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Old 02-13-2011, 04:56 PM   #1
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So given the state of affairs in the world, I would like to get a broader opinion of the role Freemasonry plays today.
 
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:05 PM   #2
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So given the state of affairs in the world, I would like to get a broader opinion of the role Freemasonry plays today.
Baha'is are not Freemasons and cannot be members.. Best place to answer your question would be to ask a Freemason.
 
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Orthodox are also not allowed to become free masons on pains of excomunication and anathema, primarily because we dont know what the Freemasons do exactly.
 
Old 02-13-2011, 07:48 PM   #4
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That was not the purpose of the query. It was as stated. Do I look like I'm running a membership drive?
 
Old 02-13-2011, 07:53 PM   #5
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I just figured with some of the other discussions going on here I'd like to see what kind of opinions are around, if any. I thought studying other cultures and religions was a small facet of being in the Faith.
 
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So given the state of affairs in the world, I would like to get a broader opinion of the role Freemasonry plays today.
From my Freemason friend I hear it is a mens club.
 
Old 02-13-2011, 08:15 PM   #7
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Baha'is are not Freemasons and cannot be members.. Best place to answer your question would be to ask a Freemason.
And I have. I have an old friend that is. He couldn't answer some questions, because of the restrictions. But as most people, it's what they don't say sometimes that reveal more than what they do.
Secrets of the Freemasons by Michael Bradley is probably the only book you will find that tells as much of the truth as allowed.
Another thing I'd like to bring up is that even the Baha'i faith has been linked in some instances to the whole N.W.O. rigamarole. With instances of the words "new world order" and "illuminati" appearing in some writings supposedly. When talking about the old Persian order The Society of the Friends.

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New world order (Bahá'í) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 02-14-2011, 01:31 PM   #9
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I have just Googled "N.W.O" and discovered that there is a conspiracy theory. I think it is an unfortunate co-incidence when it comes to references to New World Order.

The Bahá'í Faith teaches that Bahá'u'llah has brought teachings for all of mankind as we move towards what is referred to as "The Lesser Peace" - a political worldwide peace, followed by "The Most Great Peace". As I understand it, the current turmoil in the world is viewed as the inevitable collapse of the old system, to make way for the Lesser Peace when things like an auxilliary language and a worldwide currency will be accepted. There is some debate as to whether we are in the middle of the collapse of the old World Order of if worse is to come and your opinion on that may just depend on where in the world you are!

Following collapse, of course there will be a rebuilding and I believe people will learn from their mistakes. Bahá'ís do not conspire to destroy current systems or goverments to have them replaced or anything like that but we do have opinions on the inevitability of this collapse and we do believe that Bahá'úllah had divine knowledge and wisdom.

Bahá'ís also aspire to serve their communities and are likely to do what they can in this respect. We also like to share Bahá'u'llah's message. The rolling up of "The old world order" and the unfurling "of the new world order" are terms used sometimes in Bahá'í literature but that does not mean that we are in any way conspiring with other organisations to put in place a certain system and it does not necessarily mean that our vision of what will happen equates to the vision of others who use those words.

I wouldn't know what role Freemasonry plays today. I don't think they publicize their activities. The Bahá'ís tend to focus on what they are doing and have open, friendly links with a lot of religious and other groups but I am not aware of Freemason groups wanting to mix with other groups in that way. I could be wrong. I am not aware of the activity of a Freemason group where I live. Is it because they are secretive or not here? I don't know.
 
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I think some of the smaller lodges really don't have any influence except in their local communities. And from what I gather, all in all, it's more of the other mystery schools that have absorbed themselves into the infrastructure of Masonry (Rosicrucians, Templars, Illuminati) that are responsible for some of the problems in society. Or at least have more pull in those aspects.
 
