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Old 07-12-2018, 01:53 PM   #1
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7 Hermetic principles, Alchemy, and other de-Occult Sciences

Hermes Trismegistus and Apollonius of Tyana in the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh
by Keven Brown
published in Revisioning the Sacred: New Perspectives on a Bahá'í Theology, Studies in the Babi and Bahá'í Religions, vol. 8, pages 153-187
Los Angeles: Kalimat Press, 1997
https://bahai-library.com/brown_hermes_apollonius
What are the seven Hermetic principles? And how do the Bahai Writings agree and affirm them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ky...ven_Principles

Principle of Mentalism.
Principle of Correspondence.
Principle of Vibration.
Principle of Polarity.
Principle of Rhythm.
Principle of Cause and Effect.
Principle of Gender.



https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...tic+principles

The Cosmic Law of Alchemy by Sethikus Boza of Black Earth Productions: the Cosmic Law of Alchemy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mq2ej-JW7A&t=1s
 
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:52 AM   #2
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Someone else who is interested in Baha'i Faith, Heremticism, alchemy, and the occult??

Hello like-minded soul!!

I have much to say on your many posts, but right now I don't have a whole lot of free time. This weekend I shall dig into these posts but for now I wanted to welcome you and state I look forward to our future discussions.
 
Old 07-13-2018, 07:26 AM   #3
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On the Kybalion's Seven Principles:

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Principle of Mentalism.
I'm familiar with Mentalism and it makes sense, but I've always sort of thought that this was a concept from the writers of the Kybalion itself. Perhaps there is something out there I've missed, but nothing I've read attributed to Hermes Trismegastus himself seems to cover the principle, so I've always questioned its Hermetic origins.

I don't know of any Baha'i texts that touch on this principle.

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Principle of Correspondence.
Since this principle is built from the axiom "As Above, So Below. As Below, So Above", and since that comes from the Emerald Tablet, and since Baha'u'llah quotes the Emerald Tablet word-for-word in a tablet, I think it's safe to say this Principle is affirmed by the Baha'i Faith, since the entire Emerald Tablet has been confirmed, thus confirmed are the Principles derived from it.

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Principle of Vibration.
In part of a quote that mentions Hermes, Baha'u'llah writes: "The world has never had nor does it now possess stability, notwithstanding the complaints of some unfaithful and wavering souls." which is the Principle of Vibration right there, the world is not in stability, but in motion and change.

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Principle of Polarity.
Principle of Gender.
These Principles have always seemed like the exact same thing to me, especially since the writings of historical alchemists generally treat the symbols of gender and polarity as the same (union of King and Queen and Sun and Moon shown together in alchemical art, and the like)

The Baha'i text that delves into this Principle would be the Valley of Unity in the Seven Valleys.

While the number Seven stands out, the Seven Valleys themselves do not correspond to the Seven Principles of the Kybalion.

However, the Seven Valleys do correspond with the Seven Stages of the Alchemical Process: Calcination => Dissolution => Separation => Conjunction => Fermentation => Distillation => Coagulation. I can go into more details there if need be, but I warn you, once I start on that topic I may not be able to stop.

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Principle of Rhythm.
The many cycles of Prophecy, Revelation, etc. within the Baha'i Faith correspond to the flow and cycles of this Principle.

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Principle of Cause and Effect.
This Principle can be seen in this quote from Baha'u'llah "All that is created, however, is preceded by a cause. This fact, in itself, establisheth, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the unity of the Creator."

I will post later when I get some time more on the subject of Alchemy within the Baha'i Faith.
 
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Since this principle is built from the axiom "As Above, So Below. As Below, So Above", and since that comes from the Emerald Tablet, and since Baha'u'llah quotes the Emerald Tablet word-for-word in a tablet, I think it's safe to say this Principle is affirmed by the Baha'i Faith, since the entire Emerald Tablet has been confirmed, thus confirmed are the Principles derived from it.
Where does Baha'u'llah quote all this?
 
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Where does Baha'u'llah quote all this?
This is not in any of the Authorised Texts of Baha'u'llah, though quite possibly it may appear in one of the provisional translations, and thus the writer quoted may have drawn from this.

However, in spirit and in principle, according to what is in the Authorised Texts, the argument stands correctly, regardless.

That said, anyone is free to, what I would personally term, nit-pick
 
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Where does Baha'u'llah quote all this?
It's referenced in the first link of your original post. The reference is as follows:

"Balínús, the sage, upheld the same view and mentioned the inscription on the Tablet held in the hand of Hermes. He said: 'In truth and of a certainty, there is no doubt that the higher is from the lower and the lower is from the higher. The working of wonders is from one as all things came from one. Its father is the sun and its mother is the moon.' Furthermore, He said: 'The subtle is nobler than the gross. The light of lights with the power of the All-Powerful causeth the earth to ascend to heaven and then causeth it to descend. It holdeth sway over both earth and heaven, higher and lower.'" (Baha'u'llah)

The translator of this passage here uses a different translation of the Emerald Tablet than my preferred translation, but it's still noticeably the Tablet.

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This is not in any of the Authorised Texts of Baha'u'llah
It can be found specifically in the first volume of the Má'idiy-i-Ásmání. I don't think there is an authorized English version of it.

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