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Old 08-19-2015, 01:51 AM   #1
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Paint the Change

That is strange but there are no treads on ‘Education Is Not a Crime’ or ‘Paint the Change’ campaigns here. https://www.facebook.com/educationisnotacrime
So let’s create one! Here is our new post in Russian about campaign Paint the Change Наказание за образование
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:02 PM   #2
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Dear Anton

Have had to give up with Facebook here.

It does not allow for slow internet connections. Thus got sick and tired of waiting 10 minutes every time I try to open a facebook page.

Like most these days they do not think of slow internet speeds and poor connections and put ar too much data to download to open.

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Life is full of coincidences. I recall we were discussing two yeas ago representation of Youth Conferences on the net here. I mentioned then that my mom had broadband connection. What is startling is that she has arranged for tomorrow to install some new equipment so the speed will be 3 times higher.
Dear Tony, you are right, nowadays people seldom think about problems associated with low Internet connections.
P.S. The second link I posted is a regular webpage on blogspot, though it is in Russian.
P.P.S. It also made me to recall how 5 years ago Russian NSA sent to all believers a newsletter up to 20 Mb in size. Just imagine how they would be happy to download it via dialup.
 
Old 08-19-2015, 01:28 PM   #4
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Life is full of coincidences. I recall we were discussing two yeas ago representation of Youth Conferences on the net here. I mentioned then that my mom had broadband connection. What is startling is that she has arranged for tomorrow to install some new equipment so the speed will be 3 times higher.
Dear Tony, you are right, nowadays people seldom think about problems associated with low Internet connections.
P.S. The second link I posted is a regular webpage on blogspot, though it is in Russian.
P.P.S. It also made me to recall how 5 years ago Russian NSA sent to all believers a newsletter up to 20 Mb in size. Just imagine how they would be happy to download it via dialup.
That is the problem, even with 1mb attachment and I can wait half and hour!

The network is overloaded here and poor infrastructure - think I am supposed to be a max 150mbps?

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Old 08-20-2015, 11:28 AM   #5
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Tony and Anton here in the countryside of Chile, I suffer also slow internet, also I have no mail code, imagine my problem in ordering books, have to use a Santiago mail
code and have an address in the city, the code is far more than four digits also causes some problems.
The joys of living in some countries of the world, but of course would not change where I live for anything.

Loving regards to you both.
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Friends, back to the topic! What I’ve noticed is that Russian speaking Baha’is don’t give a damp about persecution of Iranian Baha’is or so it seems. The reason I think so is that publications such as above mentioned receive zero response. Now I start to think that it is also true about English speaking Baha’is. Look, here we jumped into discussion of internet connections instead of talking about ways to support Iranian Baha’is. Again, as I mentioned in the first post, I was not able to find here on forum a thread about campaigns like Paint the Change or Education is not a Crime. It looks like the topic about Iranian Baha’is is far less interesting than that of slow Internet. Well, honestly I’m glad to discover that. I used to think that it was something wrong with Russian speaking Baha’is. Now I see it is more or less a norm. It is human nature I guess.
 
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Dear Anton, to post information here in Russian I feel does not assist your aim. When you say Paint the change is that the same as Be the Change you want? In other words live in your daily life the change you wish to see in others. And yes human nature is really not always nice and lovable, so we need to show this in our daily lives, and most people do not brag about their daily lives even the good points let alone the bad.

Such as what we may be doing in regards helping or supporting Iranian Baha'is.
Maybe you could explain more of what you mean by this thread.

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Friends, back to the topic! What I’ve noticed is that Russian speaking Baha’is don’t give a damp about persecution of Iranian Baha’is or so it seems.
That is too harsh a conclusion. Much more is done than is seen in the open. I understand your frustration. But seriously, the persecution of our Iranian friends has been an issue for thirty-five years. It is not new. It is one of the tough things that we constantly live with.

А иногда любовь и жестокость до невозможности схожи.

