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Old 01-15-2014, 02:28 PM   #1
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I have always thought Nigeria to be a modern western leaning country.have just heard that a court in Northern Nigeria, which is a mainly Moslem region, has found some men guilty of homosexuality. They are at risk of being stoned to death
 
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:02 PM   #2
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I have always thought Nigeria to be a modern western leaning country.have just heard that a court in Northern Nigeria, which is a mainly Moslem region, has found some men guilty of homosexuality. They are at risk of being stoned to death
Dear friend, many people have strong views on this subject, one only has to read the papers of the USA and the huge controversy there.

Also many people in the world have many superstitious ideas, I have read that in Africa many believe that if they have Aids it can be cured by having sex with a virgin, and so , sadly many young girls are raped because of this idea.

For myself I don't believe there is any country free from some form of backward ideas. sadly.
 
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This is true Bill. I once dated a Nigerian lady who was a practicing Christian but who also firmly believed in the power of witchcraft
 
Old 01-16-2014, 09:23 PM   #4
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This is true Bill. I once dated a Nigerian lady who was a practicing Christian but who also firmly believed in the power of witchcraft
But I imagine in all other ways, she was a wonderful person.

Sadly there are many like this, some of my own dear family are rabid haters of poor desperate people who try to find a new life in leaky boats upon the seas.
Nothing I say can change their outlook, total lack of compassion. sigh
 
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Old 01-17-2014, 01:14 PM   #6
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Africa and Africans are not "backwards."

It's a continent with hundreds of languages, ethnic groups, and distinct religions.

To quote Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart:

The Native Africans ask, which god is your God? "goddess of the earth, god of the sky, Amadiora of the thunderbolt?" The White missionary responds, "All these gods you have named are not gods at all. They are gods of deceit who tell you to kill your fellows and destroy innocent children. There is only one true God and He has the earth, the sky, you and me and all of us"

Ironically, it was the White Christians -- the "bringers" of Civilization -- whose God commanded them to "kill your fellows and destroy innocent children" when they forced their culture upon a people who did not want it and perpetuate the myth that Africans are "backwards" to legitimize their claims.

Abdu'l-Bahá once told a woman in London that some things we might consider superstitions are "useful":

A lady enquired whether some superstitions might not be good for ignorant people, who, if they were without them might perhaps be without beliefs of any kind?

‘Abdu’l-Bahá replied that superstitions were of two kinds; those that were harmful and dangerous, and those that were harmless and produced certain good effects.

For example, there were some poor people who believed that misfortunes and punishments were caused by a Great Angel with a sword in his hand, who struck down those who stole, and committed murder and crimes.
They thought the flashes of lightning were the weapons of this angel, and that if they did wrong they would be struck by lightning. This belief caused them to refrain from evil actions.

The Chinese held a superstition that if they burn certain pieces of paper this will drive the devils away; they sometimes burnt these pieces of paper on board ships when they were travelling in order to drive away devils, and by so doing they set fire to the ships and destroyed many lives. This was a type of dangerous and harmful superstition.


Moreover, we can't just dismiss the intricate religions of other people as "superstition." 'Abu'l-Baha and Baha'u'llah have been rather clear that superstition is anything that people have invented and think is true. Africans follow religions far older than anything Christians, Muslims, or Bahá'ís do, and we can't say definitively a Manifestation did not proclaim those beliefs as valid for those peoples.

It is sad that many African peoples oppose homosexuality so vehemently, but part of that is our (the West's) fault -- homosexuality is perceived as a "western" invention. Calling the Africans "backward" rather then recognizing they have have various, intricate belief systems developed over thousands of years and saturated with meaning is to express one's own ignorance and reinforce that opinion common to many Africans that the 'West' is arrogant and thinks we're intrinsically "better."

We're not.
 
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I haven't seen anyone here call Africans backward
 
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BlinkeyBill: For myself I don't believe there is any country free from some form of backward ideas. sadly.

Aiden: This is true Bill. I once dated a Nigerian lady who was a practicing Christian but who also firmly believed in the power of witchcraft

Both of these seem to have some derogatory element, or at least element that can be perceived as derogatory. That's what I'm responding to.

I should note that I didn't mean my post to call either of you "ignorant" -- I used the pronoun "one" in expressing "one's ignorance" to make the general remark---I consciously avoided the use of "you." I'm really not trying to be critical, only increase wariness toward the topic. There's a handful of material on the internet that makes 'Abdu'l-Bahá seem colonially racist towards the Africans which is simply a mistranslated or our-of-context, and I'm really proud of my Bahá'í Faith for being "postcolonially conscious."
 
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BlinkeyBill: For myself I don't believe there is any country free from some form of backward ideas. sadly.

Aiden: This is true Bill. I once dated a Nigerian lady who was a practicing Christian but who also firmly believed in the power of witchcraft

Both of these seem to have some derogatory element, or at least element that can be perceived as derogatory. That's what I'm responding to.

I should note that I didn't mean my post to call either of you "ignorant" -- I used the pronoun "one" in expressing "one's ignorance" to make the general remark---I consciously avoided the use of "you." I'm really not trying to be critical, only increase wariness toward the topic. There's a handful of material on the internet that makes 'Abdu'l-Bahá seem colonially racist towards the Africans which is simply a mistranslated or our-of-context, and I'm really proud of my Bahá'í Faith for being "postcolonially conscious."
Dear Owings

You are coming across as very critical dear friend, in your quote of Abdul-Baha I quote: ‘Abdu’l-Bahá replied that superstitions were of two kinds; those that were harmful and dangerous, and those that were harmless and produced certain good effects.End quote.

I think that a superstition that if you have aids to rape a young virgin will cure you comes under the heading of harmful.
And I stand by my comment that all countries are in some ways backward, this is not critical of any race or culture, but sadly a fact of life. I never attacked Africa or Africans as backward, in fact as I said to Aiden I was sure that in all other aspects the lady in question was a wonderful person, which he tells me she was.

I know the history sadly of many countries where a dominant culture took over many sad things were done.
I think you have not read very closely our posts dear friend and have jumped to an assumption.
That is OK we all make this mistake at times, I know I have done so also.
Loving regards to you
 
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Frankly I'm surprise gays have as much access to the world as they have. About 5 billion people represent the religions opposed to acts of homosexuality. An International Same-Sex Registry should be developed to.keep them out of potently hostile countries in any event.
Like almost every other country? Look at Nigeria's new laws against gays.

I'm not against homosexuality but why should any man be judged for their interests?

How can we know for sure that the religions represented by 5 billion people are opposed to homosexuality? Ever heard of gay priests or gay clergy within the Catholic Church? My friend, who was once identified as a woman now identifies as a man is a physical example of a priest in the Catholic church.

Just because we are opposed to something doesn't mean we should eradicate it.

Do you think that if ever, God bless that day, when Baha'i laws become universally recognized and followed that we would eradicate alcohol from this world?
 
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Like almost every other country? Look at Nigeria's new laws against gays.

I'm not against homosexuality but why should any man be judged for their interests?

How can we know for sure that the religions represented by 5 billion people are opposed to homosexuality? Ever heard of gay priests or gay clergy within the Catholic Church? My friend, who was once identified as a woman now identifies as a man is a physical example of a priest in the Catholic church.

Just because we are opposed to something doesn't mean we should eradicate it.

Do you think that if ever, God bless that day, when Baha'i laws become universally recognized and followed that we would eradicate alcohol from this world?
Well said

As Baha'is we are to love all mankind.
What a person is or does is between them and God.
We personally are to obey the laws of Baha, what others do is their own concern and not ours.
Just my thoughts.
peace to all.

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