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Old 06-19-2017, 11:29 AM   #1
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Why does blindness exist?

As he walked along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned; he was born blind so that God’s works might be revealed in him.
We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

When he had said this, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva and spread the mud on the man’s eyes, saying to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam”. Then he went and washed and came back able to see. (John 9:17)


Blindness could at first be considered an evil that God should not allow to exist. But I think blindness (in both its literal and symbolic meaning) exists so that it can be healed. Blindness is, perhaps, nothing but the opportunity for a much greater light.

Jesus and Bahá'u´lláh are no longer on this world. But I know their Light is alive in you, my friends.

I now know that Bahá'u'llah, through the Baha'is who have created websites and forums like this, is spitting on the ground, and spreading the resulting mud over my eyes.
Now I must go and wash myself. This is my part. No one can do it on my behalf. It's taking a while but I hope that, through muddy eyes, I will start seeing the Light.

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Old 06-20-2017, 07:18 AM   #2
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Devil is source of death, illness and disasters , God is contradiction of devil, so simple, there is not any philosophy
 
Old 06-20-2017, 07:43 AM   #3
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As he walked along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned; he was born blind so that God’s works might be revealed in him.
We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

When he had said this, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva and spread the mud on the man’s eyes, saying to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam”. Then he went and washed and came back able to see. (John 9:17)


Blindness could at first be considered an evil that God should not allow to exist. But I think blindness (in both its literal and symbolic meaning) exists so that it can be healed. Blindness is, perhaps, nothing but the opportunity for a much greater light.

Jesus and Bahá'u´lláh are no longer on this world. But I know their Light is alive in you, my friends.

I now know that Bahá'u'llah, through the Baha'is who have created websites and forums like this, is spitting on the ground, and spreading the resulting mud over my eyes.
Now I must go and wash myself. This is my part. No one can do it on my behalf. It's taking a while but I hope that, through muddy eyes, I will start seeing the Light.
I believe the Path is just as important as the Destination, so what you say makes a lot of sense to me. In fact, the Path is perhaps more important to us, individually, than the Destination, since the metaphorical Destination (absolute knowledge of God) is impossible to reach (a finite mind cannot contain infinite knowledge), then it must be true that the Path towards the infinite, unreachable, must have value in and of itself.

Therefore, if we are talking about metaphorical blindness at the very least, we strive to incrementally heal ourselves and work towards greater and greater vision. We can never arrive at Perfect Vision, with a level of detail rivaling that of an eagle and a level of color rivaling that of a mantis shrimp, but we can grow closer and closer to that impossible goal. And in the drive to gain Perfect Vision there is value in and of itself in attempt to strive for healing of this blindness.

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Devil is source of death, illness and disasters , God is contradiction of devil, so simple, there is not any philosophy
I've never really understood that viewpoint, that God could not have created bad things so that it must be the work of the Devil. But then, even in that view, God has created the Devil, so how is any perceived ethical dilemma resolved by that worldview??
 
Old 06-20-2017, 10:07 AM   #4
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Greetings Camachoe,

Here is wishing you well on your personal journey.

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Old 06-21-2017, 08:45 PM   #5
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God is love

Walrus - Your God is not so love kindness that he created blind children? If Satan not exist, why God allow innocent child to suffer? Your God isn't True God, isn't not God full of kindness, who can heal the blindness and support suffering innocent people! My God is Healer not observer of suffering!
 
Old 06-22-2017, 07:42 AM   #6
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The problem of why evil exists deserves a thread... maybe it already exists in the Forum

Regarding evil caused by independent free-will agents,
Both the traditional view of a literal Satan, or the enlightened view of a symbolic satan within the mind of humans, bring the question: Why would God create entities with the capacity for choosing evil?

And then, for "evil" caused by natural causes not bound to free will, such as earthquakes, gene mutations or a piano falling accidentally from a building on a pedestrian, why would an All-Powerful Loving God allow this to happen?

This is perhaps the toughest philosophical problem presented to religion.

I remember watching a movie where a young religious lady is trying to bring consolation to her sister who is dying from cancer: "I envy you... I envy you with all my heart because you will very soon be in the presence of God". The dying sister then replies "I can ask God to take your life too if that's what you want..."

