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Old 06-07-2015, 11:13 AM   #1
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Wise words about marriage

I found this blog post written by a Catholic, to provide some profound insights on the nature of marriage:

The Theology of Laundry: Regretting your Marriage Doesn’t Mean it was a Mistake
 
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:51 AM   #2
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I found this blog post written by a Catholic, to provide some profound insights on the nature of marriage:

The Theology of Laundry: Regretting your Marriage Doesn’t Mean it was a Mistake
It's all very good if we talk about mutual commitment to the marriage. But what do we say about one-sided commitment? That is, one spouse trying to make it work, and one spouse who doesn't care?

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Old 06-08-2015, 12:40 PM   #3
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It's all very good if we talk about mutual commitment to the marriage. But what do we say about one-sided commitment? That is, one spouse trying to make it work, and one spouse who doesn't care?

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That dear Gnat, is mostly the case. Without the Unity of purpose, then!

No easy answer unless there is unity in the process.

Thus good to concentrate on all that can make it successful!

God bless and regards Tony
 
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It's all very good if we talk about mutual commitment to the marriage. But what do we say about one-sided commitment? That is, one spouse trying to make it work, and one spouse who doesn't care?

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Dear Gnat, there are 3 sides, yours, hers and what actually happened
 
Old 06-08-2015, 11:17 PM   #5
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Dear Gnat, there are 3 sides, yours, hers and what actually happened
Aidan That is so true All of the time, what we see, what others see is all based on only what we see and then a lot of times what we perceive we see.

There is good advice in the Article that Matthew Posted.

I do think that we are victims to the time, we were warned that Materialism would take hold of us just as it would mankind, Baha'i are not exempt. The Laws are the Stronghold, the Fortress. Thus it could, note I said "could" be actually more of a challenge for a Baha'i to stay married!

I say that as because we have been called to be a new race of Men we have a vision of what that could be. When in a relationship that one party does not see that vision and then attempts to divert the the other from that goal, then there are decisions that are to be made.

Do you compromise the Goal knowing if you do not, then departing is inevitable. Or do you stick with and Compromise the Goal.

lot more to be considered that what is posted if children are involved, but was just to give food to further thought

I will leave that for all to consider, as when it happens it is only you that can make that choice between you and God.

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Well divorce is a problem that goes far beyond the capacity of many of our institutions at present. It is possible that the Guardian's words were to the point at the moment when they were written. Today, however, I'm afraid that divorce is not so much a problem as a symptom.

I am not talking about little cute conflicts about one spouse who wants to vacation in the mountains and another who wants to go to the beach. There is a terrible lot of pure evil around.

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Well divorce is a problem that goes far beyond the capacity of many of our institutions at present. It is possible that the Guardian's words were to the point at the moment when they were written. Today, however, I'm afraid that divorce is not so much a problem as a symptom.

I am not talking about little cute conflicts about one spouse who wants to vacation in the mountains and another who wants to go to the beach. There is a terrible lot of pure evil around.

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Dear Gnat - We also have to consider how we react to all that is not of God within people.

If we do this as the Master did, then life for all would be vastly different. The Guardian's advice to me is Timeless within this dispensation.

That we all fall short and conflict and diunity arises falls upon all of us that play any roll within it. Knowing this the choice becomes even harder.

May God guide us all and to note I am not talking down to you but from the dirt up to you, I have had 2 attempts, both as a Baha'i.

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May God guide us all and to note I am not talking down to you but from the dirt up to you, I have had 2 attempts, both as a Baha'i.

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Oh, I know you don't. As usual, we have a respectful and soul-searching exchange. That's why I love this site. I've realized that here a number of people have come together, with very, very difficult experiences behind them - the kind of experiences that really are too difficult for a single soul to handle.