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Friends, back to the topic! What I’ve noticed is that Russian speaking Baha’is don’t give a damp about persecution of Iranian Baha’is .....
although it is harsh but it is somehow true. nowadays almost all kinds of ideologies have their own followers and people who defend them. as an example there is a rather new kind of mysticism in Iran called "Efrane Halghe" or "mysticism of the ring". the founder of this kind of mysticism (as he calls it!) has many many many followers in Iran; so much that even some people believe that he is Qaim and his path is the path of truth. in his teachings there is the talk about humanity and peace and curing diseases using spiritual ways. now that man is imprisoned and about a year ago it was decided that he should be hanged for he had been talking "against Islam" (as Mollas say). and then many people all around the world have protested against the court order. one of the members of Australia parliament has given a speech about that man and has asked for his freedom.
now the thing is, a man from nowhere, has gained many followers and then he is imprisoned (possibly killed by now) and many people around the world are talking for him, defending his and his followers so powerfully that his followers in Iran now have formed groups to follow their teacher's teachings. many videos and articles are published for the sake of this man. but what has the world done for Baha'is? Baha'ullah had been much higher than an ordinary man but we BAha'is sometimes only talk; we act much less than what we should and we convince ourselves by thinking that "it is not time yet" or that "if God wishes, He will help.". if you ask Iranians about how many of them know about Erfane Halghe and how many of them know about Baha'i faith and its main teachings, I bet they know much more about Erfane Halghe than knowing about a religion of God (considering that both of these beliefs are banned here). neither the Baha'is in Iran, nor Baha'is outside of Iran and nor even those people who work for humanity has ever taken a useful step for all the difficulties Baha'is have here; only words, words, and wordsssssss... (I myself am as lazy and fearful as all others!)
 
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although one of the teachings of Bab and Baha'ullah is putting words into action (or acting rather than talking) yet Baha'is (at least in Iran) are usually known as fearful people who don't take any steps even for their own freedom.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 01:40 PM   #11
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although one of the teachings of Bab and Baha'ullah is putting words into action (or acting rather than talking) yet Baha'is (at least in Iran) are usually known as fearful people who don't take any steps even for their own freedom.
Dear Maryamr - God bless us all with the required strength.

One thing I noticed is, that all news reports from Iran I have looked at and commented upon or even reposted in other areas, have very few replies/comments posted to them.

It appears not until this enters you own home, does on these days commit to a solution!

But we are doing what we can. We pray for you with all our heart and all our Soul, we thank all those that give everything to be a Baha'i, we teach knowing that these sacrifices feed this beloved Faith. We teach the next generation so this will not happen again!

Maybe we should have a jihad of words, get planeloads of Baha'is to come and Visit, so many planeloads that the airport is non stop Baha'is entering to go to Our Holy places gifted by Baha'u'llah. Then we can slay the tyrrany with words of Love and encouragement to be just to Gods Peoples.

I would go on the first plane Would join you on our Pilgrimage. Of course our Tue Universal House of Justice would have to give the thumbs up to this.

God bless you all regards Tony
 
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... neither the Baha'is in Iran, nor Baha'is outside of Iran and nor even those people who work for humanity has ever taken a useful step for all the difficulties Baha'is have here; only words, words, and wordsssssss... (I myself am as lazy and fearful as all others!)
Maryamr,
. I don't believe that is true. Although it is frustrating sometimes to know what to do, please understand the value and the effect of the very, very real inspiration drawn from the sacrifices suffered ny the Bahais inside Iran.

. Were it not for those actual sacrifices being made, do I think the Cause of Baha'u'llah would be spread around the world as a quickly as it is? Even if that seems slow sometimes, the fact is that His Name has been proclaimed almost every where on earth.

. It is a challenge to know always what to do. It is a challenge to teach the Faith, but many of us go beyond ourselves not only out of love for Baha'u'llah, but out of a sense of duty to share the Message which the Bahais in Iran are imprisoned for doing.

. Similarly, the material sacrifices made are often a result of the news of persecution of the believers. When we read of torture, imprisonment, death, or the bulldozing of cemeteries, the closure of businesses, and all manner of persecution, lack of education, etc, etc, the Bahais I know always arise to do still more.

. Do not think that the Bahais of the world are asleep through this. Some might be, but many are not. The people of the world are absorbed in a struggle to survive which takes so much of their time and attention, and we compete to get their attention, always finding new ways.

. Yes. More can always be done by some, but much is being done that is hard to measure by those whose hearts He has moved.

Ya Baha'ul'Abha!!
 
