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Old 07-04-2016, 03:57 AM   #1
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Random thought : Bayan and Alchemy

I have often been terrified by the Bayan, as the Book of the Bab is much strange and doesn't compete with the sacred Books formerly revealed to the Prophets and with the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

But as I think upon this, it now appears to me that the writings of the Gate consist in raw material that is alchemically transmutated by Baha'u'llah into his own Scriptures (it is rather obvious with the Book of Aqdas).

And the secret of the Bayan, the way we should perhaps comprehend it, is that it was meant to be transformed and accomplished by Baha'u'llah, in the same way that chemical agents are to be transformed by a scientist to become a new medicine.
 
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Old 07-04-2016, 07:33 AM   #2
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Can you please give an example of particular verse or paragraph in Bayan, and the transformed version of it, in the Writings of Bahaullah?
 
Old 07-04-2016, 08:28 AM   #3
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I have often been terrified by the Bayan, as the Book of the Bab is much strange and doesn't compete with the sacred Books formerly revealed to the Prophets and with the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

But as I think upon this, it now appears to me that the writings of the Gate consist in raw material that is alchemically transmutated by Baha'u'llah into his own Scriptures (it is rather obvious with the Book of Aqdas).
You may find this explanation of interest:


The third idea which is found in the writings of Baha’u’llah... is that alchemy has a metaphorical value in its description of the interior transformation of man. There exists on this point a passage in the “Book of Certitude” which treats of the spiritual transformation which is experienced by the disciples of the Prophets:

“It is evident that nothing short of this mystic transformation could cause such spirit and behaviour, so utterly unlike their previous habits and manners, to be made manifest in the world of being. For their agitation was turned into peace, their doubt into certitude, their timidity into courage. Such is the potency of the Divine Elixir, which, swift as
the twinkling of an eye, transmuteth the souls of men!"

“For instance, consider the substance of copper. Were it to be protected in its own mine from becoming solidified, it would, within the space of seventy years, attain to the state of gold. There are some, however, who maintain that copper itself is gold, which by becoming solidified is in a diseased condition, and hath not therefore reached its own state."

“Be that as it may, the real elixir will, in one instant, cause the substance
of copper to attain the state of gold, and will traverse the seventy-year stages in a single moment. Could this gold be called copper? Could it be claimed that it hath not attained the state of gold, whilst the touchstone is at hand to assay it and distinguish it from copper?”

It is of course a metaphor. Copper represents the soul of man and the seventy years represent the
terrestrial duration of human life. The mine is his body, representing the terrestrial world. If the copper man does not succumb to the attachments of this world (solidification), then in him will be manifested the divine qualities, that is to say, he will be transformed into gold.

“Likewise, these souls, through the potency of the Divine Elixir, traverse, in the twinkling of an eye, the world of dust and advance into the realm of holiness; and with one step cover the earth of limitations and reach the domain of the Placeless."

"It behooveth thee to exert thine utmost to attain unto this Elixir which, in one fleeting breath, causeth the west of ignorance to reach the east of knowledge, illuminates the darkness of night with the resplendence of the morn, guideth the wanderer in the wilderness of doubt to the wellspring of the Divine Presence and Fount of certitude,and conferreth upon mortal souls the honor of acceptance into the Ridván of immortality. Now, could this gold be thought to be copper, these people could likewise be thought to be the same as before they were endowed with faith.”

http://bahai-library.com/pdf/l/lepai...eology_god.pdf

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Old 07-04-2016, 05:55 PM   #4
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Oh, you're a deep soul, GoaForce. I'd love to hear your story one day.

Rappelle-toi cette trčs douce flamme
Que tu voulais allumer dans les coeurs
Ce feu du ciel, tu l'as mis en mon âme,
Je veux aussi répandre ses ardeurs.


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Old 07-05-2016, 06:08 AM   #5
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the Book of the Bab is much strange and doesn't compete with the sacred Books formerly revealed to the Prophets
I disagree. The Bayan outlined a clear, concise explanation for why every prophet was given the supernatural powers that they were given, and why the powers of some differed greatly from the powers of others.

I had not seen any other book that explained the same topic.

I think it very much "competes" with the other sacred Books, assuming by "compete" you meant "attain the same level of profoundness and spirituality" as the other Books.
 
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I disagree. The Bayan outlined a clear, concise explanation for why every prophet was given the supernatural powers that they were given, and why the powers of some differed greatly from the powers of others.

I had not seen any other book that explained the same topic.

I think it very much "competes" with the other sacred Books, assuming by "compete" you meant "attain the same level of profoundness and spirituality" as the other Books.
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Adam was the seed, watered by Noah, One shoot by Abraham, a couple of leaves by Moses, a few more by Jesus, a bunch of thorns cast out by Muhammad, the bud is the Bab, and the blooming Rose is Baha'u'llah
 
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