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Old 06-30-2017, 10:28 AM   #1
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Why should we fight disease, poverty and death ?

If our body is just a cage from which we want to be freed...a cage that will be buried, decomposed and forgotten...
If the years in this body are nothing compared with the eternity after this body...

Why to bother at all about this material existence?
Why to fight vigorously to eliminate extreme poverty, or disease? Why to prevent accidents and war?
If our pains are the way we are tested by God to grow spiritually, why should we try to stop or soften such test?
Why to spend time and energy trying to build a new order in this material world, if it is just material and transient?

I would love to know what you think.

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Old 06-30-2017, 11:04 AM   #2
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This living in the material body in this material world is a gift of God to us humans. We need this material stage in order to gain some understanding which without this stage we could not gain. so, we have to try to protect it as best as we can, for if we do not, it is like we are telling to God, "Hey God! I do not want this gift of yours. I want to come to you sooner!" then God will say, "Really? you are not even polite enough to thank Me for My gift to you, and not wise enough to see that I never give Gifts unless they are really needed."

To live in this world, in the physical body, is nothing but pain and sadness (and ok, some brief happiness!). but, it is from God and thus we have to respect it.
 
Old 06-30-2017, 01:43 PM   #3
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Life is a gift and Life is as wonderful as you make it.

The Kingdom of God is within you.

Luke 17:21

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Old 06-30-2017, 11:24 PM   #4
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Think of the baby in the womb. Why does it bother to take nourishment from its mother if it is only going to be born into the world? Why bother with anything if the womb is not permanent?

We cannot begin to conceive of what the afterlife will be like, just like a baby could have no way of knowing what life would be like outside the womb. We do know, however, through the teachings of the Manifestations how to better prepare ourselves for it. There are many spiritual things that are good for our development. Just like a baby cannot ignore the reality of the womb if it wants to develop, we cannot ignore the reality of this life. The difference between our lives and the womb is that God has given us more awareness of what is happening and what needs to be done. Perhaps not as much awareness as we'd like, but that is how it is.
 
Old 07-01-2017, 12:29 AM   #5
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I would love to know what you think.
Great questions.

My answer: Because all the worlds of God are interconnected.
 
Old 07-01-2017, 09:30 AM   #6
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Great questions.

My answer: Because all the worlds of God are interconnected.
Reminds me of the old Hermeticism doctrine: "As Above, So Below".
 
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The human body is a gift from God and should be cherished as such
 
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That's my feeling too AidanK
 
Old 07-02-2017, 08:21 AM   #9
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If our body is just a cage from which we want to be freed...a cage that will be buried, decomposed and forgotten...
If the years in this body are nothing compared with the eternity after this body...

Why to bother at all about this material existence?
Why to fight vigorously to eliminate extreme poverty, or disease? Why to prevent accidents and war?
If our pains are the way we are tested by God to grow spiritually, why should we try to stop or soften such test?
Why to spend time and energy trying to build a new order in this material world, if it is just material and transient?

I would love to know what you think.
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Reminds me of the old Hermeticism doctrine: "As Above, So Below".
Have you guys read "The Cosmological Journey of Neo: An Islamic Matrix"? It is a 19 page paper comparing Shaykh Ahmad's thought to the movie The Matrix. I think it touches on a few of the questions above--such as this one: "If our body is just a cage from which we want to be freed...a cage that will be buried, decomposed and forgotten...why bother at all with this material existence?"

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Old 07-02-2017, 08:52 AM   #10
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A pretty stupid question inmo. So as soon as your able just kill yourself or try to shorted your live as best as possible? what's the point of life if it's meaningless...
 
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Life is a gift and Life is as wonderful as you make it.

The Kingdom of God is within you.