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Dear Tony and Dale;
both of you have pointed the matter of execution of Baha'is in Iran and have said that you think it is a very powerful reason to help the faith- it may be.... but, things are not as you read in newspapers or watch in TV. many baha'is are executed in Iran (along with many other people who have ideas opposed to the ideas of the governors and Islam) but many of them are being killed without the government letting others know about it. these news of executions in Iran is heard by Baha'is but nonBaha'is of Iran are not aware of the degree of brutality. I assure you that 90% of Iranians (nonBaha'is) have only heard very few and brief news about difficulties Baha'is have and then because Baha'is cannot talk openly about their faith, very very few nonBaha'is know anything about this faith; just like myself before becoming a Baha'i I had always been thinking that Baha'i had been a social political movement by a noble person some 100 years ago who wanted to help the poor and free people from yoke of tyranny. it was not even coming into my mind that I can investigate the Baha'i faith as A RELIGION; strange. so you see that all these executions are well being kept a secret (to a great degree) and people have only few general knowledge about the faith...
maybe it is good if we can have world groups who can prepare conferences to talk for Baha'is and to let their voices reach the Iranian government (and other countries in which Baha'i is a forbidden religion). what is very clear to me is that present actions are not enough, by no means. a religion in 21st century, amid this huge advancement of technology should not be this unknown after 170 years.
 
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Maryamr,
Agree with you that a religion in 21st century, amid this huge advancement of technology should not be this unknown after 170 years.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 11:39 PM   #15
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Maryamr - I do not know what to say, it is sad the world does not react, but on the news now is so many problems and issues in the world, the Baha'i situation one of tens of thousands.

Each place in the world caught up in its own issues of Old World Order breakdown, each only concerned with their issues.

The difference is we know that this must happen, it will happen and we are to do what we can to build the New World Order.

We have shown the videos to the Baha'is here, we tried to get it in the papers, but many are face with big issues here as well. This place having one of the highest records of abuse against women in the world!

The obedience to the covenant, Prayer, reflection and action with follow up is helping, the sacrafices are not meaningless. This action will bring out and show all injustice in this world.

Personally I think it is increasing in speed and change not that far away!

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Maryamr - I do not know what to say, it is sad the world does not react, but on the news now is so many problems and issues in the world, the Baha'i situation one of tens of thousands.

Each place in the world caught up in its own issues of Old World Order breakdown, each only concerned with their issues.

The difference is we know that this must happen, it will happen and we are to do what we can to build the New World Order.

We have shown the videos to the Baha'is here, we tried to get it in the papers, but many are face with big issues here as well. This place having one of the highest records of abuse against women in the world!

The obedience to the covenant, Prayer, reflection and action with follow up is helping, the sacrafices are not meaningless. This action will bring out and show all injustice in this world.

Personally I think it is increasing in speed and change not that far away!

Regards Tony
maybe the solution is not to talk about the problems Baha'is face in each country and maybe the solution is to try to make as many people as possible to know about the faith; more Baha'is, more strength to stand against tyranny. the number of Baha'is is not satisfying yet. (I know the members of this forum are doing their best, I have no doubts. but this should become the routine of every Baha'i all the around the world)
 
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neither the Baha'is in Iran, nor Baha'is outside of Iran and nor even those people who work for humanity has ever taken a useful step for all the difficulties Baha'is have here; only words, words, and wordsssssss... (I myself am as lazy and fearful as all others!)
If Baha'is would really be as superior as they say that they are, then surely they would resolve whatever trouble they found themselves in, no help from others required.

Some people forget that the claim to supremacy comes with inherent responsibility.
 
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maybe the solution is not to talk about the problems Baha'is face in each country and maybe the solution is to try to make as many people as possible to know about the faith; more Baha'is, more strength to stand against tyranny. the number of Baha'is is not satisfying yet. (I know the members of this forum are doing their best, I have no doubts. but this should become the routine of every Baha'i all the around the world)
Ya Baha'ul'Abha

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Maryamr,
the solution is to try to make as many people as possible to know about the faith’ — this answer fits all questions, unfortunately, and thus cannot be fully correct.
Teaching the Faith is good, but it is not the only remedy.
More strength a community may get not only through numerical growth but through gaining in strength in quality so to speak.
I like the phrase "Growth isn't a strategy, it's a result." - @gapingvoid
Unfortunately, now Baha’is preoccupied with growth thinking it is panacea. But I think we might started with the wrong end of the rope.
 
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If Baha'is would really be as superior as they say that they are, then surely they would resolve whatever trouble they found themselves in, no help from others required.

Some people forget that the claim to supremacy comes with inherent responsibility.
Where did Superior come from?

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Maryamr,
the solution is to try to make as many people as possible to know about the faith’ — this answer fits all questions, unfortunately, and thus cannot be fully correct.
Teaching the Faith is good, but it is not the only remedy.
More strength a community may get not only through numerical growth but through gaining in strength in quality so to speak.
I like the phrase "Growth isn't a strategy, it's a result." - @gapingvoid
Unfortunately, now Baha’is preoccupied with growth thinking it is panacea. But I think we might started with the wrong end of the rope.
Is not the current phase about empowerment. Not designed neccesarily to increase numbers but empower each individual to effect change in the world?

