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Old 05-04-2017, 01:18 PM   #1
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Persecution of our Jehovah's Witnesses friends

Dear all

Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) are Christians that, like Bahai, have been persecuted since mid XIX centurty and right now, as I write this, are subject to active persecution by the Russian government.

The JW, like the Bahai, stress the oneness of God, the distinction between God and Jesus as Manifestation of God, and the spiritual (not physical) resurrection of Christ. Like the Bahai, they have no clergy, are overtly pacifist and do not actively seek political power. My mother is currently a JW and now I am now sharing with her my interest in the Bahai Faith.

Please read the related article and include them in your prayers.
Preserving liberties of every human being around the world is something that concerns us all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...in-persecution

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Old 05-04-2017, 03:54 PM   #2
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Dear all

Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) are Christians that, like Bahai, have been persecuted since mid XIX centurty and right now, as I write this, are subject to active persecution by the Russian government.

The JW, like the Bahai, stress the oneness of God, the distinction between God and Jesus as Manifestation of God, and the spiritual (not physical) resurrection of Christ. Like the Bahai, they have no clergy, are overtly pacifist and do not actively seek political power. My mother is currently a JW and now I am now sharing with her my interest in the Bahai Faith.

Please read the related article and include them in your prayers.
Preserving liberties of every human being around the world is something that concerns us all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...in-persecution
Camacho,

You are right it is sad and tragic that Russia has decided to persecute and ban Jehovah's Witnesses. They have done nothing to deserve it, and are no harm to any government, since they strictly avoid politics.
 
Old 05-04-2017, 11:12 PM   #3
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Greetings Camachoe,

Religious persecution is often founded on fear. If any government has any concerns over the way followers of any religious community practices their faith they can always engage is discussions with them or introduce legislation to curb any activities they find offensive. A complete ban that criminalises a religious practice however, as ruled by the Russian Supreme Court on the 20th of April against Jehovah Witnesses, is a rather extreme solution to a religious community that will obey the government and the law of the land.

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Old 05-05-2017, 11:31 AM   #4
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...sad and tragic that Russia has decided to persecute and ban Jehovah's Witnesses. They have done nothing to deserve it...
Refusing to obey laws necessary for sustaining the State is not "nothing"; from the article:
...important tenet of their faith is their refusal of military service. They refuse conscription and even non-violent “war work”. This stance led them to be persecuted in almost all the countries that fought the second world war. They were imprisoned in Britain and the US...
imho putting the State at risk will always have consequences.
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Like the Bahai, they have no clergy, are overtly pacifist...
We need to be clear that Baha'is are not pacifists. We serve when ordered and while we request non-combatant status we bear arms when the request is denied.
 
Old 05-09-2017, 11:40 PM   #5
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Refusing to obey laws necessary for sustaining the State is not "nothing"; from the article:
...important tenet of their faith is their refusal of military service. They refuse conscription and even non-violent “war work”. This stance led them to be persecuted in almost all the countries that fought the second world war. They were imprisoned in Britain and the US...
imho putting the State at risk will always have consequences.
We need to be clear that Baha'is are not pacifists. We serve when ordered and while we request non-combatant status we bear arms when the request is denied.
Well, I'm still a fan of old Western movies. 'Pull your wagons in a circle, pilgrims."
And if the Sheriff of Mecca says he needs a posse and all able bodied men are expected to saddle up, then so be it.
Its a test, for sure, that hits many conscientious objector types, including Baha'is of that nature, but individually so, as the Instututions of the Baha'i Faith do not categorically back up the conscientious objector position (to my understanding, pilgrim)
Rather, if called upon, we are to serve, although we are encouraged to seek non-combatant service where possible.
The government of any country must be able to rely upon its citizenry, and of course the Baha'is are to obey the government.
But when the government, or those it places in authority, cross certain lines of morality, i.e. My Lai massacre of Viet Nam in 1968, or Wounded Knee massacre in 1890 ... etc, every soul must follow his or her conscience.
Even in the case of the Martyrdom of the Bab, He instructed Sam Khan, commander of the Armenian Regiment ordered to execute the Bab:

. "Follow your instructions... and if your intentions be sincere, the Almighty is surely able to relieve you of your perplexity."
 
Old 05-10-2017, 12:43 PM   #6
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Dear all

Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) are Christians that, like Bahai, have been persecuted since mid XIX centurty and right now, as I write this, are subject to active persecution by the Russian government.

The JW, like the Bahai, stress the oneness of God, the distinction between God and Jesus as Manifestation of God, and the spiritual (not physical) resurrection of Christ. Like the Bahai, they have no clergy, are overtly pacifist and do not actively seek political power. My mother is currently a JW and now I am now sharing with her my interest in the Bahai Faith.

Please read the related article and include them in your prayers.
Preserving liberties of every human being around the world is something that concerns us all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...in-persecution
Dear camachoe,

I much appreciate this post. I too feel that we should consider the tribulations of others who suffer for important causes. I also agree with the comments, but as a Bahá'í itt happens now and then that I am struck but the amount of truth that can be found in different religious communities. Not so long ago, I run into a smallchurch in Sweden that has had lots of trouble with authorities. When reading their texts, I realized that very much of their analysis of the ills of today's society was right to the point. It had, however, led them to a stance of opposition to authorities.

So, although we cannot support their fights with the authorities, we can show our respect for their principles and maintain good relations with them as individuals.

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