Luke 17:21
Literal eternal life is possible, if you don't believe you don't believe the God,
Baha’u'llah said truth that resurection of Jesus is myth was symbolical
But resurection og death is possible because God has mercy and he is omnipotence to doing everything what is good, life is good, death finally is abomination
Life is blessing, eternal life come from mercy, so why a lot of early Christians died hopeless, they are witness of God, strong in faith that God says truth, his power will r raise them up to life

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Old 07-03-2017, 02:53 AM   #12
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Literal eternal life is possible, if you don't believe you don't believe the God,
Baha’u'llah said truth that resurection of Jesus is myth was symbolical
But resurection og death is possible because God has mercy and he is omnipotence to doing everything what is good, life is good, death finally is abomination
Life is blessing, eternal life come from mercy, so why a lot of early Christians died hopeless, they are witness of God, strong in faith that God says truth, his power will r raise them up to life

I respect your views.
 
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Edited.

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Old 07-03-2017, 05:28 AM   #14
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Thanks for all your insights. They have been very helpful.

It is true that this mortal life and this material world are a gift of God . It is true that they are essential for our spiritual growth.

Now, there is something I would like to add.

This mortal life, this material world, are enjoyable.
This body of mine, however transient, is home. This planet our ours, however transient, is home... and we love home and we care about it.

Bahá'u'llah warns us against both materialism (with its corresponding hedonism) and asceticism.
Materialism gets us attached to this world. Ascetism makes us to reject this world.
The Middle Way is to embrace this world, and then let it go, as it flows.

Despite all its imperfections, this world, here and now, expresses God's perfections. Let's embrace God in the friends and co-workers around us, in the refreshing shower of the morning, in the problems and opportunities of every business meeting, every class at school, every lab experiment, every bread baked, eaten and shared. Let's embrace the God of the here and now, and by doing it, we will start experiencing eternal life.

"For those who believe in God, who have love of God, and faith, life is excellent—that is, it is eternal" (Abdul'Bahá, Some Answered Questions)

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Old 07-04-2017, 05:47 AM   #15
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Thanks for all your insights. They have been very helpful.

It is true that this mortal life and this material world are a gift of God . It is true that they are essential for our spiritual growth.

Now, there is something I would like to add.

This mortal life, this material world, are enjoyable.
This body of mine, however transient, is home. This planet our ours, however transient, is home... and we love home and we care about it.

Bahá'u'llah warns us against both materialism (with its corresponding hedonism) and asceticism.
Materialism gets us attached to this world. Ascetism makes us to reject this world.
The Middle Way is to embrace this world, and then let it go, as it flows.

Despite all its imperfections, this world, here and now, expresses God's perfections. Let's embrace God in the friends and co-workers around us, in the refreshing shower of the morning, in the problems and opportunities of every business meeting, every class at school, every lab experiment, every bread baked, eaten and shared. Let's embrace the God of the here and now, and by doing it, we will start experiencing eternal life.

"For those who believe in God, who have love of God, and faith, life is excellent—that is, it is eternal" (Abdul'Bahá, Some Answered Questions)
enjoyed your insight very much Camachoe . thank you
 
Old 07-04-2017, 08:48 AM   #16
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Thanks for all your insights. They have been very helpful.

It is true that this mortal life and this material world are a gift of God . It is true that they are essential for our spiritual growth.

Now, there is something I would like to add.

This mortal life, this material world, are enjoyable.
This body of mine, however transient, is home. This planet our ours, however transient, is home... and we love home and we care about it.

Bahá'u'llah warns us against both materialism (with its corresponding hedonism) and asceticism.
Materialism gets us attached to this world. Ascetism makes us to reject this world.
The Middle Way is to embrace this world, and then let it go, as it flows.

Despite all its imperfections, this world, here and now, expresses God's perfections. Let's embrace God in the friends and co-workers around us, in the refreshing shower of the morning, in the problems and opportunities of every business meeting, every class at school, every lab experiment, every bread baked, eaten and shared. Let's embrace the God of the here and now, and by doing it, we will start experiencing eternal life.

"For those who believe in God, who have love of God, and faith, life is excellent—that is, it is eternal" (Abdul'Bahá, Some Answered Questions)
Very well said, earth is home and our fellow creatures and humans are our neighbors and family.

Take care of home and try your best to care for your neighbors and family

Simple stuff
 
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