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Old 02-29-2012, 07:05 PM   #1
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Tips for Fasting...

Since the Fast is only a few days away...strating dawn Friday I thought I'd gather some ideas that might help us....

For those not exempt from physical fasting here are some eating suggestions, submitted by Bahá'ís around the world, you may want to consider.

"I'm a little concerned by the number of suggestions to drink after you eat. The Writings are quite specific about this: "Take first the liquid food before partaking of solid food." Star of the West, vol. 13, no. 9 (Dec 1922), p. 252"

.......

"Eat mostly fruits in the morning. Avoid mixing acid and sweet fruits."

"Drink a glass or two of water upon waking. Ideally, you wouldn't drink water immediately after eating, but I like to rinse my mouth before sunrise and 'top up'."

"Learn more about 'food combining'."

"Have a large 'snack' before going to bed in the evening."

"Orange juice is way too sugary and will set you up for a huge blood sugar crash after breakfast."

"I tried eating 'dinner' for breakfast (protein, veggies, potatoes) and found I had more staying power."

"Fit for Life recommends not drinking water before you eat - it dilutes the stomach acids. Better to drink after you eat."

"I like to get up at least an hour before before sunrise so that I can eat (meat for me this year) and drink at least two LARGE glasses of water and still have time to say numerous prayers while the sun rises."

"Although I can drink as soon as I awaken in the morning, I literally get sick if I try to eat any thing before I've been up for several hours, so I would have to either get up at 1:00 AM at the latest or just not eat anything before sunrise if I hadn't discovered that a can of nutritional suppliment, such as a generic version of Insure Plus, keeps me going fine until sunset."

"Our small community (15 more or less) gathers for breakfast and dawn prayers during the fast. Each day a different family brings the breakfast - most feel the sense of community and sharing is enhanced."

"For me, the best way to maintain a 'full' feeling is to eat complex carbohydrates with fiber (e.g. oatmeal) in the morning. The complex carbos are digested slowly and so 'stay with you' and the fiber absorbs liquid and can actually expand in your stomach."
"…

for more tips:

Tips for the Bah' Fast


Some of the sites I found are Muslim sites on tips for Ramadan... Since our Fast is somewhat similar I offer these for consideration:

Dr. Farouk Haffejee of the Islamic Medical Association of South Africa
(Durban) has created a list of recommendations for dealing with
Ramadhan in a healthy fashion. They deal with common problems
encountered in Ramadhan.

Dr. Haffejee suggests that in the month of Ramadhan, "our diet should
not differ very much from our normal diet and should be as simple as
possible." He says that our diet should maintain our normal weight,
although he does mention that if one is over-weight, Ramadhan is a
good time to shed some pounds.

He also recommends foods that last longer.

"In view of the long hours of fasting, we should consume slow
digesting foods including fibre containing-foods rather than
fast-digesting foods. Slow digesting foods last up to 8 hours, while
fast-digesting foods last for only 3 to 4 hours," writes Dr. Haffejee.


Read more at

Food habits tips during Ramadhan

Here's another Muslim site:

And this morning meal is generally recognized as the single most important meal of the day. Do not overeat, though. Focus on taking in foods that are rich in complex carbohydrates and protein, fruits or vegetables, and plenty of water. For example: an egg on whole-grain toast, a few crackers with peanut butter, some orange slices, and two glasses of water.


•During the hottest part of the day, stay in cool areas (indoors or in shade) and limit your physical activity. Rest if possible.


•Avoid gorging yourself when breaking the fast at sunset. Follow the Sunnah: break your fast with dates and either milk, water, or fruit juice. After the maghrib prayer, continue with a light starter such as soup and crackers. After a long period of fasting, you need to bring your fluids and blood sugar level up without overdoing it.


Ramadan Health Tips - Health Advice for Fasting Ramadan

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Old 02-29-2012, 09:40 PM   #2
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Arthra - Thanks for the tips

I agree we should partake of the liquid first - It is in the writings.

Regards Tony
 
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Just picked up some "hints" re. fasting:

Smoking in Relation to the Fast


In one of His Tablets, 'Abdu'l-Baha, after stating that fasting consists
of abstinence from food and drink, further indicates that smoking is a
form of "drink." In Arabic the verb "drink" applies equally to smoking.

