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Old 10-28-2016, 11:57 PM   #1
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Cannot Remember a Specific Quote

Hello friends. I have taken on a task that will likely keep me occupied for many years to come - I am going to investigate the many religions that exist in the world, in search of the truths that may be hidden within them. In keeping to an agreement with a Rastafari friend of mine, I have started with the Rastafari movement.

As most who are familiar with the movement know, it incorporates the spiritual use of marijuana into it's beliefs. This is where I am having trouble with my quote!

I recall a quote, and I think it may have been said by the Guardian or Abdu'l-Baha, about the spiritual use of drugs. I think it was something along the lines of there being better/alternative ways to become closer to God. However, I am having trouble finding this quote - If it even exists. Does it exist, or am I mistaken? If so, would someone kindly be able to point me to it?

Many thanks,
-Saveyist
 
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Old 10-29-2016, 01:02 PM   #2
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All quotes I recall about using mind altering drugs forbid their use.

I recall that what is said is along the lines of why would one take a substance that alters our God Given Reasoning.

See if I can find that one.

By the way Baha'u'llah has already done this for us, that is given us the Truths contained in all the Holy Books. He gifted us with the Hidden Words. The introduction says;

HE IS THE GLORY OF GLORIES

"This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue."

Thus if we study these, the intent of all the Holy books will be manifested to us.

Regards Tony

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Old 10-29-2016, 01:49 PM   #3
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Greetings Tony,
I think I may have found the quote I was thinking of, though it was said by the UHJ. I'm not 100% certain if it is what I am thinking of but it is close.
“Concerning the so-called "spiritual" virtues of the hallucinogens ....spiritual stimulation should come from turning one's heart to Bahá'u'lláh and not through physical means such as drugs and agents....” , which was written in 1965.

"Baha’u’llah continually urges man to free himself from the superstitions and traditions of the past and become an investigator of reality, for it will then be seen that God has revealed his light many times in order to illumine mankind in the path of evolution, in various countries and through many different prophets, masters and sages." Abdu’l-Baha, Divine Philosophy

We have also been called to be investigators of reality! And this is the way I have started investigating, you could say. I look forward to learning more and more about the faiths of the world, and truly, the Baha'i faith has inspired me to do so. I truly love being a Baha'i.
 
Old 10-29-2016, 01:54 PM   #4
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Well done, I found what that Universal House of Justice advice is based on

"Beware of using any substance that induceth sluggishness and torpor in the human temple and inflicteth harm upon the body. We, verily, desire for you naught save what shall profit you…" – Baha’u’llah, The Most Holy Book, p. 75.

Enjoy the journey of discovery

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-29-2016, 01:58 PM   #5
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You might search the writings of Shoghi Effendi, particularly in "Lights of Guidance" or "Directives of the Guardian". In one or perhaps both, you can look up the topic of drugs / alcohol. There is something in one of them reminiscent of what you are seeking.

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Old 10-29-2016, 01:59 PM   #6
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Regarding hashish

This was interesting. Good to have it posted on this thread.

Regarding hashish . . . Gracious God! This is the worst of all intoxicants, and its prohibition is explicitly revealed. Its use causeth the disintegration of thought and the complete torpor of the soul. How could anyone seek the fruit of the infernal tree, and by partaking of it, be led to exemplify the qualities of a monster? How could one use this forbidden drug, and thus deprive himself of the blessings of the All-Merciful? Alcohol consumeth the mind and causeth man to commit acts of absurdity, but this opium, this foul fruit of the infernal tree, and this wicked hashish extinguish the mind, freeze the spirit, petrify the soul, waste the body and leave man frustrated and lost. – The Most Holy Book, Notes, p. 239.

Regards Tony
 
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Thank you both!
 
Old 10-29-2016, 02:09 PM   #8
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Greetings Tony,
I think I may have found the quote I was thinking of, though it was said by the UHJ. I'm not 100% certain if it is what I am thinking of but it is close.
I hope you are well and Happy Saveyist

I do recall the quote you are after. Did not find it yet, I am sure it is an Abdul'baha talk.

This is good, along those lines it is a great advice

O ye, God’s loved ones! Experience hath shown how greatly the renouncing of smoking, of intoxicating drink, and of opium, conduceth to health and vigour, to the expansion and keenness of the mind and to bodily strength. There is today a people who strictly avoid tobacco, intoxicating liquor and opium. This people is far and away superior to the others, for strength and physical courage, for health, beauty and comeliness. A single one of their men can stand up to ten men of another tribe. This hath proved true of the entire people: that is, member for member, each individual of this community is in every respect superior to the individuals of other communities.
(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 150)

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-29-2016, 02:25 PM   #9
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Thank you once more! I should also add that, in order to better understand the faith I have been learning about (Rastafari), I am writing a.. blog-esque type of thing on the Rastafari movement and what aspects of it could potentially line up with Baha'i, and the things that separate it from Baha'i. I'm quite excited, I may post a link to it (Currently I am 1/2 done and it is ~6 pages) for the people on this forum to read. I figure one of the best ways to understand something after learning it, is to explain it :P
 
Old 10-29-2016, 02:51 PM   #10
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Thank you once more! I should also add that, in order to better understand the faith I have been learning about (Rastafari), I am writing a.. blog-esque type of thing on the Rastafari movement and what aspects of it could potentially line up with Baha'i, and the things that separate it from Baha'i. I'm quite excited, I may post a link to it (Currently I am 1/2 done and it is ~6 pages) for the people on this forum to read. I figure one of the best ways to understand something after learning it, is to explain it :P
Thank you, look forward to the read.

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-29-2016, 05:15 PM   #11
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Here is a link to a blog that quotes and references all of the relevant content from "Lights of Guidance" that I mentioned.

Cheers
 
Old 10-30-2016, 08:36 AM   #12
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Tony quoted:

Quote:
O ye, God’s loved ones! Experience hath shown how greatly the renouncing of smoking, of intoxicating drink, and of opium, conduceth to health and vigour, to the expansion and keenness of the mind and to bodily strength. There is today a people who strictly avoid tobacco, intoxicating liquor and opium. This people is far and away superior to the others, for strength and physical courage, for health, beauty and comeliness. A single one of their men can stand up to ten men of another tribe. This hath proved true of the entire people: that is, member for member, each individual of this community is in every respect superior to the individuals of other communities.
(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 150)
Thank you Tony. The footnote related to this quote identifies the tribal "people" referred to in the the quote to the "Sikhs" of His day.

-LR
 
Old 10-31-2016, 11:29 AM   #13
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From your post, I'm guessing this is the specific one you're looking for:

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Originally Posted by From a letter of the Universal House of Justice to the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States, April 15, 1965: National Bahá’í Review, No. 3, March 1968
“Concerning the so-called ‘spiritual’ virtues of the hallucinogens… spiritual stimulation should come from turning one’s heart to Bahá’u’lláh, and not through physical means such as drugs and agents.
“From the description given in your letter it appears that hallucinogenic agents are a form of intoxicant. As the friends, including the youth, are required strictly to abstain from all forms of intoxicants, and are further expected conscientiously to obey the civil law of their country, it is obvious that they should refrain from using these drugs.
“A very great responsibility for the future peace and well-being of the world is borne by the youth of today. Let the Bahá’í youth by the power of the Cause they espouse be the shining example for their companions.”
In short: Sure drugs may be able to induce spiritual trance, but there're better methods to gain that effect.
 
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