But what I see in the Guardian's words is that he addresses the issue of self-realization, that is the feeling of one spouse that can be expressed like "I can't reach my full potential in this marriage", "I feel suffocated by my spouse" or "I could live a fuller, richer life without my spouse". So, the way I see it is that he addresses those people who wish to divorce for a higher purpose, who think that they can be more true to themselves and even be better Bahá'ís if they choose to divorce. That is, the belief that it could be possibile to be even more virtuous by getting out of the present marriage

What he doesn't address or condemn, in my opinion, is the issue of a spouse who realizes that the marriage, far from being virtuous, is creating a vice-ridden family, where crime, physical and psychic abuse is the norm - a family that is a shame to its members and to the community, a family that causes physical and psychological disease, that shortens its members' lifespan. In short, a family where you have to fundamentally compromise the basic virtues of the Faith - a family, where family "solidarity" obliges you to constantly lie and go against the very Source of your life.

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Oh, I know you don't. As usual, we have a respectful and soul-searching exchange. That's why I love this site. I've realized that here a number of people have come together, with very, very difficult experiences behind them - the kind of experiences that really are too difficult for a single soul to handle.

But what I see in the Guardian's words is that he addresses the issue of self-realization, that is the feeling of one spouse that can be expressed like "I can't reach my full potential in this marriage", "I feel suffocated by my spouse" or "I could live a fuller, richer life without my spouse". So, the way I see it is that he addresses those people who wish to divorce for a higher purpose, who think that they can be more true to themselves and even be better Bahá'ís if they choose to divorce. That is, the belief that it could be possibile to be even more virtuous by getting out of the present marriage

What he doesn't address or condemn, in my opinion, is the issue of a spouse who realizes that the marriage, far from being virtuous, is creating a vice-ridden family, where crime, physical and psychic abuse is the norm - a family that is a shame to its members and to the community, a family that causes physical and psychological disease, that shortens its members' lifespan. In short, a family where you have to fundamentally compromise the basic virtues of the Faith - a family, where family "solidarity" obliges you to constantly lie and go against the very Source of your life.

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My dear suffering brother, you paint a picture of hell on earth. How horrible for you who loves his kids so much!!!
 
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My dear suffering brother, you paint a picture of hell on earth. How horrible for you who loves his kids so much!!!
Dear Aidan,
I'm afraid that, these days, this is a very common picture of a divorce.

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Actually, in this present reality, marriage is kind of old school. It's about relations between physical people sharing physical space. Ever thought of what's happening right now? Life is all about relations in virtual reality. We have friends in the cyber world, exchange sms with each other. Here, we have an excellent virtual Bahá'í community. Maybe we should concentrate more on adapting to the cyber world, like applying our values to web relations?

Not that I appreciate this new world. I still prefer real contacts, but it seems like I want something that is against the trend of our times. Skype conversations are almost as good as conversations in a shared physical space. An emoticon works almost as well as a real-world smile.

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Old 06-11-2015, 01:31 PM   #12
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Actually, in this present reality, marriage is kind of old school. It's about relations between physical people sharing physical space. Ever thought of what's happening right now? Life is all about relations in virtual reality. We have friends in the cyber world, exchange sms with each other. Here, we have an excellent virtual Bahá'í community. Maybe we should concentrate more on adapting to the cyber world, like applying our values to web relations?

Not that I appreciate this new world. I still prefer real contacts, but it seems like I want something that is against the trend of our times.

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The bounty of God descends upon those who wish then strive as Baha'u'llah has commanded.

To have just a speck of dust of the universe of anguish that the Bab, Baha'u'llah and Abdul'baha had in witnessing our process from Self is but a sign of the Bounty available!

It is up to us to turn that sign to action, our longing to reality!

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To have just a speck of dust of the universe of anguish that the Bab, Baha'u'llah and Abdul'baha had in witnessing our process from Self is but a sign of the Bounty available!
Oh, dear Fish, you almost frighten me. But I believe that you are the Real Thing, that you're absolutely sincere.

Suffering and anguish are so easy to find. Just walk out of the door and try to find some really disturbed persons, paranoid, psycopathic or similar. Then get involved with them. Enjoy being smeared beyond any limits you could have imagined. Relish in being demonstrated as the perpetrator all over town. Bure bliss!



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Oh, dear Fish, you almost frighten me. But I believe that you are the Real Thing, that you're absolutely sincere.

