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Old 07-20-2014, 02:19 AM   #1
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The silence of the world’s religious leaders and the plight of the Baha’is of Iran

The silence of the world’s religious leaders and the plight of the Baha’is of Iran.

The Baha’is of Iran have been persecuted since the birth of their religion some 170 years ago. This is simply a very grave basic human rights violation that is still happening in Iran. It appears to me that every person of good will, regardless of their religious affiliation, ought to be concerned about such injustices. Yet, apart from Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, the vast majority of religious leaders of the world have been largely silent about the plight of the Baha’is in Iran. I cannot understand why that is. What may be the reasons for such deafening silence on the part of our world religious leaders?
 
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:56 AM   #2
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Probably because they are not very aware of it. Because lets be honest: how many people are protesting about what is happening to the Yazidi or the Shabak in Iraq? Even the persecution of Christians in the Middle Earth gets relatively little attention.

I mean: you are obviously right about that silence about this horrible thing is very painful but I am just trying to put in a bigger perspective. Often there is a lack of knowledge and interest with people in general...
 
Old 07-20-2014, 06:58 AM   #3
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One, the Baha'i Faith isn't well known to many people plus there is Religious persecution of many faiths all over the world. Not saying the Baha'i faith is any less important.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 07:01 AM   #4
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Probably because they are not very aware of it. Because lets be honest: how many people are protesting about what is happening to the Yazidi or the Shabak in Iraq? Even the persecution of Christians in the Middle Earth gets relatively little attention.

I mean: you are obviously right about that silence about this horrible thing is very painful but I am just trying to put in a bigger perspective. Often there is a lack of knowledge and interest with people in general...
The Pope has mentioned the Persecution of Christians in the Middle east. and here is a more recent story.

Christians flee Iraq's Mosul after Islamists tell them: convert, pay or die - Telegraph

The Bahai's are not the only ones with problems..

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Old 07-20-2014, 10:16 AM   #5
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It is impossible for high ranking religious leaders, like the Pope in Vatican or the Archbishop of Canterbury in England, to be unaware of the situation of the Baha'is in Iran (or indeed the persecution of other religious minorities in the world). High-ranking religious leaders such as these have advisers who brief them on current affairs on a daily basis.

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Old 07-20-2014, 10:18 AM   #6
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The new pope .well.. he must know.. since the old just kicked 3000 people out of "job" the new one knows the words for

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speaking about how horrible the sexual abuse of children is and how the Catholic Church is following a “zero tolerance” policy in this regard, Pope Francis emphasized that abuse of a minor by a priest is “very serious” and akin to “celebrating a black Mass.”
Eager to describe
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When a priest commits abuse, he betrays the Lord’s body,” said Pope Franics, as translated by Vatican Insider. “A priest must guide children towards sainthood. And the child trusts him. But instead, he abuses him or her. This is very serious. It’s like celebrating a black mass!”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ing-black-mass

Must be a good thing... than if he says so

To speak with the six - eight abused childrens...

While Popes-Francis-Benedict-meet-exchange-Christmas-greetings -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-2965975912001

It's the old man, every time reaching out his hands, and like it would be the first time, and is not taken, but he just does with the same ... hand...

I called Benedict a vampire... he look like one. he still does... but.. He
told, he can't he just can#t did wrong, failed and seek shelter in god, and left pope job, left vatican, left all ceremonials, and here is an old men, that is despised - seeking shelter in god... he is just what he is... he may be the only pope... that came to god in faith... It does and just really not matter, that he did wrong, failed and could not. He could not. He told. This its beauty, greatness and worth to mind, that he could be just an old man... and that one I have seen .. he just can't . and just did and tried... its not the show... its the words that mean and do what they mean... even if they cant.. this is greatness... nothing he did in pope ... it is this.. old man that does not stop to reach out his hand, even if just nobody cares...

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Old 07-20-2014, 10:37 AM   #7
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Like I said Bahai' s are not the only ones with problems....just my observation correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen the UHJ speak out on atrossoties around the world only what affects them. One people one world huh?
 
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This avatar image, it is a grave stone. I have seen it, an image I was fascinated, it was such beauty in that, what "described "child grave tomb stone, playing with doves" this was, the image that have seen and knows, she loves doves so much, as the parents miss the little .... that loved doves so much...

I could not find it again, and I only had a own drawing, and I found it years later.. I was much older, still this is the same. Honor the loved ones, and mind the hated ones to understand and find peace... this is the honor your ancestors.. if not taken out of fair..

This is not "shown" this is... was..

language changed from I'm sooo sorry... to show to be sorry, to show "expected reaction" to to "common action" so.. perfection of lie.. to show to be good... to call it good .. to call it right, so it shows to be good..


Every day, that white clean washed media,... i mourn with them... I cant stand this... that this is not worthy but good and right is shown and so good to better see not...
and not beyond 15:00... its gets bloody...

pain to see... I would beg for mercy, if someone would care... but since I know nobody that minds.. if its not for.. so... this knows just no end... so ends


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Old 07-20-2014, 11:24 AM   #9
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Why should we be with god, if they run in fear and pray to god...
Media World Unite : just call its bad ( and runs in fear) and call its good "what is more of this" - they seem to run all with god... there was not one that complained that nobody showed them...

Why should he not hear them? What reason should it just be called good and good and more more more like this... while its not. Which reason is left, so to see more of this... who can stand even to see this all... if not fixed to this hell of done wrong

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Old 07-20-2014, 11:30 AM   #10
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Like I said Bahai' s are not the only ones with problems....just my observation correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen the UHJ speak out on atrossoties around the world only what affects them. One people one world huh?
Sorry I feel that this is not correct. The Baha'is speak out very much about injustice to any race or religion.
Of course we are concerned by the injustice in the land that is the cradle of our faith, and as said this injustice has been continuing for centuries. Thousands have died thus fulfilling the verse in the old testament that speaks of God coming with thousands of His Saints.

And I have to say in agreement with others that there is much suffering, by many faiths around the world, but also agree that for the Baha'is in Iran their suffering has been on a grand scale over a longer time than most. It is also government supported.

We people who are against such injustices should not start fighting among each other as to who suffers most etc, we have to stand shoulder to shoulder to try and stamp out this evil throughout the world. How many atrocities have been occurring over the years.

So jupitermadcat, I agree with you when you say the Baha's are not the only ones who suffer, but in all truth, if you have studied the history, you will know of the Baha'is suffering and to the length of time and numbering in the thousands of deaths and torture.

Of course anyone would agree that just one person so suffering is intolerable, and should not occur.
Possibly Thomas could have worded his thread a little different, it may appear offensive to some, but there lies a certain amount of truth to the silence, from many world leaders, who could raise there voices more, I feel.

Anyway I long to see a time when all religions can live in peace, together and show brotherly love, without fear.
 
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:57 PM   #12
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Yes; religious leaders in general should be more aware of the Bahai Faith. Also of the sufferings of Bahai in Iran. I think it is often overlooked and this is a great loss for the world.
 
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