone.

I started having delusions that I’m supposed to play the role of the Whore of Babylon, America being Babylon incarnate to prophesize the coming Messiah. I don't actually believe this though technically “Babylon” has made us all its whores and slaves. I've only had three delusions over the last year and a half and never had them before. I thought it was strangely coincidental that I’ve been having them around significant cosmic events. The first during the Mayan Apocalypse fiasco at the end of 2012 and this last one three weeks ago that I later found out was during the beginning of the three weeks before the Tisha B’Av and has been continuing all the way through the three weeks so far. I didn’t even know what the Tisha B’Av was until I looked it up three days into my delusions. I also found out that this year is the tetrad blood moons which are a significant symbol for the Jewish people. Apparently there have only been eight tetrad blood moons in the last 2000 years that occurred on Passover and Sukkot consecutively. Allegedly they have occurred during the falling of both the First and Second Temples of Jerusalem and again when the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 around when Columbus discovered America. Columbus and the Europeans that came after him would of course start an Apocalypse of sorts for the Native Americans that were expelled and genocided from their lands. An Apocalypse for the African Diaspora who were enslaved during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. The European pale horsemen of the four horsemen if you want to look at it that way. These tetrad blood moons are also occurring on Passover and Sukkot consecutively for 2014 and 2015. There’s also a partial eclipse during Rosh Hashana. This is likely even more unusual that this is when the Earth starts to tilt the other direction, an event that the Mayans ended their calendar on.

My delusions keep telling me I’m supposed to prophesize the Second Coming because the messiah doesn’t know who he is and needs to be found just as the Dalai Lama must be found. He will need guidance and wisdom to accomplish his task, just as Jesus was guided by John the Baptist. He's a Sufi Yemeni. A reincarnation of Jesus. Sufi because it is the Islamic sect most closely aligned with the teachings of Jesus. He will go to Damascus wearing the pale yellow robes of the Buddhists and give the new gospel to the jihadists/mujahideen. Buddhism because he is a reincarnation and also because it is likely Egyptian Buddhist philosophers influenced the Jewish Essenes who likely influenced John the Baptist, a mentor of Jesus. He will teach them to slay the inner beast conquering the inner jihad. They will go out to preach the new gospel to others to conquer the outer jihad. They will lead the people to depose the antichrists of the world. Dictators and greedy billionaires that have made themselves gods.

There's a lot more but it's too wordy to put on a forum. I've tried telling others but they're understandably too skeptical. I thought a Baha'i forum might be interested. I don’t know if this has any significance but the blood moons are occurring directly over North America and if America is Babylon incarnate, it would make sense that the prophesy would be given to an American woman. I don't know if this is actually a prophesy or if it is, if it's even for me. Am I insane or is it Divine Intervention? I have no idea. Take what you will of it. I just saw a pattern and thought it was interesting and coincidental and felt I should share.

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The Whore of Babylon

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Old 08-03-2014, 08:06 PM   #2
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Good morning Eve

I use only the first of the two names you have given. It is that both names, in this context, so far as these eyes can see by reading, mean the same thing, so the use of one name by this self can be regarded as the use of both.

You write as one who has past the stages of your enthusiastic youth, but not yet to the stage of middle-aged. And your picture? I have seen this before.... ....somewhere.... ....a few years ago.

Delusional? There is always that possibility. Seeing things? Most definately, but purely in the sense that you are seeing these things.

There are a couple of answers. I state these without bias toward one or the other. First, we will put these possibilities forward, and then we will look at your visions in themselves.

One. You are developing a psychosis. Some of these when they develop lead to similar "delusional" behaviour, and they begin as one gets to an older stage of life. For example, I had a friend developed bi-polar in his early thirties. The psychiatrists stated that he was around that age when it would begin to manifest in some people, though they normally expected at a little earlier age. However, he developed the psychotic version, and only after his treatment had brought him back to a "normal" state did his family permit him back in contact. I have seen him only earlier this year after a gap of some decades, and he is again the loving, wise and understanding person I knew before his psychosis developed. But he dare not cease his medication, or he will become a not very nice person again I also shared a house once with a person who was schitzophrenic (spelling?) - that was both interesting, and a learning experience. And, some other experiences most would not regard as "normal". You do need to eliminate this possibility, but from everything I have heard of the American medical system (I am in Australia), that could be fun ... not.