Suffering and anguish are so easy to find. Just walk out of the door and try to find some really disturbed persons, paranoid, psycopathic or similar. Then get involved with them. Enjoy being smeared beyond any limits you could have imagined. Relish in being demonstrated as the perpetrator all over town. Bure bliss!



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Dear Gnat, Reading the Dawn Breakers and those stories give way to this thought....

That we are extremely lucky that Baha'u'llah has done this for us;

The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold that the whole world may attain unto true liberty. He hath drained to its dregs the cup of sorrow, that all the peoples of the earth may attain unto abiding joy, and be filled with gladness. This is of the mercy of your Lord, the Compassionate, the Most Merciful. We have accepted to be abased, O believers in the Unity of God, that ye may be exalted, and have suffered manifold afflictions, that ye might prosper and flourish. He Who hath come to build anew the whole world, behold, how they that have joined partners with God have forced Him to dwell within the most desolate of cities.

Yes dear friend, there is still a world of pain out there and we are given the gift to show people how to share the Unconstrained. I wonder if we understand that calling? I know I struggle greatly with it.

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Oh, dear Fish, you almost frighten me. But I believe that you are the Real Thing, that you're absolutely sincere.

Suffering and anguish are so easy to find. Just walk out of the door and try to find some really disturbed persons, paranoid, psycopathic or similar. Then get involved with them. Enjoy being smeared beyond any limits you could have imagined. Relish in being demonstrated as the perpetrator all over town. Bure bliss!



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"Blessed are you when men speak all kinds of evil calumny against you" Lord Jesus
 
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"...we are capable of being the saints we are all called to be."

A good read from an enlightened individual. Acknowledging the greatness of the station of mankind is a great gift from God, and aspiring to live such a life is yet another.
 
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now that we are talking about marriage can anyone give me some information about Bab's wife? I , accidentally, saw something yesterday in a website which was saying that Bab's wife had been a very corrupt woman. is it true?!!!
 
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now that we are talking about marriage can anyone give me some information about Bab's wife? I , accidentally, saw something yesterday in a website which was saying that Bab's wife had been a very corrupt woman. is it true?!!!
Pay no attention to those naysayers. The Bab's wife was a very beautiful and blessed soul!

The Wife of the Bab Khadijih Bagum
 
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Dearest Maryam, I've discovered that, as with all the world's great faiths, there are some who delight in speaking ill of our beautiful Faith. No one knows what motivates them; jealousy, fear, ignorance? Who knows? I don't bother reading such stuff any more as it hurts me when someone attacks our gentle Faith.
 
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Pay no attention to those naysayers. The Bab's wife was a very beautiful and blessed soul!

The Wife of the Bab Khadijih Bagum


Read Josh's thread....How the wife of the Bab became aware of His station.

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I can only urge you not to read websites that attack the Baha'i Faith. They only tear down, they do not build up. They are like arsonists.
 
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Dear maryamr - Wise words above

Here is another couple of short links

Khadijih Begum | Bahai Chronicles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khad%C3%ADjih-Bagum

God Bless and regards Tony
 
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Dear Maryamr,

You obviously have found your way to the wrong sites. We have been warned against reading such slanderous texts, as they poison our minds.

None of us is immune to such poison.

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We have been warned against reading such slanderous texts, as they poison our minds.
Those that are spreading the slander don't realize that it will all backfire on them:

"... my purpose is to warn and strengthen you against accusations, criticisms, revilings and derision in newspaper articles or other publications. Be not disturbed by them. They are the very confirmation of the Cause, the very source of upbuilding to the Movement. May God confirm the day when a score of ministers of the churches may arise and with bared heads cry at the top of their voices that the Bahá’ís are misguided. I would like to see that day, for that is the time when the Cause of God will spread. Bahá’u’lláh has pronounced such as these the couriers of the Cause. They will proclaim from pulpits that the Bahá’ís are fools, that they are a wicked and unrighteous people, but be ye steadfast and unwavering in the Cause of God. They will spread the message of Bahá’u’lláh." -Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp 429-430
 
