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Old 11-09-2014, 07:57 AM   #1
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Divine Love

I have been thinking of love, and how there are many different types of love.
I once had a dream where I was told I would not experience the love I sought until the next world., of course the love I spoke of was divine love, not the other weaker loves.

I often in letters etc speak of my love for others, I often notice they never respond in kind, I have meditated on that, and feel it is just fear, fear that they may be thought of as strange, bi-sexual or some other fear. just my thinking. A lot of our actions are because of our early life/upbringing. We need to slowly change remove the old outer garment of this world and its ways, such as I see with the UHJ asking us now to use the Badi calendar, we are to put on our new garment of Baha'i.

I found this interesting story..................

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John [Bosch] was present on November 19 at the Master’s last public talk; ‘Abdu’l-Bahá pointed to John on this occasion and addressed the talk to him: He spoke of divine love, and how different it is from human love, which fails in the testing and in which there is no element of self-sacrifice. He told John that the Persian believers loved him, although they could not speak their love, and that if John went to Persia they would if necessary give up their own lives to protect his. He said: ‘When lovers meet it may be that they cannot exchange a single word, yet with their hearts they speak to one another. Thus do the clouds speak to the earth and the rain comes down; the breeze whispers to the trees; the sun speaks to the eyes of men. Although this is not actual speech yet this is the way in which the hearts of the friends communicate... For instance, you were in America and I was in the Holy Land. Although our lips were still yet with our hearts we were conversing together.’ (‘Abdu’l-Bahá, “The Universal Language of the Spirit", Star of the West, October 1922, p. 163)
I have this feeling also with certain close friends, dear Romane will understand of what I say.

Love to all
bill
 
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:03 AM   #2
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This also brought tears to my eyes.............

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The Master spoke of the many letters He had answered that morning and of the packages still unopened. Mr Kinney said: “I will write Your letters for You!” Our Lord: “Very good; very good. Write a letter and answer it yourself. Look into your heart and see the answer. The answer is what is written on the tablet of your heart. That which is written upon paper is subject to corruption and various accidents, such as consumption by fire and moth, but that which is inscribed on the tablet of the heart is imperishable and everlasting. A day will come when all My communications upon paper—all My writing – will be effaced. But that which I have inscribed upon the hearts will not be effaced. There is no end to it. For I write the Word of the Love of God upon the hearts, and the Word of God is eternal.”
(The Diary of Juliet Thompson, page unknown)
 
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Dear BlinkeyBill,

You seem to read my mind. I too was thinking about love. It comes in every shape and colour. One can experience it as vibrations in the air, as tremblings of the heart, as light seen in the eyes of others. It comes as loving actions.

We talk a lot about love and understand so little of it. But what I have come to feel so strongly over the years, is how good we are at talking about it, at sensing those vibrations, but we seldom follow the example of 'Abdu'l-Bahá: he wasn't merely leaning back enjoying those vibrations - he stood up and did something. To Him, love was indistinguishabe from action. He watered the garden outside of His Father's shrine, he went to people's homes and actually did house-cleaning.

And that's my idea of love: love can actually be the result of a decison to do loving things. One doesn't have to sit down and wait for those vibrations and stirrings to come along: one can actually start by doing loving things.

And that, for example, actually is what I tell my children: "You say that you love me, and then you don't do the things that I ask for, like cleaning up your room. That's not real love - that's just words."

And it goes the other way too. It's happened in my life that I feel those vibrations and stirrings, but then I look at that person (usually a woman) and look for the action, and I don't see loving things done.

Oh, it's so complex....
 
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I have been thinking of love, and how there are many different types of love.
I once had a dream where I was told I would not experience the love I sought until the next world., of course the love I spoke of was divine love, not the other weaker loves.

I often in letters etc speak of my love for others, I often notice they never respond in kind, I have meditated on that, and feel it is just fear, fear that they may be thought of as strange, bi-sexual or some other fear. just my thinking. A lot of our actions are because of our early life/upbringing. We need to slowly change remove the old outer garment of this world and its ways, such as I see with the UHJ asking us now to use the Badi calendar, we are to put on our new garment of Baha'i.

I found this interesting story..................



I have this feeling also with certain close friends, dear Romane will understand of what I say.