Two, you are seeing actual things and events but, due to the nature of being in a material body, what you consciously see becomes garbled from what you are seeing spiritually. In the same way as dreams, which only rarely can be understood verbatum. This is not delusional behaviour, even if it appears as so, however it needs to be looked at dispassionately so that your behaviour does not get driven by delusional convictions.

My suggestion is that what you are seeing is a symbolic (nice way of saying garbled) vision of events. I have my reasons, which you will see a hint of below. You will be well aware of the Words of Baha'u'llah regarding another Messenger from God before the expiration of a thousand years - not gpoing to happen. Yet great people, inspired people, have arisen and will again arise. This may possibly be what you are seeing.

Every single one of us is born to this earth with a purpose. For some, it may appear to be a little thing. For some, it may be major involvement, even leadership, in the transmutation of world events from a materialistic society to a spiritual society. While there is a massive gradation of efforts tasks in-between.

Before I say more, you need to be aware that I have been delusional (maybe still am in some ways). I have "dreams". I have "visions". I have "knowings". I have had these for all my life that I can remember (am soon to be 64). In one of my delusional stages, I even wrote to the Universal House of Justice and told them how to do their job; received the most loving and understanding reply. Some who know me from some years ago may remember when I posted elsewhere a dream about aeroplanes being grounded in pouring rain - not long after, the Twin Towers went down. Two sides of the same coin - one wrong, one right.

If you are delusional, then we are both delusional. There are a few items in your list that correspond to things I have "seen" over the years, and some descriptions which word matters differently. The way we see these differs, and that is a good sign - it means we are human and thus our vision is fallible and thus unreliable, as is our understanding of what we have seen.

I still have "dreams". I still have "visions". I still find myself sometimes just "knowing" things. Comes with the territory Sometimes I wonder if it is all because of my own mental illness, but then something happens....

I would advise simply to accept what you see, but do not place too much of your own understanding upon it. When these events actually occur, you will look and you will say; "Ah, that is what it meant." If you are to be involved in some way in these events, you will not need to seek to be involved - God will ensure through His infallible guidance that you are involved in just the way He wishes. Take life as it comes, one moment at a time, one breath at a time, one day at a time, and do not try to pre-empt the future - in another place in this forum I have said that not only is the future a surprise, but it is full of surprises - for if you do, you take the first steps toward loss of reality, error and failure. Do what you can with love and kindness for those around you now for their betterment.

My last piece of advice - prayer. For guidance. For understanding. For assistance.

You will thus, through good actions now, through devotion to the One Who is beyond one or multiplicity, find that your path into the future will lead you to your destined work, and that what you do before then but prepares you for that work. Remain practical, for a true mystic has practical feet.

With my warmest greetings

Romane
 
Old 08-03-2014, 10:53 PM   #3
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Good morning Eve

I use only the first of the two names you have given. It is that both names, in this context, so far as these eyes can see by reading, mean the same thing, so the use of one name by this self can be regarded as the use of both.

You write as one who has past the stages of your enthusiastic youth, but not yet to the stage of middle-aged. And your picture? I have seen this before.... ....somewhere.... ....a few years ago.

Delusional? There is always that possibility. Seeing things? Most definately, but purely in the sense that you are seeing these things.

There are a couple of answers. I state these without bias toward one or the other. First, we will put these possibilities forward, and then we will look at your visions in themselves.

One. You are developing a psychosis. Some of these when they develop lead to similar "delusional" behaviour, and they begin as one gets to an older stage of life. For example, I had a friend developed bi-polar in his early thirties. The psychiatrists stated that he was around that age when it would begin to manifest in some people, though they normally expected at a little earlier age. However, he developed the psychotic version, and only after his treatment had brought him back to a "normal" state did his family permit him back in contact. I have seen him only earlier this year after a gap of some decades, and he is again the loving, wise and understanding person I knew before his psychosis developed. But he dare not cease his medication, or he will become a not very nice person again I also shared a house once with a person who was schitzophrenic (spelling?) - that was both interesting, and a learning experience. And, some other experiences most would not regard as "normal". You do need to eliminate this possibility, but from everything I have heard of the American medical system (I am in Australia), that could be fun ... not.

