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Old 12-15-2010, 01:40 AM   #1
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Non Baha'i Holidays

O.k. so with Christmas and New Year's comming up I decided to read a bit about non Baha'i holidays. Now most Baha'is I know celebrate Christmas(the secular version of it anyways) so I read up on some quotes from Shoghi Effendi and found this.

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“As regards the celebration of the Christian Holiday by the believers; it is surely preferable and even highly advisable that the friends should in their relation to each other discontinue observing such holidays as Christmas and New Years, and to have their festival gatherings of this nature instead during the Intercalary Days and Naw-Rúz….”
Now do you think he is refering to the religious Christmas only or the Secualr cultural Christmas holiday? What are your thoughts on this quote? What about those of us that have inter faith marriages?
 
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:35 AM   #2
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What about those of us that have inter faith marriages?
As has already been pointed out, while Baha'is generally don't celebrate the holy days of other religions (if we did, we'd already be busy most of the year!), Baha'is are fully free to celebrate Christmas and other such holy days with their non-Baha'i famlies and friends! Interfaith marriage clearly falls under this circumstance.

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Old 07-11-2012, 10:38 AM   #3
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I am assuming yes, but Baha'is celebrate secular/cultural holidays, right? Thanksgiving, Canada Day, Kwanzaa, Labour Day?
 
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I think the key words in this quote are, 'in their relation to each other'. This quote is talking about what Baha'is celebrate or don't celebrate amongst themselves, not what they do in relation to their non-baha'i friends and relatives.

Indeed, there doesn't seem much reason for a few Baha'is to have a special Christmas celebration if it were just for themselves, as this is a new Dispensation and we have plenty of special Holy Days to observe.

I know I spend Christmas with my family, even though they don't call themselves christian nor do they have a religious affiliation, but for them the day has cultural and family significance.

Now I thought there is a quote that says we are free to participate in the Holy Days of earlier religions, but I can't find it at the moment.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 09:38 PM   #5
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i have a study circle and the Bahá'í mother (who is not in the circle) and her daughter (who is) both asked this question recently. They are both recent Bahá'ís and last year two of our Bahá'í friends helped them organize a "party" during the Posadas days in their house - we are in Mexico by the way. So all of the neighborhood now thinks that the Bahá'ís celebrate Christmas (or at least Posada parties) - lol.

The mother and daughter and i have had several consultations and i just found the quote by the beloved Guardian on the subject and emailed it to the daughter.

Other than the above i don't think i'm going to pursue the subject anymore unless they broach the subject again. The mother also has her two non-Bahá'í adult children in the home, one of whom is married. At this point it's just not something i need to get all bent out of shape about. i like to remember that we all are on what we like to call a path of learning.

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i have a study circle and the Bahá'í mother (who is not in the circle) and her daughter (who is) both asked this question recently. They are both recent Bahá'ís and last year two of our Bahá'í friends helped them organize a "party" during the Posadas days in their house - we are in Mexico by the way. So all of the neighborhood now thinks that the Bahá'ís celebrate Christmas (or at least Posada parties) - lol.

The mother and daughter and i have had several consultations and i just found the quote by the beloved Guardian on the subject and emailed it to the daughter.

Other than the above i don't think i'm going to pursue the subject anymore unless they broach the subject again. The mother also has her two non-Bahá'í adult children in the home, one of whom is married. At this point it's just not something i need to get all bent out of shape about. i like to remember that we all are on what we like to call a path of learning.

Have a great evening!
Ola Fred, and Merry Christmas!! ;-)

On Saturday I visited the church of the Adventists where I used to live and where, for a couple of years, I overcame my inertia and regularly attended their services in an effort to get to know the people of my community. They know that I am a Baha'i, but I did my best to content myself with only making mention of Him and give a few copies of the Hidden Words to a select few over time.

Baha'u'llah tells us to "Consort with the followers of relgions in a spirit of friendliness" and in the course of their Holy Days, we can very much enjoy their celebrations, and this builds bridges of trust and deepens friendships.

We need to be seen as part of their "us", and not as their them, and to do this, we need to be one with them. Abdul Baha attended the local mosque in Akka for many years.

I think it needs to be "ok" for Baha'is to feel comfortable in other religious environments, so long as we do not allow ourselves to be manipulated from the pulpit or show any acts of submission to authoity figures and perpetuate their illusions in that regard.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 11:07 PM   #7
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I think the key words in the quote above are "in their relation to each other". Basically: it's pointless for Bahá'ís to send christmas cards to each other. The rest is rather harmless. And: christmas is fun.

