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Old 08-29-2017, 07:56 PM   #1
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A Menders Path: A Journal on Progressive Revelation

Greetings, all!
I will not say much. The text speaks for itself. I am worried in sharing this with you, because people may see my views as unorthodox, and my journal may be incomprehensible or nonsensical sounding. But this is a piece I wrote recently, about my quest to learn of all of the "steps" or ages that God has taught humanity in, and to understand them. It is a journal of speculation, and thought. A journal of a man seeking to understand the workings of God. So far, I cover what I believe is the "first age" of spirituality. I will update this thread and the link below when I decide to cover the next age.

I hope reading this gives you pleasure and makes you think of God, or start your own journals.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

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Old 08-30-2017, 03:45 PM   #2
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Greetings, all!
I will not say much. The text speaks for itself. I am worried in sharing this with you, because people may see my views as unorthodox, and my journal may be incomprehensible or nonsensical sounding. But this is a piece I wrote recently, about my quest to learn of all of the "steps" or ages that God has taught humanity in, and to understand them. It is a journal of speculation, and thought. A journal of a man seeking to understand the workings of God. So far, I cover what I believe is the "first age" of spirituality. I will update this thread and the link below when I decide to cover the next age.

I hope reading this gives you pleasure and makes you think of God, or start your own journals.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
Dear Saveyist, you've put a lot of effort, time and thought into the piece, and that's admirable. I see tenets of gnosticism in the work. Aidan

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Old 08-30-2017, 05:16 PM   #3
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Dear Saveyist, you've put a lot of effort, time and thought into the piece, and that's admirable. I see tenets of gnosticism in the work. Aidan
I do like the word gnosis. Heh. It's catchy and much quicker than writing "spiritual truth". Considering a mekubal is a practitioner of Kabbalah, I would guess that there's many similarities between Kabbalah and Gnosticism, as Gnosticism appears to be very mystically inclined - I should say though that I have studied Mandaeism which is gnostic, and to a lesser extent Manichaeism, also gnostic - They both fascinate me because of their mystical aspects. Really though I can't claim to know a whole lot about Gnosticism, haha!

I love the Baha'i faith so much. After writing that whole thing I was taken aback. The thought that God's wisdom could be found across a myriad of religions, and not just one singular one, is one of the many things that makes Baha'i a true world religion to me. It has an amazing power to show the interconnectedness of religion, all brought together by the words of Baha'u'llah. I really haven't been a Baha'i for that long, seeing as I'm coming up on 2 years soon, but it's definitely changed my life! I feel as though the words of the Bab, Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian have set my heart ablaze with a love for God. And to think that 2 years ago I didn't even believe that God was with us at all!
 
Old 08-31-2017, 02:18 AM   #4
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Dear Saveyist,

I would really love to know where you got your information about that prehistoric Manifestation you called Svayambhuva. Is there any indication about him in one or the other native religion?

I would also like to point you to the explanations of the Universal House of Justice about Adam, who is recognized as the first Manifestation of God we know of around 4000 BC. And there is also Noah who is described by Bahá'u'lláh as a Manifestation of God although He doesn't appear in any of the commonly used lists.

Here is the letter dealing with Adam:

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The Adamic Cycle inaugurated 6000 years ago by the Manifestation of God called Adam is only one of the many bygone cycles. Bahá'u'lláh, as you say, is the culmination of the Adamic Cycle. He is also the Inaugurator of the Bahá'í Cycle.

Obviously there must have been Prophets and Manifestations in the ages preceding the Adamic Cycle. This is supported by the following statement revealed by Bahá'u'lláh.

"And now regarding thy question, 'How is it that no records are to be found concerning the Prophets that have preceded Adam, the Father of Mankind, or of the Kings that lived in the days of those Prophets?' Know thou that the absence of any reference to them is no proof that they did not actually exist. That no records concerning them are now available, should be attributed to their extreme remoteness, as well as to the vast changes which the earth hath undergone since their time." (March 13, 1986)

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Old 08-31-2017, 08:41 AM   #5
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Dear Saveyist,

I would really love to know where you got your information about that prehistoric Manifestation you called Svayambhuva. Is there any indication about him in one or the other native religion?

I would also like to point you to the explanations of the Universal House of Justice about Adam, who is recognized as the first Manifestation of God we know of around 4000 BC. And there is also Noah who is described by Bahá'u'lláh as a Manifestation of God although He doesn't appear in any of the commonly used lists.