Two, you are seeing actual things and events but, due to the nature of being in a material body, what you consciously see becomes garbled from what you are seeing spiritually. In the same way as dreams, which only rarely can be understood verbatum. This is not delusional behaviour, even if it appears as so, however it needs to be looked at dispassionately so that your behaviour does not get driven by delusional convictions.

My suggestion is that what you are seeing is a symbolic (nice way of saying garbled) vision of events. I have my reasons, which you will see a hint of below. You will be well aware of the Words of Baha'u'llah regarding another Messenger from God before the expiration of a thousand years - not gpoing to happen. Yet great people, inspired people, have arisen and will again arise. This may possibly be what you are seeing.

Every single one of us is born to this earth with a purpose. For some, it may appear to be a little thing. For some, it may be major involvement, even leadership, in the transmutation of world events from a materialistic society to a spiritual society. While there is a massive gradation of efforts tasks in-between.

Before I say more, you need to be aware that I have been delusional (maybe still am in some ways). I have "dreams". I have "visions". I have "knowings". I have had these for all my life that I can remember (am soon to be 64). In one of my delusional stages, I even wrote to the Universal House of Justice and told them how to do their job; received the most loving and understanding reply. Some who know me from some years ago may remember when I posted elsewhere a dream about aeroplanes being grounded in pouring rain - not long after, the Twin Towers went down. Two sides of the same coin - one wrong, one right.

If you are delusional, then we are both delusional. There are a few items in your list that correspond to things I have "seen" over the years, and some descriptions which word matters differently. The way we see these differs, and that is a good sign - it means we are human and thus our vision is fallible and thus unreliable, as is our understanding of what we have seen.

I still have "dreams". I still have "visions". I still find myself sometimes just "knowing" things. Comes with the territory Sometimes I wonder if it is all because of my own mental illness, but then something happens....

I would advise simply to accept what you see, but do not place too much of your own understanding upon it. When these events actually occur, you will look and you will say; "Ah, that is what it meant." If you are to be involved in some way in these events, you will not need to seek to be involved - God will ensure through His infallible guidance that you are involved in just the way He wishes. Take life as it comes, one moment at a time, one breath at a time, one day at a time, and do not try to pre-empt the future - in another place in this forum I have said that not only is the future a surprise, but it is full of surprises - for if you do, you take the first steps toward loss of reality, error and failure. Do what you can with love and kindness for those around you now for their betterment.

My last piece of advice - prayer. For guidance. For understanding. For assistance.

You will thus, through good actions now, through devotion to the One Who is beyond one or multiplicity, find that your path into the future will lead you to your destined work, and that what you do before then but prepares you for that work. Remain practical, for a true mystic has practical feet.

With my warmest greetings

Romane

I'm well aware that this is bipolar. Think that's quite apparent with the delusions and feelings of grandiosity. I was diagnosed in 2009 but I still had these episodes even while I was on medication. I had some episodes of hypomania but never had full blown mania until 2012. I also have asperger's autism with savant skills in art and music. I have an uncanny ability to identify patterns.

I just figure that a lot of these symbols are ones that Ezekiel and Paul saw-- they were both also a bit off their rockers. Definitely a lot of delusional beliefs and feelings of grandiosity on their part. Think these are trademarks of pretty much every prophet. The lion, the ox, the man, and the eagle. Father God/universe, Mother Nature/Earth, Brother Man, One self respectively. Leader/arbitrater (lion). Nurturer/laborer/mediator (ox). Respect/love, wisdom and knowledge (man). Freewill and pursuit of happiness (eagle). When these things aren't in balance with each other, it causes discord and chaos. They're symbols that have recurred over and over again everywhere. Look up the Assyrian God Lamassu and the Hindu goddess Kamdhenu. Ezekiel and Paul were both Jewish Diaspora after the fall of the First and Second Temples of Jerusalem and likely noticed these recurring symbols and patterns among the religions of the gentiles. They may have realized the pattern and so wrote it down for anyone that might pick them up for the next stage of human progress. I wondered if maybe I'm seeing the same patterns.