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Where did Superior come from?
Ah, playing dumb again ...

The Jews claim to be God's chosen people. Several times throughout history, other people didn't just accept this Jewish claim, but instead put the Jews to the test. "Really, you're God's chosen people? Alright, let's see!"

That's what people get in this world when they claim to be God's chosen people, or when they claim to have The One and Only Right Knowledge of God.
Other people don't just stand there and take it.
 
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Good point! But the current phase is not about quality either. It is (as you mentioned) about empowerment.
What I meant by quality is that we need to make our communities attractive to people (for various reasons). When we build capacities we, let’s be fair, do it to achieve and sustain growth mainly for the sake of growth. But people come and go. What is retention rate? When we build attractive communities growth comes naturally and people will not only come to us but stay with us. Then you may change the world.
 
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Tony,
Good point! But the current phase is not about quality either. It is (as you mentioned) about empowerment.
What I meant by quality is that we need to make our communities attractive to people (for various reasons). When we build capacities we, let’s be fair, do it to achieve and sustain growth mainly for the sake of growth. But people come and go. What is retention rate? When we build attractive communities growth comes naturally and people will not only come to us but stay with us. Then you may change the world.
Yes the power to change the world rests now with building communities. The change is visible in vibrant communities. The sacrifice of Iranian Baha'is is feeding this growth.

To other comments above, when one realises that no action is connected with any thought of superiority, but only on the thought of obtaining true unity, this is when communities grow and flourish.

God bless.and regards Tony
 
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To other comments above, when one realises that no action is connected with any thought of superiority, but only on the thought of obtaining true unity, this is when communities grow and flourish.
As long as it's the kind of unity that you want, with you on top.

The Khmer Rouge, the Stalinists, the Nazis -- they all wanted unity too, each of them on their terms, of course.
 
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As long as it's the kind of unity that you want, with you on top.

The Khmer Rouge, the Stalinists, the Nazis -- they all wanted unity too, each of them on their terms, of course.
Have you not heard?

"The last shall be first and the first shall be last"?

To truly be a Baha'i, one Must be of service to others, to love mankind, to be truthful, steadfast, well-wishers of mankind, see all humanity as the fingers of one hand and to coordinate with others to heal the sicknesses of the whole body of mankind.

"The Son came not to be served, but to serve."

Abdul Baha was called the Master because He was the Servant of the Glory of God. His religion was to serve mankind. This was the essence of His belief, and because of this, He is held to be the Exemplar of every Bahai on earth.

How we serve is up to us, but our work is worship of God through aiding His servants. We elevate ourselves above no one. Our purpose in life is to be of service.

How, Sophia, can I be of service to you?
 
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As long as it's the kind of unity that you want, with you on top.

The Khmer Rouge, the Stalinists, the Nazis -- they all wanted unity too, each of them on their terms, of course.
Do you know of any religious organization which refuses monetary contributions from everyone except their own members? Who solicit no one for the building of Temples which are open to everyone of any religion?

No one is permitted to promote themselves, or any other, as candidates for any office or Assembly. All elections are prayerful and individuals vote their conscious for whoever they view as the most capable, selfless servants within their community. There are no campaigns, no running for office, no priesthood.

All donations are kept private and accepted only from Bahais who have lived by Bahai Laws and principals. Gross violators are sanctioned in part by forbidding contributions to be accepted and participation in Administratve affairs. They are still Bahais, but unless their behavior is reflected in their lives, they cannot flaunt themselves before their victims. The standards are high, but not crippling.

Religious superioity is anathema to this Faith. In the Bahai view, there is only one eternal religion, progressively revealed by the one God through His Manifestations.

" This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him who seeketh attain it. And as to him who refuseth to seek it, God verily, is above any need of His creatures."

Baha'u'llah

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Religious superioity is anathema to this Faith.
Because it is de facto declared anyway.
 
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Ah, playing dumb again ...

The Jews claim to be God's chosen people. Several times throughout history, other people didn't just accept this Jewish claim, but instead put the Jews to the test. "Really, you're God's chosen people? Alright, let's see!"