In the East, therefore, the friends abstain from smoking during the
hours of fasting, and friends from the East living in the West do
likewise.



But, as stated in our letter to the National Assembly of New
Zealand, this application of the divine law has not been extended to the
friends in the West for the present, and therefore it should not be made
an issue.



Letter from the Universal House of Justice, dated March 15, 1972, to
an individual believer

The Universal House of Justice has instructed us to say that the
prohibition of smoking as an aspect of fasting, as explained in Note 16
on page 59 of the Synopsis and Codification of the Kitab-i-Aqdas has not
yet been applied in the West and therefore the friends should not make
an issue of it.


Letter written on behaf of the Universal House of Justice, dated
July 17, 1980, to an individual believer


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Is it okay to chew gum during the fast? I am excited for my first fast thanks for the tips
 
Old 03-01-2012, 11:09 PM   #5
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Is it okay to chew gum during the fast? I am excited for my first fast thanks for the tips
Unfortunatly not

Day 1 just about over - hr to a drink & feed

The first few days are hard as the body starts objecting to not being fed.

Best of luck with it

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If anything I think chewing gun will stimulate your digestive system, at least i know it stumlates saliva production so it may not be the best idea. I am not sure if there is anything authoritative on taht though.
I imagine chewing flavourless gum would be the same as not ingesting food.
 
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Unfortunatly not

Day 1 just about over - hr to a drink & feed

The first few days are hard as the body starts objecting to not being fed.

Best of luck with it

Regards tony
interesting that is what my mum says. For me the the first few days are easy and later it gets hard...
 
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Is it okay to chew gum during the fast? I am excited for my first fast thanks for the tips
Truthseeker,

Let us know how you're doing...!

You know I haven't seen any guidance on chewing gum ... Maybe Tony has seen something but there is something from a Muslim site on chewing gum during Ramadhan that is interesting and may relate:

"It seems that the questioner is referring to the kind of chewing gum which is well known nowadays, which is a rubbery substance that usually contains sugar and artificial flavourings. Chewing this kind of gum leads to breaking the fast, because the sugars and flavourings dissolve in the saliva and enter the stomach. Undoubtedly this breaks one’s fast, because nutrients enter the stomach. But if the gum does not contain any substance that will dissolve and enter the stomach, then it does not break the fast."

Islam Question and Answer - Chewing gum in which there is sugar when fasting

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Well darn i guess its time to break my gum habit , well the first day of the fast went good for me. one hard part was after runing the mile in gym class i was thirstily, but i was able not to feel any hunger pains because school kept me bussy . The weekend is going to be harder for me cause i will have nothing to do. Thanks for the replys about the gum how many years have you guys been doing the fast?
 
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Truthseeker .. Thanks for sharing and it sounds like your off to a good start.

One of the things I do around lunchtime is start reading the prayers for the fast

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’í Prayers: A Selection of Prayers Revealed by Bahá’u’lláh, the Báb, and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 238-245

that usually takes about as much time as say a lunch anyway...

You're right in the beginning I found that the first few days are more difficult as your tummy is adjusting and complaining...but since you're healthy you can do it! I've fasted for some years and it did help my discipline .. and prayer life over time..at first it may seem difficult but you'll overcome the hunger pains and be better for it!
 
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Hey arthra, I have a question on those prayers: How are they supposed to be said? Just pick one and read it, read them all one after the other, or read one each day? Like Truthseeker, this is the first time I've seriously fasted (I have fasted in the past, while I was still part of the Christian church, but never for 19 days!). I started the Fast on time, and I was praying daily, but I didn't know about there being special prayers for the Fast until yesterday when a Baha'i that has been helping me get started in the Faith emailed me and told me about them.
 
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Hey arthra, I have a question on those prayers: How are they supposed to be said? Just pick one and read it, read them all one after the other, or read one each day? Like Truthseeker, this is the first time I've seriously fasted (I have fasted in the past, while I was still part of the Christian church, but never for 19 days!). I started the Fast on time, and I was praying daily, but I didn't know about there being special prayers for the Fast until yesterday when a Baha'i that has been helping me get started in the Faith emailed me and told me about them.
Eternal student..