The Olmec, Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs all believed history repeats itself which is why they went through great pains to keep track on their calendars with incredible cosmic precision. Coincidentally, all of them built pyramids very similar to the Egyptians so I guess history is repeating itself worldwide. Another thing, the Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs all predicted the fall of their own empires. The Mayans had the symbol of the eagle carrying a snake. The Aztecs a feathered serpent. The Incas an eagle, snake, and jaguar (their version of a lion), all just before the fall of their empires. Then the Spaniards came to conquer just as they were on their way to collapsing. The Aztecs thought Cortes was actually God when he came because he had an uncanny resemblance to Quetzacoatl. The American currency also has a symbol of an eagle carrying a phallic symbol. Currency virtually being the embodiment of free will. The bald eagle representing American spirit of pursuit of happiness and individualism. Possibly a phallic symbol from the Garden of Eden? The eagle of free will brings men to conquer to bring great change?

I just think that we shouldn't compartmentalize history as random events that have nothing to do with each other. Wouldn't you say that everything in your life has led you to the point that you are at now? Or are they just all random events that have nothing to do with each other? It is an intricate web of influence from many cultures and toward the end those cultures mesh. It's an endless cycle of destruction and creation and when creation is destroyed it is recreated even better with even more influences and lessons from cultures they absorbed. There is always an ends to a means and everything has a purpose and is intended.

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Old 08-04-2014, 12:59 AM   #4
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Good morning Eve

There are a few of us in this forum with bi-polar. Not an easy illness to live with. I often wish I had been diagnosed much earlier - for about 29 years out of the 33 or 34 years have been married, my wife had to put up with my behaviour. It took four breakdowns, the last one quite major, and then a good doctor, before diagnosis occured. And that after having been sent to three different psychologists over the years over problems with my behaviour and attitudes. (sigh).

You are perfectly correct. Life is not compartmentalised. History is not compartmentalised. There is a strong interlinked-ness from one event to another, all of them leading to the moment in infinity we term now. It is utterly indisputable that it has been a series of linked events (even when they do not appear to be so on the surface) which has led every one of us to where we stand now - our beliefs, our qualities, our intentions, our life-style and everything else about us. And that goes back to even before we ourselves were born. The events in our parents lives and society, and the events in their parents lives and society, and so on back to truly ancient times. History is a continuum, whether looked at over the short term or the longer term.

Anyhow, your thoughts are in agreement with the Writings of the Manifestations and the Words They have spoken regarding this matter.

Interesting, all these events occur in infinity. Time does not exist, but is merely a human invention for measuring the distance between one instant of infinity to another. While space itself is likewise infinite, and distance a human invention to measure the space between one object and another. They serve their purpose as constructs, and as such have strong value. How can we have one of the duo time and space being infinite and the other not? If one is infinite, both are infinite.

Just because we may have a mental illness, and have as a result "visions" and "dreams", does not mean that all those "visions" and "dreams" are delusional. Mental illness is not a physical illness but a spiritual illness, non-contagious, non-harming spiritually, and our psychologists and psychiatrists are our spiritual doctors - yes, they have come a long way, but they're still at such an early stage that the future will call them (as well as all of us) primatives. Some mis-alignment between the impulses from the spirit reaching our brain through the mind. Thus, sometimes these impulses will be delusional due to the interaction between the mind and the brain, due to this mis-alignment, or they can be of real things, but which we cannot or do not yet understand - like something slipped through by "accident", and our poor mortal selves are unable to properly, if at all, comprehend it. The chemical imbalances that modern medicine is claiming to be the cause of these illnesses are actually a symptom, and our medical science in the West is very good at treating symptoms - but we must agree, these seem to provide relief in most cases. Just wait till the science of medicine accepts the existence of the spiritual part of the human species (really big grin here)

With my warmest greetings

Romane
 
Old 08-04-2014, 02:11 PM   #5
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Dear friends this may be a little out of my knowledge area, not being diagnosed with Bi-polar. But I have dreams, even visions when awake, and hear at times a voice inside me telling me things that are always correct, have proved it over and over.

But I also consider myself quite sane, well as sane as others who consider themselves sane. Big smile

So visions, dreams and voices are not unusual, but as Romane says depends on how you act upon them.

I am most grateful for dear Romane's friendship and love.
He always has wise council.

Loving regards
 
Old 08-04-2014, 10:16 PM   #6
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I have dreams, even visions when awake, and hear at times a voice inside me telling me things that are always correct, have proved it over and over....
This is VERY interesting to me. I have heard about such experiences before and I also experienced it 3 or 4 times. I guess the things which a person hears are true guidances. I strive to be able to hear them all the time or whenever I want to... does anyone know any way to do it?
 