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thank you all my dear friends thank you josh for the beautiful quote and thank you Tony for the links
in fact I was not searching for anything when i saw this. It "came" to me through someone else and I was interested to know the truth. thank you again for helping me
 
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thank you all my dear friends thank you josh for the beautiful quote and thank you Tony for the links
in fact I was not searching for anything when i saw this. It "came" to me through someone else and I was interested to know the truth. thank you again for helping me
Dear lovely sister, whenever you read anything scandalous about our Faith, think of this little forum community. We are Baha'is from every continent, yet we have all studied and believe in Baha'u'llahs message, despite each of our varied and individual backgrounds. That which is of God, by its very nature of being of God, must prevail. The nay Sayers need our prayers and also our pity, they are so very close to the light yet totally blinded in their eyes by their daggers of scorn and derision
 
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Greetings Maryamr,

There are a number of issues to appreciate here. Most importantly Bahá'ís in the western world still predominantly view both the Báb and Bahá'u'llah as only having one central wife. Both the Báb and Bahá'u'llah had plurality of wives in accordance with Islamic law. In the context of your question therefore it depends on which wife of the Báb you are referring to.

The following information comes from an official Bahá'í website. This may help you to consider the validity of some of the comments offered to you here by some contributors.

http://bahaikipedia.org/Fátimih_Khánum_(wife_of_the_Báb)

As you can see, the Bahá'ís believe one of the wives of the Báb violated the Báb's Covenant. This is a religious view not a personal view and it is important to understand the difference here. Thus any layman term that implied she was "a corrupt woman" would be personal opinion unless historically validated at source or cited directly from religious Writings. Otherwise it would need to be viewed as being unsubstantiated. Naturally I cannot comment on it directly because I do not know the source you are referring to, but it is not necessary to link it here.

Regardless of theological differences, Bábís, and other Bábí religious offshoots, that naturally include both Bahá'ís and Azalis, stand united in the fact that Khadijih Begum, the first wife of the Báb, was a woman of noble character. However only Azalis view Fátimih Khánum, the second wife of the Báb, in a positive light following her marriage to Azal after being widowed. This is because she ultimately became an Azali. Bahá'ís therefore need to exercise care to ensure that their personal judgements in this matter do not unfairly eclipse the history of their own faith as all too often people of religious persuasion fail to understand the historical pursuit of power that so often accompanies their beliefs. It is such things that can overexcite their imaginations.

Neither the Báb nor Bahá'u'lláh encouraged their respective believers to remain ignorant about their personal lives. In this context while some might choose to employ the type of wording that you have cited here, I would generally prefer to afford a sense of dignity to Azal and those that followed him. Without this there can never be historical objectivity. But all parties are perfect free to ascribe to their particular beliefs, even if this can be taken to infer that the other party are heretics. At no point in the Bahá'í Writings has Bahá'u'lláh ever inferred that a Covenant Breaker should not be treated with dignity. In this respect it is perfectly possible to be polite to people deemed as Covenant Breakers without ascribing unfair personal judgements about them. Those that fail to do this will often find they will be subjected to the same type of response in kind.

It should of course be pointed out that some authors who have a personal agenda might seek to misrepresent one wife in order to infer an unfair judgement on another. While such works will be seen for what they are by informed readers, naive and ignorant readers can easily become confused or disillusioned by the twisted misrepresentation that they weave. It is a fundamental fact of life that people can and do misrepresent facts in order to promote their own personal beliefs over the beliefs of others. In this respect great care needs to be taken when people seek to employ personal judgements with half truths. Choosing to refute a half truth is as equally as perilous as accepting one. This is why Bahá'ís are encouraged to employ their own judgement in such matters. It is simply a right of passage and we all learn from our mistakes, as is the nature of the human condition. In this respect all Bahá'ís still have a great deal to learn here.