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Another few comments on another post below

Baha'i Library Forum - View topic - Freemason & Baha'i

Cheers Tony
 
Old 02-14-2011, 11:59 PM   #12
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Here's more links I think relevant

Albert Pike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://fedgeno.com/documents/morals-...lbert-pike.pdf

Do some research on the supposed letter Pike wrote mapping out an outline for 3 world wars
 
Old 03-02-2011, 07:39 PM   #13
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This link has been most helpful in understanding a lot of what is going on as well. Believe it or not, there is a lot of truth hidden here.
http://sevenstarhand.org/Vatican_Lie...steries_r3.pdf
 
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I hope you understand "illogical" that Baha'is are not associated with Freemasons and cannot belong to any Lodges...
 
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As long as you now understand that I am not a Mason and don't anyone to join a lodge. In fact, I'm always trying to keep people away. But information is important and must be shared.
 
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Both of my uncles and many of my closest cousins are Freemasons, one of whom is a member of the world's most elite Masonic order. He is up in the highest echelons of the Masonic organistion, brushing with some of the world's elites - royals, businessman, judges etc. They both joined the society when they were very young, mostly. All I know is that it helped boost their careers - one of them is now a high-flying businessman. Masons help each other out. They have some secret ways of letting other masons know that they are Masons when applying to jobs, which I know but obviously will not divulge. They also have a special handshake that lets others know they are Freemasons.

A lot of Masons try to deny that these "Secret" mannerisms and techniques exist but I can tell you as a relative of many Freemasons, they do. Personally, the whole thing freaks me out, and whenever we have family dinner parties and I am introduced to strange, foreign men I just know, "Oh God, another of his Freemason chums". They are like a brotherhood. Most young men join if they are down on their luck, unemployed and want to "get on in the world". And believe me, being a Freemason DOES get you on in the world. But it isn't all sunshine. Freemasons expect to be paid back in return for all the help you get becoming a businessman, or a President or a mayor. Its a case of, "I'll scratch your back, so long as you scratch mine". They expect favours in return. So your kind of tied to them for life, and whatever position or money you earn is supposed to be used at some point in some form of service to your own Lodge.

Its like a kind of elite club.

If Freemasonry has broader world aims, other than being a springboard for young aspiring entrepreneurs, then I don't know. They also have all manner of odd rituals but claims that they kill people, or conduct human sacrifices, or worship Satan etc. is all rubbish. They are strange people, yes, but not "evil".

Other than that, I know nothing else. It is a very secretive, strange, cult-like organisation, however I think its primary purpose is to boost one's career - and so it isn't necessarily 'nefarious', although I think that the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, Baha'i Faith and others are right to distrust it for the reasons I have outlined. Many Presidents and world leaders have been freemasons. As a Catholic, I am banned on pain of excommunication from joining a Freemason Lodge.

My Uncles and other family members are Protestant Christians, which is why they are at liberty to join.

Since I have so many family connections to the Masonic Order, have been to a Masonic pub and Lodge near where I live and have two next door neighbours who are Masons, I have been immersed in the middle of the organisation since childhood, which is why I have some "insider" like knowledge regarding it. However their are restrictions placed on members, so there is probably a lot that my family members are keeping from me.

I reject the idea that Freemasons have any nefarious, shadowy goals of World domination through illuminati, Bilderberg group and the like as pure myth, complete conspiracy theory. Of course, Freemasonry is like a pyramid, the further you go up, the more you know but honestly most of it is lies. Freemasonry is peculiar but its mostly an elite club which gives people a helping hand with their careers. From a Christian, and Baha'i perspective, such self-centered capitalism is opposed, which I think is the main reason why Freemasonry is opposed - NOT because they seek world domination or are influencing world events.

That is just tosh.

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Here is probably a more specific guidance for Baha'is:

"The point is not that there is something intrinsically wrong with Masonry, which no doubt has many very high ideals and principles, and has had a very good influence in the past.

"The reasons why the Guardian feels that it is imperative for the Bahá'ís to be dissociated from masonry at this time, and I might add, other secret associations, is that

we are the building blocks of Bahá'u'lláh's New World Order...

the Bahá'ís should be absolutely independent, and stand identified only with their own teachings.