You can read the prayers as you see fit... I was just suggesting reading them during lunch time to fill the time and read the prayers.
 
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Fifty one reasons to fast!

The Fast - YouTube
 
Old 03-04-2012, 10:10 PM   #14
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Well darn i guess its time to break my gum habit , well the first day of the fast went good for me. one hard part was after running the mile in gym class i was thirstily, but i was able not to feel any hunger pains because school kept me busy . The weekend is going to be harder for me cause i will have nothing to do. Thanks for the replys about the gum how many years have you guys been doing the fast?
Well done - I have attempted the Fast for 27 years. In the beginning years I have won & I have lost

It is always harder when you have nothing to do, for some reason when you have nothing to do we tend to want to snack or have a drink

What I have found is that the fast is always possible, even when doing hard manual labour (Fasting is exempt if you are doing heavy manual labour, but I found all you really need is an occasional drink so you do not get Heat Stroke, and it can be done).

This weekend we Sea Kayaked and even then I was able to go the day.

Best of British luck for the remainder of the Fast, just remember that one reason for the Fast is that it is a time to turn to prayer & reflection, if you do not make it, make a pact for next year

Regards Tony
 
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Thank you for the beautiful presentatie Arthra.
 
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Sequential method?

The first Fast prayer says: "This is, O my God, the first of the days on which Thou hast bidden Thy loved ones to observe the Fast." This year for the first time in 37 years I have read the Fast prayers sequentially, starting on the evening of March 1st after sunset with the first prayer. It seems special. I don't know that is the "way it is TO BE done", but it was an option that occurred to me and it seems special. I have "punished" myself in past years with the really long ones right at first, but this almost seems to ease one into Fast. Just another option?
 
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arthra: Thank you for clarifying that the prayers are not required.

cire perdue: I might try that. Or I might go with the saying one at lunch time (probably that one, so I have something to do instead of eat, lol.)
 
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I do not remember who or when, but one Persian stressed over and over that dawn was an especially important time to pray. He said with great humor that there were fewer messages to God at that time, because no one gets up early! The sequential thing just happened this year. Sometime with me it is like an creation of art and it is so thrilling when it happens that way!
 
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From a Baha'i blogger:


1. Eat a Slow-to-Digest Breakfast

Not all breakfasts are equal! When it comes to tasty breakfasts I love waffles and maple syrup, but although you’ll get a big sugar spike, the reality is a breakfast like that won’t sustain you very long. Nowadays I look for slower to digest foods with complex carbohydrates and protein rather than white carbohydrates and sugary breakfasts. My current favourite is a scrambled egg, wholegrain toast, some basil and tomato!

There’s no breakfast that is so slow to digest that it will keep you full the whole day – trust me I’ve tried them all – but better choices will at least last a little longer and avoid a post-sugar dip.

2. Drink water steadily through the night

It’s really important to be hydrated and that means water ingested regularly post-sunset. By nature I tend to wake up a couple of times a night and will keep water nearby to drink. I figure that in normal life I would drink during the day and not when I sleep, so flipping this over means my body will remain properly hydrated.

Dehydration on the other hand leads to headaches, dizziness and lots of unpleasantness. Aside from anything else, it’s very hard to feel spiritually connected when you have a migraine!

3. Don’t overeat in the evenings

When you haven’t eaten all day, it’s awfully tempting to stuff your face the moment the sun sets. Moreover it’s tempting to keep eating through the evening. While I still end up doing both of these reasonably often, I’ve found it’s much better to eat a moderate meal at sunset, and then a light and nutritious snack a couple of hours later, but avoid getting overfull at any point.

You definitely want to avoid too much salt since it will dehydrate you. Getting overfull is just generally an unpleasant feeling. And eating too much right before bed means you have far more chance of indigestion, heartburn, a poor night’s rest, and most importantly a lessened appetite in the morning.

Overeating in the evening is also the main reason you hear of people gaining weight during the Fast. Personally, I always think if I’m going to be hungry all month, I’d like to shed some pounds from it!