Any fair examination into the history of 19th century Iran shows us that it was a society where women had very few legal rights and even less if they had no husband. As marriages were arranged at that time one needs to employ a degree of caution before electing to cast stones at people. Just because a person is deemed to be a Covenant Breaker does not mean they chose such a path willingly. Women had no assets at that time and were totally reliant on their family to support them. As Fátimih Khánum was the cousin of Azal, then hopefully you might begin to see the type of challenges she would have faced as a widowed woman.

It is known that Azal had a number of wives that exceeded the number permitted in Islam. Independent research indicates he had between eleven and fourteen wives, but Moojan Momen places this number at seventeen. While Momen has lessons to learn with regards to making personal judgements on people too, his following essay that list the wives of Azal may prove of assistance to you. This may help you to appreciate why some derogatory accusations have been circulated about the Báb's second wife. I hope this may help you place what you have read into better context along with understanding it does not apply to the Báb's first wife.

THE CYPRUS EXILES

Earth

Edit: Please note that the Bahaikipedia, as linked, appears to be editing its comments on Fátimih Khánum at this time. So you may need to wait until a revised version is offered.

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Greetings Maryamr,

There are a number of issues to appreciate here. Most importantly Bahá'ís in the western world still predominantly view both the Báb and Bahá'u'llah as only having one central wife. Both the Báb and Bahá'u'llah had plurality of wives in accordance with Islamic law. In the context of your question therefore it depends on which wife of the Báb you are referring to.

The following information comes from an official Bahá'í website. This may help you to consider the validity of some of the comments offered to you here by some contributors.

http://bahaikipedia.org/Fátimih_Khánum_(wife_of_the_Báb)

As you can see, the Bahá'ís believe one of the wives of the Báb violated the Báb's Covenant. This is a religious view not a personal view and it is important to understand the difference here. Thus any layman term that implied she was "a corrupt woman" would be personal opinion unless historically validated at source or cited directly from religious Writings. Otherwise it would need to be viewed as being unsubstantiated. Naturally I cannot comment on it directly because I do not know the source you are referring to, but it is not necessary to link it here.

Regardless of theological differences, Bábís, and other Bábí religious offshoots, that naturally include both Bahá'ís and Azalis, stand united in the fact that Khadijih Begum, the first wife of the Báb, was a woman of noble character. However only Azalis view Fátimih Khánum, the second wife of the Báb, in a positive light following her marriage to Azal after being widowed. This is because she ultimately became an Azali. Bahá'ís therefore need to exercise care to ensure that their personal judgements in this matter do not unfairly eclipse the history of their own faith as all too often people of religious persuasion fail to understand the historical pursuit of power that so often accompanies their beliefs. It is such things that can overexcite their imaginations.

Neither the Báb nor Bahá'u'lláh encouraged their respective believers to remain ignorant about their personal lives. In this context while some might choose to employ the type of wording that you have cited here, I would generally prefer to afford a sense of dignity to Azal and those that followed him. Without this there can never be historical objectivity. But all parties are perfect free to ascribe to their particular beliefs, even if this can be taken to infer that the other party are heretics. At no point in the Bahá'í Writings has Bahá'u'lláh ever inferred that a Covenant Breaker should not be treated with dignity. In this respect it is perfectly possible to be polite to people deemed as Covenant Breakers without ascribing unfair personal judgements about them. Those that fail to do this will often find they will be subjected to the same type of response in kind.

It should of course be pointed out that some authors who have a personal agenda might seek to misrepresent one wife in order to infer an unfair judgement on another. While such works will be seen for what they are by informed readers, naive and ignorant readers can easily become confused or disillusioned by the twisted misrepresentation that they weave. It is a fundamental fact of life that people can and do misrepresent facts in order to promote their own personal beliefs over the beliefs of others. In this respect great care needs to be taken when people seek to employ personal judgements with half truths. Choosing to refute a half truth is as equally as perilous as accepting one. This is why Bahá'ís are encouraged to employ their own judgement in such matters. It is simply a right of passage and we all learn from our mistakes, as is the nature of the human condition. In this respect all Bahá'ís still have a great deal to learn here.