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Beloved friend Bill

Yes, we have known each other for quite some time (very soft smile). I conider the blessing to be mine, and your example often inspires me.

The major difference betwen the "visions", "dreams", and other "knowings" for a person with a mental illness and one without is that one with a mental illness can not always be sure that they are in reality or off to one side. To them at the time that is reality, but it most certainly is not the reality that is recognised, and can be quite aberant.

Now, I don't have sufficient knowledge of all mental illnesses. Bi-polar appears almost common, relatively speaking, while others, for example schitzophrenia, get less mention. I don't know enough about, for example, asperger's to make any comment, but on the surface these people too have a sidestepped view of reality.

It makes no matter. We wait, we see, and what appears in time to our eyes can then be recognised as true. Other things, as your experience shows you, will be consistent to the degree that we can in general accept them as true at the time. There is a capacity in intuition which serves rightly.

There are certain commonalities between what Eve described seeing, and things I have been seeing over the last 50 or more years. That I find interesting.

With my warmest greetings

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This is VERY interesting to me. I have heard about such experiences before and I also experienced it 3 or 4 times. I guess the things which a person hears are true guidances. I strive to be able to hear them all the time or whenever I want to... does anyone know any way to do it?
Dear friend, just my feeling, but I never strive to hear them all the time as you say.

I only accept when it happens, I consider it is when God desires, not something I have control over.

My friend Romane has explained the difference between what I experience and say someone with bi-Polar. it must be very confusing to not know the difference from reality or not, I have much to be thankful for.

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Beloved friend Bill

Yes, we have known each other for quite some time (very soft smile). I conider the blessing to be mine, and your example often inspires me.

The major difference betwen the "visions", "dreams", and other "knowings" for a person with a mental illness and one without is that one with a mental illness can not always be sure that they are in reality or off to one side. To them at the time that is reality, but it most certainly is not the reality that is recognised, and can be quite aberant.

Now, I don't have sufficient knowledge of all mental illnesses. Bi-polar appears almost common, relatively speaking, while others, for example schitzophrenia, get less mention. I don't know enough about, for example, asperger's to make any comment, but on the surface these people too have a sidestepped view of reality.

It makes no matter. We wait, we see, and what appears in time to our eyes can then be recognised as true. Other things, as your experience shows you, will be consistent to the degree that we can in general accept them as true at the time. There is a capacity in intuition which serves rightly.

There are certain commonalities between what Eve described seeing, and things I have been seeing over the last 50 or more years. That I find interesting.

With my warmest greetings

Romane
Dear Romane, my first wife, was very difficult at times, we ended up divorcing, sadly I found out years later that she had schizophrenia, sad I felt at the time, because if it had been diagnosed earlier maybe we would still be together, then of course maybe not.

I feel that our friend eve could not have a better or more loving friend to talk to than yourself. I leave you both to discuss these issues.
Loving regards dear eve.
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Those pyramids were built with similar shapes because it's a stable platform under our physics (they all tried other shapes before settling) Just a little bit of trivia for those who may ascribe more to it than is required. Of course history isn;t a list of random unrelated events, but that doesn;t mean that all historical events are related to each other in the manner that we may perceive.

Some questions about your "delusions"
-Do you hear the auditory portions, or is it a "seeming", if it's hearing, left - right, or stereo? Are the auditory portions largely masculine or feminine (or an even mix)?
-Are there any trigger events (that you can isolate)? Whats your proximity to water, how about livestock?
-Have you ever had experiences like this before?
 
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This is VERY interesting to me. I have heard about such experiences before and I also experienced it 3 or 4 times. I guess the things which a person hears are true guidances. I strive to be able to hear them all the time or whenever I want to... does anyone know any way to do it?
First, it is strongly recommended not to attempt to cultivate these experience, as it "interferes with the condition of the soul in the world to come." (See first quote below). In this connection, have compiled a very limited few of the quotes on the subject for perusal.

In the volume Lights of Guidance, compiled by Helen Basset Hornby, there is a whole section dealing with psychic phenomena. Some of these quotes come from that page.

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To tamper with psychic forces while in this world interferes with the condition of the soul in the world to come. These forces are real, but are not to be active on this plane.