4. Get a Good Night’s Sleep

It’s all too easy to go to bed late when fasting, after all the evening is the time you have lots of energy and food! But if you want to wake up in time for breakfast, that means you’re likely to not get a lot of sleep. Do that over and over again for nineteen days and you can really wear yourself down. During the fast there are no Saturday morning sleep-ins, at least not if you want to have a meal to start the day!




Five Tips for a Healthy, Happy Fast | Baha'i Blog

Oh the fifth tip? Live in Helsinki...less daylight there...
 
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One thing that really helped today was reading the long fasting prayer during the lunch time!

See:

Meditations on the Long Fast Prayer – a Baha’i Perspective | Susan Gammage: Bahai-inspired Life Coaching
 
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One thing that really helped today was reading the long fasting prayer during the lunch time!

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Meditations on the Long Fast Prayer – a Baha’i Perspective | Susan Gammage: Bahai-inspired Life Coaching
That's a good site Arthra - Thanks for that

I usually only have an Aussie breakfast, that is a bowl of cornflakes, milk and with a bit of Honey. I put LSA Mix on top of that.

A cup of Tea and a glass of water and let the day begin

I try to eat the same size tea as normally I would do, but I have to admit I do have a few extra sweets sitting around for a snack after tea that I would normally not have.

Day 5 and all is good - Hope all is well with everyone on the Fast

Regards Tony
 
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That's a good site Arthra - Thanks for that

I usually only have an Aussie breakfast, that is a bowl of cornflakes, milk and with a bit of Honey. I put LSA Mix on top of that.

A cup of Tea and a glass of water and let the day begin

I try to eat the same size tea as normally I would do, but I have to admit I do have a few extra sweets sitting around for a snack after tea that I would normally not have.

Day 5 and all is good - Hope all is well with everyone on the Fast

Regards Tony
What's an "LSA Mix"? Never heard of that...

My breakfast is similar...Sometimes granola..or maybe pancakes.
 
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I've been eating whatever I can find. This morning I had a liquid breakfast, because I wasn't especially hungry (because I made the mistake warned about above... I overate last night! --_--). Tomorrow I think I'll have a bowl of Ezekiel 4:9 cereal, and some fruit (dried blueberries in my cereal, and an apple on the side).

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Speaking of Toast!

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I've been eating whatever I can find. This morning I had a liquid breakfast, because I wasn't especially hungry (because I made the mistake warned about above... I overate last night! --_--). Tomorrow I think I'll have a bowl of Ezekiel 4:9 cereal, and some fruit (dried blueberries in my cereal, and an apple on the side).
If you can have scriptual cereal, can I have holy toast? This is for real:

Holy toast! The Jesus toasters that are flying off the shelves this Christmas | Mail Online

This may be over the top, but it is out there and for real.
 
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What's an "LSA Mix"? Never heard of that...

My breakfast is similar...Sometimes granola..or maybe pancakes.
Arthra - L.S.A. Mix - Linseed, Sunflower Kernel and Almond Mix

Gives the cornflakes a bit of taste

Pancakes is a way to go

Regards Tony
 
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If you can have scriptual cereal, can I have holy toast? This is for real:

Holy toast! The Jesus toasters that are flying off the shelves this Christmas | Mail Online

This may be over the top, but it is out there and for real.
What can you say to that

Oh Dear???

Cheers Tony
 
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More on the Fast

From Margaret Tash


Why should we fast? What are the spiritual benefits?

“The fasting period, which lasts nineteen days…involves complete abstention from food and drink from sunrise till sunset. It is essentially a period of meditation and prayer, of spiritual recuperation, during which the believer must strive to make the necessary readjustments in his inner life, and to refresh and reinvigorate the spiritual forces latent in his soul. Its significance and purpose are fundamentally spiritual in character.”

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, January 10, 1936; in Lights of Guidance, p. 233)

How do we know the period of the Fast is special? Baha’u’llah writes: “Thou hast endowed every hour of these days with a special virtue, inscrutable to all except Thee…“ And again: “This is the hour, O my Lord, which Thou hast caused to excel every other hour, and hast related to the choicest among Thy creatures.“ Every hour? Even those hours I’m struggling, looking at my watch, waiting for sunset? Yes!