Any fair examination into the history of 19th century Iran shows us that it was a society where women had very few legal rights and even less if they had no husband. As marriages were arranged at that time one needs to employ a degree of caution before electing to cast stones at people. Just because a person is deemed to be a Covenant Breaker does not mean they chose such a path willingly. Women had no assets at that time and were totally reliant on their family to support them. As Fátimih Khánum was the cousin of Azal, then hopefully you might begin to see the type of challenges she would have faced as a widowed woman.

It is known that Azal had a number of wives that exceeded the number permitted in Islam. Independent research indicates he had between eleven and fourteen wives, but Moojan Momen places this number at seventeen. While Momen has lessons to learn with regards to making personal judgements on people too, his following essay that list the wives of Azal may prove of assistance to you. This may help you to appreciate why some derogatory accusations have been circulated about the Báb's second wife. I hope this may help you place what you have read into better context along with understanding it does not apply to the Báb's first wife.

THE CYPRUS EXILES

Earth

Edit: Please note that the Bahaikipedia, as linked, appears to be editing its comments on Fátimih Khánum at this time. So you may need to wait until a revised version is offered.
hi dear friend, Earth
thank you so much for your very complete explanation. yes, i realized that the link doesn't work so i will wait for it to edit the content yet your explanation are really good and complete. thank you again for explaining to me
 
Old 06-16-2015, 12:00 PM   #29
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Dear lovely sister, whenever you read anything scandalous about our Faith, think of this little forum community. We are Baha'is from every continent, yet we have all studied and believe in Baha'u'llahs message, despite each of our varied and individual backgrounds. That which is of God, by its very nature of being of God, must prevail. The nay Sayers need our prayers and also our pity, they are so very close to the light yet totally blinded in their eyes by their daggers of scorn and derision
you are right dear Aidan and I also think that I, as someone living in a Muslim society face more of such nonsense about our faith in comparison to those who are living outside of a Muslim society. I have the feeling that although many Christians and Jews may disagree with Baha'i faith yet the angriest words are "usually" from Muslims and also the most impolite words!
may God help all those whose spiritual eye is still closed; may God help me as well to always be able to walk the true path. may God help all of us
 
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Greetings Maryamr,

The new link now appears to be working, but I have noticed that the old link still does not offer any written content, despite being titled. Regardless of this hopefully you may now read this material and it may allow you to come to your own conclusions when reading other websites that make specific claims about this wife of the Báb.

http://bahaikipedia.org/Fátimih_Khánum_(wife_of_the_Báb)

Any reader here with a specific interest in this subject matter may find it helpful to obtain a copy of Baharieh Rouhani Maani's book entitled The Leaves of the Twin Divine Trees. Indeed the Wilmette Institute even offers a course on this book in the US. The link to this can be found below.

The Leaves of the Twin Divine Trees - Event Summary | Online Registration by Cvent

Earth

Edit: There really is a major coding issue with this website. For convenience I have typed its contents below.

Fátimih Khánum (1822-1916) was an Isfaháni girl who was the second wife of the Báb. Fátimih was the sister of a prominent Bábí, Mullá Rajab-'Ali. She was married around 1847 aged twenty-five, to serve the Báb during His sojourn to Isfaháni. In Persia, it was regarded as dishonourable for a woman to serve a man unless she was not related to him. The couple had no children, and after the Báb left Isfaháni she did not accompany Him. After His martyrdom, despite the fact that the Báb asked His wives not to remarry, Fátimih Khánum married Azal for one month, until he divorced her and gave her to Siyyid Muhammad Isfaháni. Fátimih agreed to these marriages, and is therefore a Covenant Breaker.

Last modified on 21 October 2008.

Last edited by Earth; 06-17-2015 at 02:25 PM.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 05:22 AM   #31
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After His martyrdom, despite the fact that the Báb asked His wives not to remarry, Fátimih Khánum married Azal for one month, until he divorced her and gave her to Siyyid Muhammad Isfaháni. Fátimih agreed to these marriages, and is therefore a Covenant Breaker. .
Well, as far as I understand, the main issue here is Azal's behaviour: marrying her and then divorcing her after a month, just to give her to his accomplice.

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