Love to all
bill
what a wonderful quote dear Bill and such a beautiful topic to talk about "love". the most profound kind of love as we all believe is the love towards God but as we are living in this world, then worldly love finds importance too. but this is so sad that real love cannot be found easily (I dont know if it has always been the same or it is just the modern world). and it is even sadder if when we at last succeed in finding the true love, then we cannot reach it. it is soooooo sad, a big big suffering. I believe that love problems are the most difficult problems one can deal with; they directly affect one's heart. I wish and I pray that once people find their true love, they can have the needed help to stay close....
 
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Dear BlinkeyBill,

You seem to read my mind. I too was thinking about love. It comes in every shape and colour. One can experience it as vibrations in the air, as tremblings of the heart, as light seen in the eyes of others. It comes as loving actions.

We talk a lot about love and understand so little of it. But what I have come to feel so strongly over the years, is how good we are at talking about it, at sensing those vibrations, but we seldom follow the example of 'Abdu'l-Bahá: he wasn't merely leaning back enjoying those vibrations - he stood up and did something. To Him, love was indistinguishabe from action. He watered the garden outside of His Father's shrine, he went to people's homes and actually did house-cleaning.

And that's my idea of love: love can actually be the result of a decison to do loving things. One doesn't have to sit down and wait for those vibrations and stirrings to come along: one can actually start by doing loving things.

And that, for example, actually is what I tell my children: "You say that you love me, and then you don't do the things that I ask for, like cleaning up your room. That's not real love - that's just words."

And it goes the other way too. It's happened in my life that I feel those vibrations and stirrings, but then I look at that person (usually a woman) and look for the action, and I don't see loving things done.

Oh, it's so complex....
Oh, it's so complex......................Yes it is

You make my heart throb with delight dear friend, that you see what I see, you probe deeper in the meanings.
And certainly your observation of The Master, for truly he was the master of love in action, I sadly see too few follow his actions. I even wrote a poem about this very thing so many years ago, and have been attacked in another forum for making people feel guilty, guilty would you believe they attacked me for this?
When I feel guilt at anothers words, I search my heart and strive to do better. And may I say pray to God in thankfulness for sending me someone to show me my error.

Oh yes it is a very deep subject this, the reason I placed it in the forum, for I look at the responses, to learn, hopefully more than I understand at this time in my life.

In another thread the person spoke of people who only do good deads because of the dread of punishment, this of course is true for many, but I feel just the first stage towards true understanding that we do good deeds out of love, with no thought of reward.

Yes I loved your response dear gnat.
 
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what a wonderful quote dear Bill and such a beautiful topic to talk about "love". the most profound kind of love as we all believe is the love towards God but as we are living in this world, then worldly love finds importance too. but this is so sad that real love cannot be found easily (I dont know if it has always been the same or it is just the modern world). and it is even sadder if when we at last succeed in finding the true love, then we cannot reach it. it is soooooo sad, a big big suffering. I believe that love problems are the most difficult problems one can deal with; they directly affect one's heart. I wish and I pray that once people find their true love, they can have the needed help to stay close....
Ah dear sister I feel your pain deep within my heart, and if possible I would reach out and take your suffering and place it within myself, but I can't, only The Blessed Mystery can do this, so only to him can we turn looking for strength and comfort, knowing for a truth that He is The All powerful The all understanding.

One observation dear sister I will make to you, in the past I had a deep and overriding love for another who I eventuly had the pleasure of marrying, I was so very happy, I considered God had answered my prayers. Only to discover when I was in need, coming down with the illness I have (no treatment) when becoming so ill and feeling the comfort of having such a loving partner, she then rejected me, with the words she did not marry a sick man. There are no gurantees in this life, but after more than 60 years, sacrificing my life for The Beloved of the World, I was brought to the doorstep of one who has loved with fidelity, how I thank God for His mercy to me, near the end of my days to find such.

I am reminded in the Old Testament bible of a woman late in age who God told would have a son, she laughed at first for she considered herself too old to have children, but God is all Wise and All Loving and she had a most wonderful son.

