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Old 09-08-2014, 02:16 PM   #41
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. Yeah, this is what I most enjoy, the very loving spirit, but it seems to be mixed in with a self-certainty that only they are loved by God. Not being open to people of other systems of belief confuses me, and how superior and judgemental some of the more zealous types can be.

. Then I have to examine my own self to see if my approach or attitude is tainted by self in some way, and it leaves me a little unsure. "Did I just make that happen?" referring to the sense of a kind of clash felt.

. There are some sort of dynamics that are set in motion when religion is brought up. It awakens something within us which is asleep. Then, as this part of us is awakened, whatever is inside us unfolds in the outer world. This applies to everyone, I think.







. So whether there is love or defensive, or even aggressive feelings and emotions, whatever it is, becomes visible and apparent in our interaction with others. Whether it is coming from "them", or "us". If there is division, that becomes apparent. If it is unity, then that becomes apparent.

. People divide so easily. Especially over religion. Knowing when to back off is important. Don't cast lit matches near the fireworks. Some folks have alot of fireworks they're hiding.
Things are so different today, or at least for me...maybe I was sheltered, I don't know. I was brought up in the Episcopal church, always had a strong faith in God and Jesus, but began to question church doctrine as I got older. But where I grew up, religion and politics were never discussed...you didn't meet some one and the first thing out of your mouth is...where do you go to church? Your weren't ask your political beliefs you did your civic duty and that was that. Nowadays, people seem to get in your face about these two things in particular. So, personally, I find it difficult to share a lot about my faith, unless its with someone I know. I will always answer any questions I am asked...and I have volunteered some information to some good born again Christians friends, who I love dearly. We just agree to disagree, I guess. Although now, and I don't know if the rest of you feel this way too, but I worry about them, because they have heard the Greatest Name and turned away. It just gets a bit troubling sometimes...knowing exactly how to handle yourself in this world.

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Old 09-08-2014, 03:35 PM   #42
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Although now, and I don't know if the rest of you feel this way too, but I worry about them, because they have heard the Greatest Name and turned away. It just gets a bit troubling sometimes...knowing exactly how to handle yourself in this world.
Yeah, it is troubling. I think its supposed to be that way. I really do. Unless we are troubled with this stuff, we aren't being tested, and if we aren't tested, how can we say we believe?

"Do they think when they say: "We believe!" they shall be let alone and not put to test?"

When Mulla Husayn rode through Barfurush, the crowd was so impressed!! Many hopped on board as new Babis. Then the persecutions began, and most of them abandoned their new Faith.

When we make mention of the Greatest Name, yes, a great power is released, and when people hear that Name, they are affected on some level, however subtle.

A seed is planted. Later, someone adds a few drops of water. Another holds a mirror with sunlight. If nature takes this long for the development of the biological nature, what is the timetable of the soul?

There are spiritual forces at world of which we have no control. Appealing to the Supreme Concourse for help is always the best way. They have abandoned their mortal frames, and are not "apparant" to our mortal eyes, but they are more present than we are. When we learn to rely upon them in our teaching work, the evidences of their doings appears, even to us, at times.

"If you wish to experience the confirmations of God, you will find it in rich abundance in the teaching field." Shoghi Effendi

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Although now, and I don't know if the rest of you feel this way too, but I worry about them, because they have heard the Greatest Name and turned away. It just gets a bit troubling sometimes...knowing exactly how to handle yourself in this world.
It is indeed troubling at times, but as Baha'u'llah is the Father of all, not just Baha'is, He counsels us to pray for those who haven't yet recognized Him, and the Writings remind us that we have plenty to do to keep our own furrows straight --- there are no guarantees for anyone.

"He should forgive the sinful, and never despise his low estate, for none knoweth what his own end shall be. How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!" --Gleanings, p 266


Shoghi Effendi calls us the "generation of the half-light."

"To us, the “generation of the half-light,” living at a time which may be designated as the period of the incubation of the World Commonwealth envisaged by Bahá’u’lláh, has been assigned a task whose high privilege we can never sufficiently appreciate, and the arduousness of which we can as yet but dimly recognize. We may well believe, we who are called upon to experience the operation of the dark forces destined to unloose a flood of agonizing afflictions, that the darkest hour that must precede the dawn of the Golden Age of our Faith has not yet struck. Deep as is the gloom that already encircles the world, the afflictive ordeals which that world is to suffer are still in preparation, nor can their blackness be as yet imagined. We stand on the threshold of an age whose convulsions proclaim alike the death-pangs of the old order and the birth-pangs of the new. Through the generating influence of the Faith announced by Bahá’u’lláh this New World Order may be said to have been conceived. We can, at the present moment, experience its stirrings in the womb of a travailing age—an age waiting for the appointed hour at which it can cast its burden and yield its fairest fruit." --Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Baha'u'llah, pp 168-169

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