Here is the letter dealing with Adam:
Svayambhuva is found within the Hindu religion as the first of 14 Manus, and as a man under the name of Pratisruti in Jainism, albeit there is much, much less about him in Jainism than there is in Hinduism. Yes, I have seen that quote before, and the beginnings about there being prophets and Manifestations preceding Adam is one of the reasons I started on this quest!
And I see that the quote you stated says there have been Manifestations in the cycle prior to Adam. The way I understand it, Adam is the first Manifestation of his cycle, which had cycles before it and will have many cycles after it. We don't have anything that truly proves the pre-Adamic Manifestations or Kulakara like Svayambhuva, we simply have writings about them, such as the Srimad-Bhagavatam, which I'll use for example, which according to tradition is authored by Vyasa, a man of which I have studied a fair deal, and consider to likely be an Indian Manifestation or revered figure of some kind. So we see, just like say Adam was spoken about in the Torah written by Moses, Vyasa spoke about Svayambhuva in his writings. Svayambhuva appears in other texts, though I have heard most of the stories of him from the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Now then, since it is known that there have been forerunners to Adam, it's just a matter of whether one believes such texts these forerunners are spoken of as authentic or not.
Up to you in your search for truth

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Old 08-31-2017, 12:11 PM   #6
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Thank you for your detailed answer!
 
Old 08-31-2017, 01:05 PM   #7
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I am worried in sharing this with you, because people may see my views as unorthodox,
Heterodoxy is good!! It's Unity in Diversity not Unity in Uniformity!!

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Old 08-31-2017, 01:47 PM   #8
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A good read!! And now the comments I have to offer on it.

You have named Lao Tzu as a prophet!! A surefire way to win me over.

Something to consider when considering ‘Abdu’l-Baha’s statements on souls, he uses and is referencing Aristotle’s Model of souls and how they work: https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/psyche.htm

On the statement, “God would not work with the devil and allow him to punish men and send souls there for said punishment, such a belief is nonsensical.” I can only say: Indeed!!

On the topic of Ancestor Worship, I always thought that the underlying truth to that was the nature of Intercession, the fact that the dead can interact with the living and vice versa. The original meaning of that fact of nature then misunderstood and evolving into worship.

On the topic of the Mender Trials:

On the topic of the Trial of Animism: My initial thought is that there’s likely some very valid ideas here, just in terms of having personally experienced my first religious experience and vision in the woods during an extended period of camping.

On the topic of “you must only eat natural things, and drink natural things”, I believe the idea of a divide between “artificial” and “natural” is a false construct. This idea of mine emerged from the teachings of Lao Tzu.

In other words the two truly exist in a state of Unity and are not separate or distinct. The “natural/artificial” dichotomy, I feel, is even more false than others, for why should an anthill, prairie dog colony, and beaver dam all be considered “natural” but not a hut or house?? The line drawn is extremely vague which is one reason amongst several I think the dichotomy false and the two states are in Unity.

And so I have no idea how one can eat and drink “only natural things” . In my eyes the tomato growing in my backyard, high fructose corn syrup, and plastic seems all equally natural to me, as all exists in this Creation, does it not??

One final thought: Since you seem to enjoy gnostic topics and Greek prophets, have you ever read the works of Hermes Trismegistus?? Like Plato, many do not realize that Hermes' prophetic status was also confirmed by Baha'u'llah. Might be interesting reading if you've not encountered his works before.
 
Old 08-31-2017, 06:38 PM   #9
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Ah, thank you for your response!
Lao Tzu is one whom I admittedly know less of than I would like to. I would love to talk to you about Laozi in PMs!

Your thoughts on ancestor worship are in agreement with mine. I do. In the next writing in my journal which will likely be late tomorrow, I plan to go over how the dead and the living can interact.

As to nature and artificials being false, I have not given that thought due attention yet. I would say that you are right, and perhaps the "artificial" is merely an extension of the natural, since it must be made from natural things. Perhaps a better wording for my journal is that one may only eat or drink organic things specifically.

And on my list of things to read, I have the works of Hermes. However I currently know very little about him or his writings.

Thank you for your lovely input, Walrus
 
Old 10-04-2017, 02:37 PM   #10
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Here I am necro-ing another thread, haha! I wanted to give everyone an update, and to say that I have finally finished writing about the next set of beliefs or 'age'. I was having trouble for a long time trying to figure out a good way to make that parable work. The purpose of the parables is to teach the use of Kabbalistic methods, such as the Pardes, gematria, and the sefirot and how interpreting these parables through those lenses may reveal deeper meanings that normally are not noticed with a glance.

I guess on a related note, that is why those parables make me sound like I'm crazy, cause they are puzzles in a way, not meant to be taken as a literal account of events, haha!

Anyway. I really enjoyed writing this. I have found myself only growing deeper and deeper in love with religion every day, and find myself constantly in amazement with the way the Baha'i faith functions. It is as if becoming a Baha'i has truly liberated me from a boxed-in school of thought.
 
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