Dear sister who's love I have felt so close to my heart, I pray that you will also find that you seek, have faith have trust, but in the meantime dear sister you have been such a loving sister and friend to so many here in this forum, speaking for myself, you are so close to my heart, a true loving and comforting sister, may God reward you greatly.

with love from my heart and thanks
bill
 
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thank you, thank you, thank you my brother Bill your words contained so much positive energy and hope (as always). and thank you for reminding me of the story of the old woman who had a child in old age (maybe that is the woman with whom, Mary, Jesus mother, had been living?). so when God is this much kind why should we lose hope? you gave me hope again, thank you....
 
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Know thou of a certainty that love is the secret of God's holy dispensation, the manifestation of the All-Merciful, the fountain of spiritual outpourings. Love is heaven's kindly light, the Holy Spirit's eternal breath that vivifieth the human soul. Love is the cause of God's revelation unto man, the vital bond inherent, in accordance with divine creation, in the realities of things. Love is the one means that ensureth true felicity both in this world and the next. Love is the light that guideth in darkness, the Living link that uniteth God with man, that assureth the progress of every illumined soul. Love is the most great law that ruleth this mighty and heavenly cycle, the unique power that bindeth together the divers elements of this material world, the supreme magnetic force that directeth the movements of the spheres in the celestial realms. Love revealeth with unfailing and limitless power the mysteries latent in the universe. Love is the spirit of life unto the adorned body of mankind, the establisher of true civilization in this mortal world, and the shedder of imperishable glory upon every high-aiming race and nation.
Whatsoever people is graciously favored therewith by God, its name shall surely be magnified and extolled by the Concourse from on high, by the company of angels, and the denizens of the Abha' Kingdom. And whatsoever people turneth its heart away from this divine love-the revelation of the Merciful-shall err grieviously, shall fall into despair, and be utterly destroyed. That people shall be denied all refuge, shall become even as the vilest creatures of the earth, victims of degradation and shame.
O ye beloved of the Lord! Strive to become the manifestations of the love of God, the lamps of divine guidance shining amongst the kindreds of the earth with the light of love and concord.

Selected Writings of Abdu'l-Baha'

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!! Love is everything, we must always strive to show and share the love burning within our hearts and veins. We can never be afraid to show our love for God and everyone who walks upon this earth! We strive to be those lamps shining brightly, lit by the love within us. Love is the one thing I feel with such great urgency. Love is not tranquil, it is service and it is meant to be shared. I love all of you very much, maybe not every moment of every day, but then I am in no ways perfect, but it is who I strive to be, a person shedding love at every step. Love shouldn't be a secret!

Loving regards,
Becky

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Know thou of a certainty that love is the secret of God's holy dispensation, the manifestation of the All-Merciful, the fountain of spiritual outpourings. Love is heaven's kindly light, the Holy Spirit's eternal breath that vivifieth the human soul. Love is the cause of God's revelation unto man, the vital bond inherent, in accordance with divine creation, in the realities of things. Love is the one means that ensureth true felicity both in this world and the next. Love is the light that guideth in darkness, the Living link that uniteth God with man, that assureth the progress of every illumined soul. Love is the most great law that ruleth this mighty and heavenly cycle, the unique power that bindeth together the divers elements of this material world, the supreme magnetic force that directeth the movements of the spheres in the celestial realms. Love revealeth with unfailing and limitless power the mysteries latent in the universe. Love is the spirit of life unto the adorned body of mankind, the establisher of true civilization in this mortal world, and the shedder of imperishable glory upon every high-aiming race and nation.
Whatsoever people is graciously favored therewith by God, its name shall surely be magnified and extolled by the Concourse from on high, by the company of angels, and the denizens of the Abha' Kingdom. And whatsoever people turneth its heart away from this divine love-the revelation of the Merciful-shall err grieviously, shall fall into despair, and be utterly destroyed. That people shall be denied all refuge, shall become even as the vilest creatures of the earth, victims of degradation and shame.
O ye beloved of the Lord! Strive to become the manifestations of the love of God, the lamps of divine guidance shining amongst the kindreds of the earth with the light of love and concord.

Selected Writings of Abdu'l-Baha'

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!! Love is everything, we must always strive to show and share the love burning within our hearts and veins. We can never be afraid to show our love for God and everyone who walks upon this earth! We strive to be those lamps shining brightly, lit by the love within us. Love is the one thing I feel with such great urgency. Love is not tranquil, it is service and it is meant to be shared. I love all of you very much, maybe not every moment of every day, but then I am in no ways perfect, but it is who I strive to be, a person shedding love at every step. Love shouldn't be a secret!