That's what people get in this world when they claim to be God's chosen people, or when they claim to have The One and Only Right Knowledge of God.
Other people don't just stand there and take it.
God's chosen people! The Bahá'ís? Who said that? Who on earth would advance such a stupid view? The only task of the Bahá'ís is to be lower than the earthworms!

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As long as it's the kind of unity that you want, with you on top.

The Khmer Rouge, the Stalinists, the Nazis -- they all wanted unity too, each of them on their terms, of course.
Sophia - Always finding another problem?

IMHO Your examples have no Just base of comparison. In boxing it would be judged a blow below the belt, OR COMPARING A DOG POO TO AN APPLE :-)

I come from the other direction always look for the solution, that is the positive in all things.

Actually for this Unity most happy to be at the very Bottom, would be most Glad to have the earth eat me up for it to be so. I am unsure what and why you think there is an elevated station to be gained in the quest for the unity of mankind.

Maybe that is why you are here to find out that we and our opinions are nothing. Actions can only bring about change. Words have lost their power to convert. Of course another big subject.

The Author of all Good is the only one with the power to convert, the only one that forgives, the only one that grants Faith or withholds it. No Man will ever be on "Top". Funny how the Greatest of all Men made themselves the Lowest of all Men and made themselves the punching bags of all the ignorant, that the ignorant would consider being just.

Well worth considering

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God's chosen people! The Bahá'ís? Who said that? Who on earth would advance such a stupid view?
The moment someone says that his religion is the best or truest or in some other way above all others, is the moment this person elevates themselves (at least in their own eyes) above all others.


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Always finding another problem?
Always trying to stifle anyone who thinks differently?

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IMHO Your examples have no Just base of comparison. In boxing it would be judged a blow below the belt, OR COMPARING A DOG POO TO AN APPLE
The reality is that some of the most violent, mass-murdering social systems on earth have started out as small, idealistic movements in pursuit of prosperity, unity, harmony.

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I am unsure what and why you think there is an elevated station to be gained in the quest for the unity of mankind.
You're unsure because you twist things around.

You want unity - but you want it on _your_ terms. You don't care about other people's ideas about unity. You keep showing that in how you make an effort to stifle discussion.

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Maybe that is why you are here to find out that we and our opinions are nothing.
That would be the case if there would be _no_ connection between what a person thinks and what said person does.

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Actions can only bring about change. Words have lost their power to convert. Of course another big subject.
Words _are_ actions.

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Current Situation of Bahais in Iran

This is another link to the latest news of the Iranian Baha'is

https://www.bic.org/media/Current-si...Bahais-in-Iran

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Iranian Press Watch

This is also a good link

Iran Press Watch - Documenting the Persecution of the Baha'i Community in Iran
 
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Always trying to stifle anyone who thinks differently?
No saying that it could be we should look for the connections not the apparent disconnections

Much like what is on this link. The Golden rule examples, the rest of the site has some mmmm's

Versions of the Golden Rule in 21 world religions

But you are still free to approach the subject as you wish!

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Old 08-25-2015, 09:38 AM   #35
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The moment someone says that his religion is the best or truest or in some other way above all others, is the moment this person elevates themselves (at least in their own eyes) above all others.
"the moment this person elevates themselves"

Come on! That's just twisting words! You are more knowledgeable than that!

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Old 08-25-2015, 10:50 PM   #36
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"the moment this person elevates themselves"

Come on! That's just twisting words! You are more knowledgeable than that!
Theists and non-theists simply are not equal. If they would be equal, the same name could be used for both.

You are trivializing theism if you equate theists and non-theists.
 
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No saying that it could be we should look for the connections not the apparent disconnections
I think that you approach can indeed produce a seeming unity, a seeming harmony. But I think it is just a superficial, impermanent unity, harmony that is produced that way.

Much like one can spend some time under water while holding one's breath -- while we all know that that's not an enduring state one could be in.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 10:58 PM   #38
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I think that you approach can indeed produce a seeming unity, a seeming harmony. But I think it is just a superficial, impermanent unity, harmony that is produced that way.

Much like one can spend some time under water while holding one's breath -- while we all know that that's not an enduring state one could be in.
In History it stops working, when one chooses not to

Now if everyone chose to then....

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And people can live under water simply by holding their breath ...
 
Old 08-26-2015, 12:10 AM   #40
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And people can live under water simply by holding their breath ...
There is "Can not see the Forrest because of the tress", as well

The Forrest is regenerating after a long winter!

One has to appreciate that it takes a Season to regenerate, then the fruit is picked. Look past the changes of this season to the season of fruit on its way.

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