The child in the womb has its eyes, ears, hands and feet, but these powers are not in activity. The whole purpose of the womb-life is the coming forth into this world. So, the whole purpose of this matrix-world life is the coming forth into the world of Reality, where all these (psychic) forces will be active. They belong to that world.
('Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i Scriptures, p. 442)
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The Guardian would suggest that you study very carefully the statement of 'Abdu'l-Bahá in connection with the question of visions, dreams, etc., as 'Abdu'l-Bahá has very fully explained this delicate subject. You will find references to this in 'Bahá'u'lláh and the New Era,' 'Some Answered Questions' and the Books of Tablets. The Guardian likewise has commented on this matter

Briefly, there is no question that visions occasionally do come to individuals, which are true and have significance. On the other hand, this comes to an individual through the grace of God, and not through the exercise of any of the human faculties. It is not a thing which a person should try to develop. When a person endeavors to develop faculties so that they might enjoy visions, dreams etc., actually what they are doing is weakening certain of their spiritual capacities; and thus under such circumstances, dreams and visions have no reality, and ultimately lead to the destruction of the character of the person.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, dated May 6, 1952, to an individual believer, Ibid, p. 4) - (Lights of Guidance, p. 515)
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First concerning visions; it is very difficult to distinguish between true visions which are true spiritual experiences of the soul and imaginations which have no reality in spiritual truths. True visions, however, can be granted to those who are spiritually pure and receptive, and are not therefore confined to the Prophets alone."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi dated November 26, 1939, to an individual believer Bahá'í News, No.152, p. 2, April 1942) - (Lights of Guidance, p. 514)
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Truly mystical experiences based on reality are very rare, and we can readily see how dangerous it is for people to go groping about in the darkness of their imagination after the true thing. That is why, as you point out, we are warned against all psychical practices by the Master.

If we are going to have some deeply spiritual experience we can rest assured God will vouchsafe it to us without having to look for it
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, dated October 25, 1942, to an individual believer, Ibid, p. 2) - (Lights of Guidance, p. 514)
If one experiences "visions", "dreams", "knowings", then one simply experiences them. If they are a genuine spiritual experience, we will see their fruition before our eyes sooner or later. If not, then the liklihood is that what we have seen is a product of our imagination. We, however, have no way of telling which at the time. People with certain conditions are liable to go through these more than "ordinary" people.

The general advice from this self would be simply to accept them when they happen, but, regardless the sense one gets from them, however exalted a sensation it may produce, don't make too much of them. If it is a genuine spiritual experience then time and God will provide the proof, not our sensations, our reasoning or other aspects we mortal human frames have. If the "dream", "knowing" or "vision" can have a positive effect on our characters and/or our ability to serve others, then we can proceed so, but under the guidance of the Sacred Texts, not our experience.

With my warmest greetings

Romane
 
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Those pyramids were built with similar shapes because it's a stable platform under our physics (they all tried other shapes before settling) Just a little bit of trivia for those who may ascribe more to it than is required. ...
Good to see a practical answer for the shape.

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We have nothing in our writings about the so-called prophecies of the Pyramids; so he does not think you need attach any importance to them.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, dated November 21, 1949, to an individual believer: Bahá’í News, No. 230, p. 1, April 1950: Spiritualism, Reincarnation and Related Subjects)
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:51 PM   #13
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Those pyramids were built with similar shapes because it's a stable platform under our physics (they all tried other shapes before settling) Just a little bit of trivia for those who may ascribe more to it than is required. Of course history isn;t a list of random unrelated events, but that doesn;t mean that all historical events are related to each other in the manner that we may perceive.

Some questions about your "delusions"
-Do you hear the auditory portions, or is it a "seeming", if it's hearing, left - right, or stereo? Are the auditory portions largely masculine or feminine (or an even mix)?
-Are there any trigger events (that you can isolate)? Whats your proximity to water, how about livestock?
-Have you ever had experiences like this before?
I never hear anything. It's all visual. I've never had episodes like this ever. No one around me even knows I'm having them. I'm just kind of catatonic, just staring off into space. I'm not high energy and excessively talking like most bipolars. I'm a bit irritable but I tell everyone I'm feeling irritable and to please forgive me and I will just stay in my room and write a lot. I mean, like...a lot.

I'm not around any livestock. I'm in a city. I have a dog but I think she's one of the things that makes me sane. lol. I'm in a really dry area. The South Plains in West Texas. I was taking an amino acid for a bit, l-methionine that might have triggered it but the delusions have continued for three weeks. I've never had anything like this. Not continuous like this.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 11:09 PM   #14
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Beloved friend Bill

Yes, we have known each other for quite some time (very soft smile). I conider the blessing to be mine, and your example often inspires me.