Loving regards,
Becky
Oh dear Becky, of a certainty none of us is perfect, but I see your light burning very brightly, it is often a beacon of assurance and love.

My love to you also, may we meet one day where true love (divine love) is all around.
bill
 
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I am sure we shall all know each other in the Abha kingdom. One more thing to look forward to!!!
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While out walking last night, I had a thought about how much I'd like to give God a hug. I know that's impossible, at least in a physical way....but I did 'feel' a hug in return!
 
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While out walking last night, I had a thought about how much I'd like to give God a hug. I know that's impossible, at least in a physical way....but I did 'feel' a hug in return!
There ya go
And why not when God feels, receives our love, we are told His can reach us.
I feel you elation dear friend.
 
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I am sure we shall all know each other in the Abha kingdom. One more thing to look forward to!!!
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Well, actually, there's something strange about the Web: not being able to see each other, we can open our souls to each other in a way that we usually don't do with people in our own communities. So, in a sense, this forum has something in common with heaven.

Here I see people who really expose their deepest emotions and ask for advice on the most difficult issues in their lives. And often - not always, of course, that would be too good - they get sincere and loving comments.

That is so useful. As Bahá'ís, we are faced with particular challenges that we really need to discusss with others in similar situations.

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Well, actually, there's something strange about the Web: not being able to see each other, we can open our souls to each other in a way that we usually don't do with people in our own communities. So, in a sense, this forum has something in common with heaven.

Here I see people who really expose their deepest emotions and ask for advice on the most difficult issues in their lives. And often - not always, of course, that would be too good - they get sincere and loving comments.

That is so useful. As Bahá'ís, we are faced with particular challenges that we really need to discusss with others in similar situations.

Best,

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Again dear friend you say things that make me think.

Why is it that we do not open ourselves with love to those we meet each day? I speak here about other Baha'is.
I guess it is because, as I have discovered not all Baha'is are trustworthy to give a loving response. ( just my experience) sad is it not?
So we are afraid, afraid that the other will wound, hurt etc, what a sad thing.
Have had it happen to me, and fall back in shock, because I could not do such a thing.
Of course sometimes we may offend when we are striving to give loving advise, this can happen I have seen. A person asks for some advice and follows up with the statement please be honest, and when a person is honest the other is offended. big smile. why ask to be honest if we are going to be offended???

I have found also some of my dear baha'i friends are a little strange, was told by one person they could never ever appologise for hurting another, wow I was speachless with surprise at this statement.

I have loved this quote of the Guardians very much..............

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321. Believers Should Draw on Each Other's Love
"Indeed the believers have not yet fully learned to draw on each other's love for strength and consolation in time of need. The Cause of God is endowed with tremendous powers, and the reason the believers do not gain more from it is because they have not learned to draw fully on these mighty forces of love and strength and harmony generated by the Faith."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, May 8, 1942: Living the Life, p.8)
So for me, I feel we should go out of our way to treat others with honesty and love, what I mean here is to show that we understand someone elses problem, give empathy, not sympathy, show we also are not perfect, and love and compassion. the second pillar of the institutions, which sometimes is forgotten. The twin pillars are Cosultation and Compassion.

Just some thoughts from am old man.
Loving regards
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And Love is the word that I'd like to use to describe what i feel when I'm on this forum. Personally though in my own life there are things that i do that manifest anything but love at times. It reminds me of those words from the Obligatory Prayer:
O God, my God! My back is bowed by the burden of my sins, and my heedlessness hath destroyed me. Whenever I ponder my evil doings and Thy benevolence, my heart melteth within me, and my blood boileth in my veins. By Thy Beauty, O Thou the Desire of the world!

But i know that God's Love for me is infinite. I see it in the smile of other's faces. I hear it kind words spoken to me. I see it in my friends and family. In nature, in science, the world, and ironically it is there in the hearts of those who might not "appear" so loving to me. Even in the hearts of the wicked all over the world is held this Pearl of Great Price, the Kingdom of God. Which is why God is so Merciful. And I'm reminded that if Love is all there is then that means God is truly all there is because as St. John said "God is Love".