That is why they are requested to withdraw from membership in the church, the synagogue, or whatever other previous religious organization they may have affiliated with,

to have nothing whatsoever to do with secret societies,

or with political movements etc.

It protects the Cause;

to reinforces the Cause,

and it asserts before all the world its independent character."

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, February 12, 1956

Compliations, Lights of Guidance, p. 421

LIGHTS OF GUIDANCE
A Bahá'í Reference File
Compiled by Helen Hornby

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Old 03-03-2011, 11:36 AM   #18
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So.......Yesh, have you ever heard of Bohemian Grove? I hear all those people your family hang out with like to get together there once a year and party with other world leaders. You should do some research. I honestly don't think there's a global conspiracy that has been in place for millenia. But many like-minded people working for similar goals is conspiring. Especially when the majority of them belong to those lodges. And the Baha'i are a perfect example of how a lot of like-minded people can make great things happen. Did you know that because of recent papers made public by the U.S. government that there is proof that during WWII, Prescott Bush (George Dubyah's grandfather) was funneling arms and money to the Nazis? Recent history has shown that this seems to be a family tradition. Know of the Iran-Contra scandal? American history is really interesting.
 
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As a general rule Baha'is don't really get into conspiratorial or partisan discussions..
 
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Even if to expose said conspiracy would be of a great benefit to mankind? I highly doubt that. But thank you. Volumes more are spoken by your silence than your words.
And this has nothing to do with partisan politics. This is fact.
 
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I did some research on them before. Even considered joining back when I was a little crazy. lol. But to me, they seems like something you should steer clear of just in case the rumors are true. But IDK
 
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I'm writing here as an active Freemason and one who deeply admires the tenets and beliefs of the Baha'i faith. I think that, as a Mason of 15 years and 14th Degree Scottish Rite Mason, I should clarify a few facts for further thinking:
1. Masonry is not a religion; Masons only ask a member to believe in a Supreme Being, also known as The Great Architect of the Universe. I have been in Lodges with Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Baha'i, Buddhist, Sikh and Pagan members.

2. Religious Discussion: At no time whatsoever, is religion allowed to be discussed in Lodge. Ever. Or politics.

3. Secret Organisation: Contrary to popular belief, Freemasonry is NOT a secret organisation. However, it does have secrets. These are the Grip, Pass Grip, Word and Sign of a Master Mason. Otherwise, it is freely open.

4. Women & Freemasonry: The Blue Craft Lodges are for men only. However, The Order of the Eastern Star is also for women. Craft Masons are males only but guidance is that men and women are equal. Always. Has been that way since the 1700's.

5. Adjunct Bodies: There are adjunct bodies to Freemasonry, such as York Rite, Scottish Rite, De Molay and others. They are NOT Masonic. Some are very Christian in their viewpoints, such as De Molay. Personally, I do not like this. But they must NOT be considered Masonic in any way. They are adjunct and are NOT ever considered Masonic.

6. The Persecution of Masons: In World War 2 Hitler considered Masons to be supportive of Jews and many Masons were sent to concentration camps. In Europe, Freemasonry went underground and by the 1970's Masonry was considered a "secret society" and many of the older generation (not mine) stayed quiet. This has largely contributed to the present day views that Freemasonry is a secret society...it was for about 10 years as Nazi's persecuted Masons as they did Jews and Muslims.

7. But G is for God: Only in North America is the "G" found in the middle of the Square and Compass symbol. Many say it means the Christian term of "God" - this is not true. It means "Geometry" in actual fact.

The reality is that Freemasonry is a system of morality and philosophy of living. It is to teach men to be respectful of others, that women are our equals in all ways, that humanity is one. Masons see themselves as protectors of the arts, religions, society, sciences and culture, while being of any faith, yet living morally, and belonging to ones religion of choice. I think there is much harmony in Masonry that does not go against the teachings, values, morals and beliefs of the Baha'i faith, which is so wonderful and beautiful in it's teachings.
 
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Yeshua,may I ask what your uncles think of you being catholic
 
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