The major difference betwen the "visions", "dreams", and other "knowings" for a person with a mental illness and one without is that one with a mental illness can not always be sure that they are in reality or off to one side. To them at the time that is reality, but it most certainly is not the reality that is recognised, and can be quite aberant.

Now, I don't have sufficient knowledge of all mental illnesses. Bi-polar appears almost common, relatively speaking, while others, for example schitzophrenia, get less mention. I don't know enough about, for example, asperger's to make any comment, but on the surface these people too have a sidestepped view of reality.
Asperger's is a form of autism. It's a disorder where socialization, speech and emotion are inhibited. They often have sensory issues. They have severe tantrums and mood disorders and such. It's usually genetic but mine was likely attributed partially to genetics but mostly from having meningitis as a baby. I had several years of special ed and speech therapy. I fortunately had a very supportive and patient mother. Some people with this disorder have savant skills where they are unusually talented in something. Look it up. It's very interesting. I have savant skills in art and music. I taught myself piano and can make up elaborate songs just like that. It just flows out of me. I also obsessively play puzzle games like sudoku, minesweeper, card games, build puzzles, rubik's cube. I'm quite a hermit and very private but I do enjoy talking to people.
 
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Asperger's is a form of autism. It's a disorder where socialization, speech and emotion are inhibited. They often have sensory issues. They have severe tantrums and mood disorders and such. It's usually genetic but mine was likely attributed partially to genetics but mostly from having meningitis as a baby. I had several years of special ed and speech therapy. I fortunately had a very supportive and patient mother. Some people with this disorder have savant skills where they are unusually talented in something. Look it up. It's very interesting. I have savant skills in art and music. I taught myself piano and can make up elaborate songs just like that. It just flows out of me. I also obsessively play puzzle games like sudoku, minesweeper, card games, build puzzles, rubik's cube. I'm quite a hermit and very private but I do enjoy talking to people.
I have a good friend who has Asbergers and has had some very grandiose "visions", attributing all sorts of great movies and books which he attributes to his contact with the authors and writers as a child when he was about 8 years old, none of which are corroborated by lifetime friends and family. He had a severe mental breakdown about 10 years ago and developed these delutions while reconstructing an identity for himself. Anyway, some of what you say reminds me of his symptoms.

If you can put your visions on hold until you come down, no matter how real and intense they are at the time, and just hold onto the knowledge of a true perspective will follow, and not be embarrassed for the big ones, people can still accept you as a friend, and be sincere in caring for you and trying to understand. My friend got to the point where was able to consider that maybe his were in fact delusions, but then retreats into the fantasy when pushed or not feeling safe, as I have observed.