Whenever i look for inspiration to love i just read the Gospel stories and meditate especially on the Passion of Christ. His Blood on the cross was for all of us. We just have to ask God how to love like that and sure enough He'll answer because "what father gives his son a stone if he asks for bread?"

But as far as my love goes despite my guilt, i am also reminded that God doesn't "need" my love because He doesn't need anything. He's just waiting for me to respond. As Abdul Baha said: "with love nothing is too much trouble and there is always time".

So i believe that if all humanity surrendered, we can all become Christs, mother Threseas, Abdul Bahas, Ghandis, etc. of course not literally but you know : )
 
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Well, actually, there's something strange about the Web: not being able to see each other, we can open our souls to each other in a way that we usually don't do with people in our own communities. So, in a sense, this forum has something in common with heaven.

Here I see people who really expose their deepest emotions and ask for advice on the most difficult issues in their lives. And often - not always, of course, that would be too good - they get sincere and loving comments.

That is so useful. As Bahá'ís, we are faced with particular challenges that we really need to discusss with others in similar situations.

Best,

from

gnat

...How good it is if the friends be as close as sheaves of light, if they stand together side by side in a firm unbroken line. For now have the rays of reality from the Sun of the world of existence, united in adoration all the worshippers of this light; and theses rays have through infinite grace, gathered all peoples together within this wide-spreading shelter; therefore must all souls become as one soul, and all hearts as one heart. Let all be set free from the multiple identities that were born of passion and do sire, and in the oneness of their love for God find a new way of life.

Abdu'l-Baha'

I find, Gnat, that since becoming active on this forum, learning "listening" and sharing, I have become more open to sharing in my little community....asking questions, offering my understanding, actively participating and I have come to realize some of them share my own sense of urgency to serve and move things along. I have said before, how much I appreciate this forum, and that feeling hasn't lessened one iota I sincerely look forward to having my life touched by all of you. Tomorrow we head back to Oklahoma where I am truly an isolated believer so this forum will become a lifeline. And, we are so deep in the country, I have to drive a few miles up the road to get service, so I will not be online as much. But there, are opportunities to serve, around every corner,so I really look forward to that. Everyone on this forum performs such a great service to the rest of us....providing an opportunity to grow and deepen in our faith.

Thank you and loving regards,
Becky
 
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And Love is the word that I'd like to use to describe what i feel when I'm on this forum. Personally though in my own life there are things that i do that manifest anything but love at times. It reminds me of those words from the Obligatory Prayer:
O God, my God! My back is bowed by the burden of my sins, and my heedlessness hath destroyed me. Whenever I ponder my evil doings and Thy benevolence, my heart melteth within me, and my blood boileth in my veins. By Thy Beauty, O Thou the Desire of the world!

But i know that God's Love for me is infinite. I see it in the smile of other's faces. I hear it kind words spoken to me. I see it in my friends and family. In nature, in science, the world, and ironically it is there in the hearts of those who might not "appear" so loving to me. Even in the hearts of the wicked all over the world is held this Pearl of Great Price, the Kingdom of God. Which is why God is so Merciful. And I'm reminded that if Love is all there is then that means God is truly all there is because as St. John said "God is Love".

Whenever i look for inspiration to love i just read the Gospel stories and meditate especially on the Passion of Christ. His Blood on the cross was for all of us. We just have to ask God how to love like that and sure enough He'll answer because "what father gives his son a stone if he asks for bread?"

But as far as my love goes despite my guilt, i am also reminded that God doesn't "need" my love because He doesn't need anything. He's just waiting for me to respond. As Abdul Baha said: "with love nothing is too much trouble and there is always time".

So i believe that if all humanity surrendered, we can all become Christs, mother Threseas, Abdul Bahas, Ghandis, etc. of course not literally but you know : )
Yes dear Traveler I understand what your are trying to put in words, I feel it in my heart.

You speak of being a sinner as we all are, the very reason God has given us these wonderful prayers asking for forgiveness and mercy. And yes He is beyond the need of anything from His creatours but we are not, He looks to see if we are honest, loving etc, and deals with us accordingly, I believe.

Loving regards to you
 
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God wants us to love Him. As he knows how warm we feel when we love. Who better to love than our creator God?
 
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God wants us to love Him. As he knows how warm we feel when we love. Who better to love than our creator God?
Indeed dear friend And to show our love in deed s
 
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