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Old 12-15-2014, 04:44 AM   #8
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I haven't celebrated Christmas (or even New Year's which is much more arguably secular) in a very long time. I try to ignore it the best I can, because I find the whole secular aspect of it too commercial and irreverent; paying it much attention only gets me down. When I know someone who is Christian and who celebrates it religiously, and sacredly, however, I don't mind coming to a church, attending a mass, or sharing a Christmas blessing or greeting with them. For all the rest, I completely pass.

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i have a study circle and the Bahá'í mother (who is not in the circle) and her daughter (who is) both asked this question recently. They are both recent Bahá'ís and last year two of our Bahá'í friends helped them organize a "party" during the Posadas days in their house - we are in Mexico by the way. So all of the neighborhood now thinks that the Bahá'ís celebrate Christmas (or at least Posada parties) - lol.

The mother and daughter and i have had several consultations and i just found the quote by the beloved Guardian on the subject and emailed it to the daughter.

Other than the above i don't think i'm going to pursue the subject anymore unless they broach the subject again. The mother also has her two non-Bahá'í adult children in the home, one of whom is married. At this point it's just not something i need to get all bent out of shape about. i like to remember that we all are on what we like to call a path of learning.

Have a great evening!
Hello dear friend so happy to see you in the forum. You have ressurected an old thread, but one that has importance for many people at this time.

Yes as an all Baha'i family we are to only celebrate our Baha'i Holy days, but in mixed families we are to show respect for other beliefs and Holy days. It is I feel a simple thing to explain to others, that we as Baha'is have different Holy days, the same as Christians do not celebrate Holy days of past religions, it is the same for us.

I as a Baha'i in a mixed marriage (years ago) also celebrated with non Baha'i family Christian Holy days, it is part and parcel of keeping unity in ones family.

We need to go to those who may give us Christmas presents, at our time of sharing gifts and then give them a gift this I feel helps them to understand our small differences. But of course in our love of God and all His Holy Messengers we agree and are the same.

And you are most wise we should not get all bent up about such small issues. There are many quotes in the writings for people in mixed marriages, family relationships etc, one has to have love and compassion always.

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PS. my Ubuntu is working great by the way, although still cant get my Ocean to download new downloads, does not recogise it is on the internet.
 
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As an aside, I can't get Ocean anywhere and I miss it badly
 
Old 12-15-2014, 04:38 PM   #11
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As an aside, I can't get Ocean anywhere and I miss it badly
Apparently it was discontinued. I'm a bit miffed about that as well, because I thought, "Oh, I might be able to get Ocean and look up that quote my gf mentioned before..." but nope.
 
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Also, to be clear, there aren't Baha'i holidays around the time of Christmas? It's a little hard to keep track because it seems like due to the 19 day calendar holidays tend to move quite a bit. I think for her part my Baha'i girlfriend celebrates secular Christmas and New Year's Eve for herself, along with her Baha'i mother and CEO (Christmas Easter Only) Catholic father.

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Old 12-15-2014, 05:25 PM   #13
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As an aside, I can't get Ocean anywhere and I miss it badly
Try this then

Interfaith Explorer - Download.com

It has a Lot of Books in the Library, it updates when more are available as well. After I downloaded this I did the update and it put in over another 200 (I think) reference books!

Not sure its search engine is as good as ocean though, maybe a tech person can comment on that?

God Bless and Regards Tony

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Old 12-15-2014, 05:26 PM   #14
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Apparently it was discontinued. I'm a bit miffed about that as well, because I thought, "Oh, I might be able to get Ocean and look up that quote my gf mentioned before..." but nope.
Yes it has, bug in the system yet to be re released - But you could try this

Interfaith Explorer - Download.com

Not sure if it picks up as good as Ocean did though?

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
Old 12-16-2014, 05:32 AM   #15
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Dear friends there are two addresses on the internet for Ocean and one of them says it is closd for repairs, the other is open for business.

try.. Download Ocean - Research Library by Baha'i Education
 
Old 12-16-2014, 12:13 PM   #16
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Dear friends there are two addresses on the internet for Ocean and one of them says it is closd for repairs, the other is open for business.

try.. Download Ocean - Research Library by Baha'i Education
That unfortunately leads to the old, broken link. That was a good idea though.
 
Old 12-16-2014, 01:43 PM   #17
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That unfortunately leads to the old, broken link. That was a good idea though.
Strange when I use that link I supplied, it does not come to the page showing repairs?
I come to a page with a download checking for out of date drivers, and what appears to be a download for Ocean. I used this to download windows onto another computer after first discovering the first address for Ocean was no longer working. strange.

Sorry if it does not work for you.
I also sent a message to the owner of Ocean as I needed information in downloading and received a nice and quick response, has anyone tried contacting him?

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