Did Baha’u’llah say that fasting would be easy? No. What a relief! But read on: “Even though outwardly the Fast is difficult and toilsome, yet inwardly it is bounty and tranquility. Purification and training are conditioned and dependent only on such rigorous exercises as are in accord with the Book of God and sanctioned by Divine law.” (Baha’u'llah, The Importance of Obligatory Prayer and Fasting)

If I’m unable to fast physically, or I’m exempt from fasting, can’t I just roll over and go back to sleep at the crack of dawn? You know the answer! Of course, if you are ill, get all the rest you need. Otherwise, don’t miss the opportunity to pray in the earliest hours of the day. Delve into the mystical prayers that unite our hearts with the Beloved of all hearts. Read the prayers revealed for the Fast, no matter what else is going on in your life. Savor the sweet-tasting words which Baha’u’llah revealed for this time, such as:

“What refuge is there beside Thee, O my Lord, to which I can flee, and where is there a haven to which I can hasten?… No protector is there but Thee, no place to flee to except Thee, no refuge to seek save Thee. Cause me to taste, O my Lord, the divine sweetness of Thy remembrance and praise.” Meditate as you listen to Van Gilmer and the Baha’i House of Worship Choir sing this prayer.

Were any of the sacred texts published for reflection during the Fast? Yes. “He is indeed pleased to know that the book of Prayers and Meditations by Bahá’u'lláh has been out in time to enable the friends to read it during the Fast, and he has every hope that the perusal of such a precious volume will help to deepen more than any other publication, the spirit of devotion and faith in the friends, and thus charge them with all the spiritual power they require for the accomplishment of their tremendous duties towards the Cause…” (Shoghi Effendi, Directives from the Guardian, p. 59) Read the full text of Prayers and Meditations.


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Tony wrote above:

"L.S.A. Mix - Linseed, Sunflower Kernel and Almond Mix

Gives the cornflakes a bit of taste"

Thanks Tony for getting back to me on that one...

Sounds great I'll see if I can try it!
 
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Beautiful Vimeo with Prayer for the Fast:

 
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If you can have scriptual cereal, can I have holy toast? This is for real:

Holy toast! The Jesus toasters that are flying off the shelves this Christmas | Mail Online

This may be over the top, but it is out there and for real.
Haha, Ezekiel 4:9 is a sprouted whole grain cereal. It is named after the passage in Ezekiel (chapter four, verse nine) where it says: "But as for you, take wheat, barley, beans, lentils, millet and spelt, put them in one vessel and make them into bread for yourself; you shall eat it according to the number of the days that you lie on your side, three hundred and ninety days." The cereal contains all those grains, sprouted. It's quite good, and extremely good for you. As for the Holy Toast... Uhhhhhhh... Am I the only one that thinks that a Jesus toaster seems kind of, idk, blasphemous almost?
 
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Love that!
 
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John Walbridge on the Baha'i Fast:

Fast ends sunset next Tuesday evening March 20th but there are a few excerpts from some Baha'i sources:


Fasting

by John Walbridge
published in Sacred Acts, Sacred Space, Sacred Time: Baha'i Studies volume 1
Oxford: George Ronald, 1996

Fasting is the voluntary abstention from nourishment, especially as a religious practice. The Bahá'í fast occupies the nineteenth month (`Ala') of the Bahá'í year, 2-20 March. Bahá'ís over the age of fifteen abstain from food and drink each day from sunrise to sunset.


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The Bahá'í fast is established in the Kitab-i-Aqdas1 and occupies much the same preeminent position that it does in Islam. Several passages in the writings of Bahá'u'lláh lay stress on its importance, listing it with the obligatory prayer as among the greatest of the ritual obligations. According to Bahá'u'lláh Himself, the Bahá'í fast is adapted from the fast ordained in the Bayan. ....

Although Bahá'u'lláh accepted the fast of the Bab, He altered the details of its regulations in many important respects. The Bahá'í fast is binding on all believers from the age of maturity, which for Bahá'ís is fifteen, until seventy. There is no provision made for children fasting.

The following individuals are exempted from fasting:

Travellers, providing their journey is to last at least nine hours or two hours on foot. If they break their journey for more than nineteen days, they are only exempt for the first three days after their arrival. If they return home, they must begin fasting on arrival.

The sick.