Where the Messiah images appear, you know that we seek patterns to make sense of the world and when we are cranked up that high in our perceived reality an identity in it, our role, tends to be visionary, at least in one's own perception of the role. A trusted friend and confident who actually cares about us can help be helpful in riding it out.
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As Baha'is, we recognizethat the long awaitef 'Messiah" Figure has appeared in the person of Baha'u'llah, and it is Him we put our Faith, study His teachings, connecting the dots from His Pen, as He draws us higher to our true spiritual reality.
Wish you well and healing through whatever means
Allah'u'Abha
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Good morning Rhythmics
Good to see a practical answer for the shape.
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Yeah, you know, no reason to jump to the magical before we exhaust earthly conditions eh? As an addition, and this is something that most people would get a chuckle about, the egyptians actually started with step mastabas (from the 1st dynasty), and then attempted to lay an impressively angled peak on one of them(right around the beginnings of the "old kingdom". The structure collapsed during construction due to a poor understanding of architectural principles and the strength of stone in compressive and sheer conditions. It collapsed, conveniently, into the shape of a pyramid (and remains in this state to this day, the project was abandoned). Right around this time we begin to see "pyramid shaped" pyramids start to crop up (and pyramids are often not quite as pyramid shaped as we think they are - many tricks of the eye were used to create an imposing visual effect - these were instruments of state power...never forget it). Most pyramids were first built as mastaba bases (and everything contasined within a pyramid is generally contained within this structure). They then layed step mastabas on top into the form of a step pyramid, finally adding a layer of casing stone all around to give us that smooth triangular shape. They were often glazed with a type of quartz lime after all was said and done - and so they would have twinkled in the day and in the night like lighthouses or beacons announcing their presence to those out in the desert- a reminder from the peoples of the "Land of the Red Earth" of who was in charge. Talk about learning from your mistakes eh? The pyramid shape is simply the shape that a pile of stone rubble would naturally fall into, and the same reasons that rubble does this account for the strength and longevity of later pyramids modeled after the consequences of this catastrophe. Notice that the meso-american pyramids remained step pyramids, they never seemed to have had such a building catasrophe to have learned from (though what the jungle may be hiding is something I always like to ponder) While this does account for the preponderance of pyramids in the world - I do want to nod the hat to cultural contact dating much farther back than we previously envisioned. We once thought it was unreasonable to assume contact between egypt and the peoples of s. america, for example, but discoveries in a vast array of fields have shown this to have been a grave miscalculation. It's just that -in this case- we don;t even need cultural contact (let alone mystical coincidence) to explain the existence of a human structure. The temple complexes of central america are entirely unlike those of egypt, both in material and construction methods/principles. That we see them as being so similar has more to do with our ability to observe general patterns while ignoring fine detail (something that the pyramids builders themselves clearly could not afford to do). Hopefully, one day, we'll have as robust an understanding with regards to meso-american temple construction as time has allowed us with regards to old world pyramids. Might be awhile though, we're always finding new temples(or potential new temples) buried under the forest canopy (sattellite imagery ftw) - but they're often remote, and in extremely hostile areas not conducive to thorough academic investigation.

(I felt that I glossed over that a bit too hastily in my last post - because I wanted to hear more about these visions.)

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Again dear Romane such wise words, I have quoted them again below, something always to remember when one experiences things that others may not.

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If one experiences "visions", "dreams", "knowings", then one simply experiences them. If they are a genuine spiritual experience, we will see their fruition before our eyes sooner or later. If not, then the liklihood is that what we have seen is a product of our imagination. We, however, have no way of telling which at the time. People with certain conditions are liable to go through these more than "ordinary" people.

The general advice from this self would be simply to accept them when they happen, but, regardless the sense one gets from them, however exalted a sensation it may produce, don't make too much of them. If it is a genuine spiritual experience then time and God will provide the proof, not our sensations, our reasoning or other aspects we mortal human frames have. If the "dream", "knowing" or "vision" can have a positive effect on our characters and/or our ability to serve others, then we can proceed so, but under the guidance of the Sacred Texts, not our experience.
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Asperger's is a form of autism. It's a disorder where socialization, speech and emotion are inhibited. They often have sensory issues. They have severe tantrums and mood disorders and such. It's usually genetic but mine was likely attributed partially to genetics but mostly from having meningitis as a baby. I had several years of special ed and speech therapy. I fortunately had a very supportive and patient mother. Some people with this disorder have savant skills where they are unusually talented in something. Look it up. It's very interesting. I have savant skills in art and music. I taught myself piano and can make up elaborate songs just like that. It just flows out of me. I also obsessively play puzzle games like sudoku, minesweeper, card games, build puzzles, rubik's cube. I'm quite a hermit and very private but I do enjoy talking to people.
Dear eve I am a little like you in a love of puzzle games, I spend some time at this, I feel it keeps my old brain active and functioning. big smile

But as for your musical ability, this was never mine, sadly
But I love to listen to others play, oh so wonderful. Sad you do not live close by.

Loving regards to you.
 
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Good morning my dear sister First, it is strongly recommended not to attempt to cultivate these experience,
thank you really for giving me information me about the danger. I haven't heard about it before. I still really like to be able to HEAR again (because I have heard some times in the past) but I won't strive for it anymore
 
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thank you really for giving me information me about the danger. I haven't heard about it before. I still really like to be able to HEAR again (because I have heard some times in the past) but I won't strive for it anymore
Dear spiritual sister, if God wishes to tell you something, you will hear.
You are not meant to strive for it, possibly then this gift will be taken away, just my feeling.
You would be I feel come attached to the idea, and then the ego ever present would be interested and possibly lead astray.
I feel I must add dear friend, in my lifetime, I think I have heard only about four times, some instruction and very brief messages at that, with patience I have found the instruction true.

Loving regards

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