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Old 01-27-2018, 11:16 PM   #1
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Was Judas Iscariot Crucified Instead of Jesus?

Muslims believe that Judas Iscariot was crucified instead of Jesus Christ. What do Baha'is believe on this topic?
 
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Old 01-28-2018, 01:23 AM   #2
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The Quran says 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

The Muslims from this verse have interpreted this as Jesus did not die on the cross but he was replaced however abdul baha has said that the real meaning of this verse is that Christ did die on the cross and the meaning of 'they did not kill him' means his message was not put to death it lived it grew it was not put to death as they wished it to.

Muslims interpret the Quran as they see fit with their views however only those with knowledge should be listened to as Allah says in the Quran 3:7

It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

The messengers use 'life' 'death' symbolically all the time Jesus says in the bible 'he that sins dies, but he that follows me shall have everlasting life' we know that sinners don't die so what does he mean?
 
Old 01-28-2018, 02:49 AM   #3
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according to Baha'i teachings teachings the real Jesus Christ was crucified.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 09:41 AM   #4
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Muslims believe that Judas Iscariot was crucified instead of Jesus Christ. What do Baha'is believe on this topic?
As Yousefy points out, this comes from the Quran:
"That they said, 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God';- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not"

So Jesus was not killed though it was made to appear like he was killed. This has lead to all sorts of theories, like how someone else was killed in Jesus' place, or the Ahmadiyya view that Jesus survived crucifixion.

I have a simpler answer to propose:

Quran 2:154: "And do not say of those who are killed in the way of God that they are dead; they are alive even though you have no knowledge of their life."

The Quran says anyone who is martyred is still alive, though we don't perceive their continued life. So I'd say obviously the Quran would say to reject the idea that Jesus was killed, because Jesus, as a martyr on the cross, is still alive. As he was a martyr, according to 2:154, he still lives eternally, and his killers thus failed to kill him.

The Baha'i belief is that Jesus was the one who was crucified, and based on the above I'd say the Quran has the same understanding.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 10:14 AM   #5
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Thanks for all of your responses guys. I thought this was an interesting topic to discuss. I enjoyed reading all of your answers. I like the answer to my question that: Jesus' message did not die. That is a pretty good interpretation. The Jews were trying to wipe out Jesus and his followers but his message survived after his death. Very good answer to my question. I was told that Jesus Christ died a martyr just like the bab did. The bab prepared the way for Bahaullah. Just like John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus Christ. Islam has many interpretations of the Koran.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 05:09 AM   #6
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according to Baha'i teachings teachings the real Jesus Christ was crucified.
I find that interesting as the Spirit of GOD cannot die, but the Holy Temple of GOD which holds the Spirit, can be destroyed and raised back up.

The Holy Temple (Jesus) was destroyed, and then GOD raised It back up. That in no way means the Christ/ Spirit of GOD ever died.

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