Women who are pregnant or nursing. Women who menstruating, who must instead repeat the phrase `Glorified be God, the Lord of Splendour and Beauty' ninety-five times between one noon and the next.3

Those engaged in heavy labour, who are advised to be discrete and restrained in availing themselves of this exemption. These groups are also exempted from fasting in Islam.

Bahá'u'lláh does not require missed days of fasting to be made up later, nor does He mention abstention from sexual relations. An individual who is exempt from fasting at any part of a day is exempt from fasting the entire day. Smoking, `Abdu'l-Bahá explained, is called `drinking smoke' in Arabic, and so smoking is banned while one is fasting.4

The fast is binding on Bahá'ís in all countries but it is an individual obligation, not enforceable by Bahá'í administrative institutions. The secondary regulations of fasting, such as the prohibition on smoking, are at present only binding on Bahá'ís of Middle Eastern background.5 Bahá'ís are allowed to fast at other times of the year but as this is not encouraged, it is rarely done. Bahá'u'lláh permitted the making of vows to fast but preferred that such vows be `directed to such objectives as will profit mankind'.6 While in Edirne Bahá'u'lláh revealed a number of prayers for fasting (munajat or alvah-i-siyam), although one of them contains a reference to `Akka. These prayers, some rather lengthy, are the most important statements on the spiritual meaning of the fast in the Bahá'í scripture: for example, `. . . Thou hast bidden all men to observe the fast, that through it they may purify their souls and rid themselves of all attachment to any one but Thee . . .'7 Fasting itself is only acceptable if it is done purely out of love for God.



Notes
1 Bahá'u'lláh, Kitab-i-Aqdas, para. 10.
2 The Bab, Arabic Bayan 8:18; Persian Bayan 8:18.
3 Bahá'u'lláh, Kitab-i-Aqdas, para. 13.
4 Bahá'u'lláh, Kitab-i-Aqdas, n. 32.
6 Bahá'u'lláh, Kitab-i-Aqdas, question 71.
7 Bahá'u'lláh, Prayers and Meditations, p. 79.

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Old 03-06-2013, 01:06 AM   #34
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Fasting itself is only acceptable if it is done purely out of love for God.
I don’t think it is in the Writings. Am I right?
 
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I don’t think it is in the Writings. Am I right?
What?

Fasting, or love for God?

Because I can assure you that both are in the Baha'i scriptures!

Peace, :-)

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Anton,

Thanks for your post..! Here's what I found about fasting and the love of God...

O army of God! A letter signed jointly by all of you hath been received. It was most eloquent and full of flavour, and reading it was a delight.

Ye had written of the fasting month. Fortunate are ye to have obeyed the commandment of God, and kept this fast during the holy season. For this material fast is an outer token of the spiritual fast; it is a symbol of self-restraint, the withholding of oneself from all appetites of the self, taking on the characteristics of the spirit, being carried away by the breathings of heaven and catching fire from the love of God.


~ Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdul-Baha, p. 69
 
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Fasting itself is only acceptable if it is done purely out of love for God.
So, if I’m fasting say 97% out of love for God, 2% out of obedience and 1% out of fear of God, my fasting will not be accepted? That is harsh!
 
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So, if I’m fasting say 97% out of love for God, 2% out of obedience and 1% out of fear of God, my fasting will not be accepted? That is harsh!
If you're a statistician it does make it hard....!

By the by that quote "Fasting itself is only acceptable if it is done purely out of love for God." is from

http://bahai-library.com/?file=walbr...opedia_fasting

I can't claim it as my own....

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...If you're a statistician....
Actually we need to consider how this Saturday will be the second Saturday of the fast and while tomorrow is only the first Friday of the fast the next Friday is the last one. What that means is that tomorrow is the last fast first day and next week is the fast first last day.

Howzat?
 
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So, if I’m fasting say 97% out of love for God, 2% out of obedience and 1% out of fear of God, my fasting will not be accepted? That is harsh!
Yes we must always look to the writings as to the wisdom of the Fast, not to why Man thinks it must be so.

If you read the writings and decide to obey the law for any of your given reasons, that is for Love, for Obedience or for Fear of God. Then I would say you have achieved what is required

All those three attributes are required & very desirable.

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