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Old 07-24-2017, 12:09 PM   #1
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Dreaming of Death

So I've had a number of dreams now where I have met Izrá’íl, the Angel of Death and talked with that Archangel. Currently I've had four dreams where this has occurred, at least, counting the dreams I can remember and have recorded in my dream journal.

Now I don't mean to suggest that I am in actual communication with a literal angel, no, from analysis I can tell that this is my subconscious regurgitating my own views on the subject of death. Since these dreams are very heavily Baha'i-themed, drawing on the Baha'i writings on the topic of death, I thought, perhaps, that sharing a few might be interesting for those on the forum.

The main "theme" of my dreams involving Izrá’íl is something like the following: The Archangel is saddened by humans. He is, by his nature, a "Messenger of Joy" as the Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah state, but he is saddened because he is seldom a welcome guest. Most of humanity hates and fears Izrá’íl, and the Angel of Death feels this open animosity towards him is unjust and unwarranted.

Izrá’íl, thus, in my dreams is portrayed almost as a tragic figure. he brings the Light of God and eternal Joy, but is only hated, feared, and despised for his role in doing so.

The first dream I had on the subject involved a pair of assassins. The two wished to "cheat death" and thus concocted a plan to try to kill Izrá’íl. The plan essentially involved distracting the angel, then simultaneously charging Izrá’íl with knives.

Needless to say, since Izrá’íl is a being of spirit, this plan horribly failed. The assassins merely passed through the angel and one ended up accidentally stabbing the other one fatally.

To avoid death, the assassins then attempted to flee, running away from Izrá’íl, who in turn lamented how he was hated and feared by many, and that, despite his inevitability, so many people would try to flee from him.

The second dream involving Izrá’íl was initially confused and jumbled, with most of it not making sense or worth repeating here. All that's important is that, due to a series of ridiculous events, I ended up falling into a volcano and dying in the dream.

Being recently dead, I then encountered Izrá’íl, who was open and friendly and welcomed me, eager to meet someone who did not view him as a villain, as many others do. We had a conversation in which he told me that "true death" was "optional", and was a choice that people had to make themselves.

The most recent dream on the subject, I found myself walking through carnage of a battlefield, a weird mix of industrial and medieval. People were in the process of being horribly executed, many being dragged by horses and set on fire.

At the center of this carnage I found a warlord, a cliche, over-the-top villain who's goal was senseless slaughter for the sake of evil. The kind of villain we'd find laughably unrealistic in any sort of movie. He had painted his face black, with a white skull pattern over it. He was giving a speech, something to the effect of "I have become DEATH!! I have become the End of All Things!!"

With his proclamation Izrá’íl appeared to debate and contest this warlord. "Death," Izrá’íl explained, is a thing of Joy, not sorrow, and was not the End as the warlord insisted, but was merely the beginning, and the warlord was powerless to change this fact.

Just thought the above dreams might be interesting to people here, since they are fairly obviously strongly influenced by the Hidden Words, revolving around this one particular verse:

O SON OF THE SUPREME! I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?
 
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:15 PM   #2
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Thank you and very interesting.

If you do not mind, can I ask if you participate in computer games that have a theme like this or a medieval theme?

I have long thought that all we do in life including what we partake of in entertainment, shapes our interacrions with the Spiritual Worlds of God and also with all creation.

Regards Tony
 
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Thank you and very interesting.

If you do not mind, can I ask if you participate in computer games that have a theme like this or a medieval theme?
With a "medieval" theme?? Sure, as do many books I read and films I watch.

With a theme exploring the topic of death as I view it?? No. I've never seen any game, show, or work of writing (outside of various Scriptures) that want to explore that particular theme.

... Though I've been thinking it might be interesting to make a game that explores the topic of death and dreams. Two topics I feel are rather interconnected...

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I have long thought that all we do in life including what we partake of in entertainment, shapes our interacrions with the Spiritual Worlds of God and also with all creation.

Regards Tony
As someone who remembers my dreams frequently, I can tell you with certainty that this is the case. The media we engage with does indeed effect and shape our dreams. I've had many dreams that took clear influence from the older video game Daggerfall, for example, from the "polygonal" look of some dreamscapes to the omnipresence of labyrinths within my dreams. Other times I can see other influences within the dream from other sources. For example, the appearance of Izrá’íl is essentially a combination of the stereotypical grim reaper with a Krampus card I saw once. (Specifically this one). Not to mention the dreams where Scriptures that I have read play a prominent role.

Heck, just last week I read a book of Latvian mythology that mentioned a gnome who was "a foot tall with a fathom long beard" right before going to sleep. That very night: Long-bearded gnomes infested my dreams. So yes, the media we interact with very much influences dreaming!!
 
Old 07-24-2017, 01:22 PM   #4
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With a "medieval" theme?? Sure, as do many books I read and films I watch.

With a theme exploring the topic of death as I view it?? No. I've never seen any game, show, or work of writing (outside of various Scriptures) that want to explore that particular theme.

... Though I've been thinking it might be interesting to make a game that explores the topic of death and dreams. Two topics I feel are rather interconnected...



As someone who remembers my dreams frequently, I can tell you with certainty that this is the case. The media we engage with does indeed effect and shape our dreams. I've had many dreams that took clear influence from the older video game Daggerfall, for example, from the "polygonal" look of some dreamscapes to the omnipresence of labyrinths within my dreams. Other times I can see other influences within the dream from other sources. For example, the appearance of Izrá’íl is essentially a combination of the stereotypical grim reaper with a Krampus card I saw once. (Specifically this one). Not to mention the dreams where Scriptures that I have read play a prominent role.

Heck, just last week I read a book of Latvian mythology that mentioned a gnome who was "a foot tall with a fathom long beard" right before going to sleep. That very night: Long-bearded gnomes infested my dreams. So yes, the media we interact with very much influences dreaming!!

Thanks for that. Life is a challenge for us that is for sure. I feel the Baha'i Writings calling us to be a new race of men is our challenge. It took me many years to consider how deep the old world order is part of us and what it might really mean to be a new race of men and what that may involve in our daily life.

Be well and happy, Regards Tony
 
Old 07-24-2017, 02:42 PM   #5
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Dear Walrus

You may find lovely this comment on the children's book "Cry, Heart, but Never Break", and the tender view of Death, represented in a character who is a sort of Izra'il.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 01:56 AM   #6
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Such fascinating dreams - wonderful subjects of short stories, if you are a good writer.

My dreams are just boring in comparison.

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Old 07-25-2017, 02:54 AM   #7
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such REALLY beautiful dreams. made tears come to my eyes for dear Izrael.
Now may I ask about your feelings during the course of the last dream?
 
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