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Old 08-14-2015, 06:18 AM   #1
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Helping the Beggars

I have read somewhere in Baha'i writings that the practice of giving money to the beggars at streets should be stopped because this just makes people lazy. (I can't remember the exact place of the text). and then again somewhere else in Baha'i writings I read that we should not reject a person who has asked something from us- that is to say if someone asks us for something and we are able to do it, then we must.
now this question may look shallow but it is something I face almost everything at streets. we have many beggars here and almost all of them are women who have the ability to at least sell vegetables but they just beg for money (and men the same). now what should we do? is it our duty to not reject them if they ask us for money or we should not give money to beggars?
 
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:14 AM   #2
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I have read somewhere in Baha'i writings that the practice of giving money to the beggars at streets should be stopped because this just makes people lazy. (I can't remember the exact place of the text). and then again somewhere else in Baha'i writings I read that we should not reject a person who has asked something from us- that is to say if someone asks us for something and we are able to do it, then we must.
now this question may look shallow but it is something I face almost everything at streets. we have many beggars here and almost all of them are women who have the ability to at least sell vegetables but they just beg for money (and men the same). now what should we do? is it our duty to not reject them if they ask us for money or we should not give money to beggars?
Dear Sister
I also have struggled with this problem living in a country with many beggars, I have come to the conclusion that we are not to give to those who just put their hand out. Many poor here have a talent particularly musical, have seen these musicians even constructing pan flutes from plastic pipes playing most lovely music on buses or in the streets, as well as other instruments, people in wheelchairs selling sweets or thimbles, needles etc, to these people I buy abundantly to give as gifts to other people. I feel we are to encourage effort not laziness, just my thought.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:07 AM   #3
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Dear Sister
I also have struggled with this problem living in a country with many beggars, I have come to the conclusion that we are not to give to those who just put their hand out. Many poor here have a talent particularly musical, have seen these musicians even constructing pan flutes from plastic pipes playing most lovely music on buses or in the streets, as well as other instruments, people in wheelchairs selling sweets or thimbles, needles etc, to these people I buy abundantly to give as gifts to other people. I feel we are to encourage effort not laziness, just my thought.
Loving regards to you
bill
I agree with Bill. The last time I crossed into Tijuana, Mexico I observed many very poor people, among them young children. Some were simply begging, doing so daily, with no effort exerted.

Others were selling trinkets, or making music, etc. It is these whose behavior needs to be reinforced, for what we reward will be perpetuated.

Giving to young children who beg will result in a lifetime of begging,
while rewarding effort will result in further effort and the means to earn a living.

In the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Baha'u'llah writes:

"It is unlawful to beg, and it is forbidden to give to him who beggeth. All have been enjoined to earn a living, and as for those who are incapable of doing so, it is incumbent on the Deputies of God and on the wealthy to make adequate provision for them. Keep ye the statutes and commandments of God; nay, guard them as ye would your very eyes, and be not of those who suffer grievous loss."

. The New World Order of Baha'u'llah will come about through obedience to the Laws of God and the exhortations of the Supreme Pen of Baha'u'llah. His wisdom exceeds our wisdom. "He doeth what He willeth."
 
Old 08-14-2015, 10:14 AM   #4
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thank you Bill and thank you Dale... yes Bill, I too see beggars every day and it is funny to know that some of them even have their own "dominion"; everyday they go to their place and with no efforts earn money.
it is interesting that Baha'ullah has strongly used the word "forbidden" in relation to giving money to beggars. in Iran people say that we must give money to beggars even if only a very small amount so it gives me a bit of ache when I see a beggar and I don't help. but then again if it is Baha'ullah's law, who am I to argue with
thank you for your helps
 
Old 08-14-2015, 10:26 AM   #5
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thank you Bill and thank you Dale... yes Bill, I too see beggars every day and it is funny to know that some of them even have their own "dominion"; everyday they go to their place and with no efforts earn money.
it is interesting that Baha'ullah has strongly used the word "forbidden" in relation to giving money to beggars. in Iran people say that we must give money to beggars even if only a very small amount so it gives me a bit of ache when I see a beggar and I don't help. but then again if it is Baha'ullah's law, who am I to argue with
thank you for your helps

Here is a further link, much more complete.
Also, a brief encounter several years ago.
. After a very high rise in the cost of gasoline, it became especially irritating to have beggars approach me at gas stations when having to fill up at these ever- higher prices.
. On particularly cold night around Christmas, a very haggard looking fellow approached me, and I was purposely rather impolite - kind of snarled at him, saying: "I don't have any money!!"
. To which he replied: "Oh... No man. I have some money. I just need a ride up the street to my storage."
. So I said 'Ok, let me finish getting my gas." Then I let him in. He was eating a very big hamburger at that point and started talking. He said: "I got $30 this hour and $45 the hour before." (Thats how good his beggin skills were!!)
. Then, between bites of the burger, he snorted a line of cocaine!! I took him to one storage site, and then another when he persisted. He gave me two or three dollars for my assistance...

Begging - Bahai9
 
Old 08-14-2015, 11:51 AM   #6
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Big smile Dale, I had an encounter here in Chile with a mother and daughter duo who begged at a local petrol station regularly, one day as I was walking away the daughter approached me for money, I told her no she should give me money, she was shocked to silence, I informed her I knew were she lived, and they had a nice car, I could not afford a car, would she give me some money to save for one. Don't know why, she quickly disappeared.

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