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Old 11-26-2015, 02:09 PM   #1
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The human Qiblih


In the Baha'i religion, the body of Baha'u'llah is the direction if prayers.

What does it mean ?

1_Does that mean that he is an object of worship ? (Which is strange considering that he asked for pictures of him not to be diffused.)

2_Or does that mean that Baha'u'llah is an Imam leading the prayer of the believers ?

Holy Book 1.12 :

It hath been ordained that obligatory prayer is to be performed by each of you individually. Save in the Prayer for the Dead, the practice of congregational prayer hath been annulled. He, of a truth, is the Ordainer, the All-Wise.
There is no leader in the prayer. Which means that every Baha'i pray behind Baha'u'llah as if it was Baha'u'llah himself leading the prayer.

Which is true ? How do you support your view ?
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:28 PM   #2
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His body is the tabernacle, where once the spirit of God was. We do not worship it, however, we merely turn in the direction for the obligatory prayers as symbol of turning toward the spiritual horizon. After all, it is not possible to pray without facing somewhere, so why not face in the direction where the once living temple of God rests?
Old 11-26-2015, 02:33 PM   #3
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After all, it is not possible to pray without facing somewhere, so why not face in the direction where the once living temple of God rests?
Muhammad said that the salat is what binds him to the muslims. I feel like the Baha'i salat goes further than the muslim salat to that extent, in this way to create a bound between a believer and God through an eternal prophet.
Old 11-26-2015, 04:26 PM   #4
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Whatever we imagine about God, is only a product of our imagination. The human mind cannot percieve God. So, where is God? He is everywhere, and everywhere is nowhere.
This is why, we offer our prayer to Baha'u'llah as a Manifestation of God, and symbolically face His shrine. His shrine is holy, only because God made it holy. Like the Kabbeh which is holy place because God had made it holy, not because of its own merit. Otherwise how could a place made of stones and black cloth be any holy on its own merit?

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Old 11-26-2015, 04:26 PM   #5
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When ye desire to perform this prayer, turn ye towards the Court of My Most Holy Presence, this Hallowed Spot that God hath . . . decreed to be the Point of Adoration for the denizens of the Cities of Eternity.

The "Point of Adoration", that is, the point to which the worshipper should turn when offering obligatory prayer, is called the Qiblih. The concept of Qiblih has existed in previous religions. Jerusalem in the past had been fixed for this purpose. Muhammad changed the Qiblih to Mecca. The Báb's instructions in the Arabic Bayán were:

The Qiblih is indeed He Whom God will make manifest; whenever He moveth, it moveth, until He shall come to rest.

This passage is quoted by Bahá'u'lláh in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas (137) and confirmed by Him in the above-noted verse. He has also indicated that facing in the direction of the Qiblih is a "fixed requirement for the recitation of obligatory prayer". However, for other prayers and devotions the individual may face in any direction.

Turning to the Qiblih is mandatory while reciting the Obligatory Prayers.

and when the Sun of Truth and Utterance shall set, turn your faces towards the Spot that We have ordained for you.

Bahá'u'lláh ordains His resting-place as the Qiblih after His passing. The Most Holy Tomb is at Bahjí, 'Akká. 'Abdu'l-Bahá describes that Spot as the "luminous Shrine", "the place around which circumambulate the Concourse on High".

In a letter written on his behalf, Shoghi Effendi uses the analogy of the plant turning in the direction of the sun to explain the spiritual significance of turning towards the Qiblih:

. . . just as the plant stretches out to the sunlight -- from which it receives life and growth -- so we turn our hearts to the Manifestation of God, Bahá'u'lláh, when we pray; . . . we turn our faces . . . to where His dust lies on this earth as a symbol of the inner act. -Kitab-i-Aqdas, notes 7 & 8
Old 11-26-2015, 05:51 PM   #6
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The center of nine concentric circles

It has always been a interest when you consider this as well "THE CENTER OF NINE CONCENTRIC CIRCLES"

For, just as in the realm of the spirit, the reality of the Báb has been hailed by the Author of the Bahá’í Revelation as “The Point round Whom the realities of the Prophets and Messengers revolve,” so, on this visible plane, His sacred remains constitute the heart and center of what may be regarded as nine concentric circles, paralleling thereby, and adding further emphasis to the central position accorded by the Founder of our Faith to One “from Whom God hath caused to proceed the knowledge of all that was and shall be,” “the Primal Point from which have been generated all created things.”
The outermost circle in this vast system, the visible counterpart of the pivotal position conferred on the Herald of our Faith, is none other than the entire planet. Within the heart of this planet lies the “Most Holy Land,” acclaimed by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá as “the Nest of the Prophets” and which must be regarded as the center of the world and the Qiblih of the nations. Within this Most Holy Land rises the Mountain of God of immemorial sanctity, the Vineyard of the Lord, the Retreat of Elijah, Whose return the Báb Himself symbolizes. Reposing on the breast of this holy mountain are the extensive properties permanently dedicated to, and constituting the sacred precincts of, the Báb’s holy Sepulcher. In the midst of these properties, recognized as the international endowments 96 of the Faith, is situated the most holy court, an enclosure comprising gardens and terraces which at once embellish, and lend a peculiar charm to, these sacred precincts. Embosomed in these lovely and verdant surroundings stands in all its exquisite beauty the mausoleum of the Báb, the shell designed to preserve and adorn the original structure raised by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá as the tomb of the Martyr-Herald of our Faith. Within this shell is enshrined that Pearl of Great Price, the holy of holies, those chambers which constitute the tomb itself, and which were constructed by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. Within the heart of this holy of holies is the tabernacle, the vault wherein reposes the most holy casket. Within this vault rests the alabaster sarcophagus in which is deposited that inestimable jewel, the Báb’s holy dust. So precious is this dust that the very earth surrounding the edifice enshrining this dust has been extolled by the Center of Bahá’u’lláh’s Covenant, in one of His Tablets in which He named the five doors belonging to the six chambers which He originally erected after five of the believers associated with the construction of the Shrine, as being endowed with such potency as to have inspired Him in bestowing these names, whilst the tomb itself housing this dust He acclaimed as the spot round which the Concourse on high circle in adoration.
To participate in the erection of the superstructure of an edifice at once so precious, so holy; consecrated to the memory of so heroic a Soul; whose site no one less than the Founder of our Faith has selected; whose inner chambers were erected by the Center of His Covenant with such infinite care and anguish; embosomed in so sacred a mountain, on the soil of so holy a land; occupying such a unique position; facing on the one hand the silver-white city of ‘Akká, the Qiblih of the Bahá’í world; flanked on its right by the hills of Galilee, the home of Jesus Christ, and on its left, by the Cave of Elijah; and backed by the plain of Sharon and, beyond it, Jerusalem and the Aqsá mosque, the third holiest shrine in Islám—to participate in the erection of such an edifice is a privilege offered to this generation at once unique and priceless, a privilege which only posterity will be able to correctly appraise.

A bit like this maybe

Regards Tony

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