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Old 06-22-2017, 08:19 AM   #7
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Walrus - Your God is not so love kindness that he created blind children? If Satan not exist, why God allow innocent child to suffer? Your God isn't True God, isn't not God full of kindness, who can heal the blindness and support suffering innocent people! My God is Healer not observer of suffering!
See, I get the basic premise of what you're going for. "God wouldn't allow innocent people to suffer".

But how is a God creating, say, natural causes that cause a child to become blind any different from a God who creates a devil who is able to create natural causes that cause a child to become blind??

In both situations God is "causing" the situation that leads to the child's blindness. So while I do understand the moral dilemma that you've got that inspires your belief in the Devil I just don't see how the addition of the Devil truly solves anything. Either way God created something that lead to "suffering".

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The problem of why evil exists deserves a thread... maybe it already exists in the Forum

Regarding evil caused by independent free-will agents,
Both the traditional view of a literal Satan, or the enlightened view of a symbolic satan within the mind of humans, bring the question: Why would God create entities with the capacity for choosing evil?

And then, for "evil" caused by natural causes not bound to free will, such as earthquakes, gene mutations or a piano falling accidentally from a building on a pedestrian, why would an All-Powerful Loving God allow this to happen?

This is perhaps the toughest philosophical problem presented to religion.

I remember watching a movie where a young religious lady is trying to bring consolation to her sister who is dying from cancer: "I envy you... I envy you with all my heart because you will very soon be in the presence of God". The dying sister then replies "I can ask God to take your life too if that's what you want..."
Agreed!! It is a fascinating topic, and one that I find involves the Creation Story!! Plus my views on it draw heavily from my background with Taoism which I enjoy talking about. I'll try to start a thread on it later today.
 
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I believe the Path is just as important as the Destination, so what you say makes a lot of sense to me. In fact, the Path is perhaps more important to us, individually, than the Destination, since the metaphorical Destination (absolute knowledge of God) is impossible to reach (a finite mind cannot contain infinite knowledge), then it must be true that the Path towards the infinite, unreachable, must have value in and of itself.

Therefore, if we are talking about metaphorical blindness at the very least, we strive to incrementally heal ourselves and work towards greater and greater vision. We can never arrive at Perfect Vision, with a level of detail rivaling that of an eagle and a level of color rivaling that of a mantis shrimp, but we can grow closer and closer to that impossible goal. And in the drive to gain Perfect Vision there is value in and of itself in attempt to strive for healing of this blindness.



I've never really understood that viewpoint, that God could not have created bad things so that it must be the work of the Devil. But then, even in that view, God has created the Devil, so how is any perceived ethical dilemma resolved by that worldview??
God created Lucifer, the highest ranking and most beautiful angel,who by use of free will led a rebellion against God
 
Old 06-22-2017, 05:01 PM   #9
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God created Lucifer, the highest ranking and most beautiful angel,who by use of free will led a rebellion against God
I am not talking about Iblis/Lucifer/Satan, the Angel who rebelled against God.

I am talking about Iblis/Lucifer/Satan, the being humans imagine has tangible power on earth. Detached souls have the gift of intercession. By the nature of the gift, an Attached spirit, such as an angel who rebels out of vanity, attached as he is to his own self image, cannot attain the gift of intercession.

In no scriptural source in the Bible, Quran, or Baha'i Writings is it written that this entity has the power to cause natural disasters and the like. The closest he ever comes to having that power is in the Book of Job (which I think is contradicted by the Quran, which is of higher authority, but I'd need to check), but in the narrative of Job, Lucifer is still in God's good graces and everything he does is by God's power and explicit permission. The only other "power" he demonstrates is in trying to tempt other people (Jesus, arguably Eve) to do something within their own power.

Metaphysical belief in the devil, a rebellious angel, has basis in scripture.

Metaphysical belief in the devil, an entity that has tangible power over humanity, has no scriptural basis whatsoever.

'Abdu'l-Baha says that we need four different criteria working together to arrive at the truth: Observation, Logic, Scripture, and Intuition. If all four criteria are not used together, the truth cannot be found, and I see no way to find this specific Devil in any Scripture (excluding scriptures I do not believe in, like those of the Manichean Faith).
 
Old 06-23-2017, 06:40 AM   #10
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The problem of why evil exists deserves a thread
Problem of Evil Thread: The Problem of Evil
 
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