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Old 03-28-2012, 06:39 PM   #1
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"Every fixed star has it's own planets.."

I've always been fascinated by this subject..maybe because I have a scifi interest from long ago along with my uncle who had a garage full of Amazing Stories pulp magazines...

"Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute."

~ Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 162


An interesting article that suggests "creatures" on other planets:


Billions Habitable Planets in Milky Way | Search for Life on Alien Planets | Space.com
 
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:06 PM   #2
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I saw this on 60 minutes. In terms of how caves come it is pretty much a wonder of the world. It was found near a mine in mexico and they had to drain it to reveal this spectacular cave.
This is relevent because when they did more studies they found there is actually minute bacteria living on some of the cystals which is a startling revelation as it shows things can live in inhospitible conditions somewhat like how it would be on other planets.
CHeck this.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...an-ice-palace/


"Alien Underworlds

As mind-boggling as the idea of a possibly globe-spanning, underground bacterial network may be, some scientists see potential links between the Cave of Crystals and even farther-flung hot spots—for example, extreme environments on Mars and other worlds.

Though Martian geology might be more static overall than Earth's, "there may be residual pockets of geothermal activity that could provide a zone where water could be liquid and where chemically reduced gases from below can percolate up and act as a nutrient source," as in the Cave of Crystals, Boston said.

(See "Mars Has Cave Networks, New Photos Suggest.")

Poirier, the Ontario astrophysicist, agreed.

"For Mars, our best bet of finding life is to look underground," Poirier said. "So there are a lot of parallels between humans exploring subterranean caves looking for microbes and Martian exploration in the future."

If the caves on Mars are anything like the caverns beneath Naica mountain, she said, future Martian explorers will have to be trained to ignore the strange sights surrounding them.

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Old 03-28-2012, 11:41 PM   #3
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I've always been fascinated by this subject..maybe because I have a scifi interest from long ago along with my uncle who had a garage full of Amazing Stories pulp magazines...

"Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute."

~ Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 162


An interesting article that suggests "creatures" on other planets:


Billions Habitable Planets in Milky Way | Search for Life on Alien Planets | Space.com
key word "fixed"
 
Old 03-29-2012, 01:16 AM   #4
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I've always been fascinated by this subject..maybe because I have a scifi interest from long ago along with my uncle who had a garage full of Amazing Stories pulp magazines...

"Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute."

~ Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 162


An interesting article that suggests "creatures" on other planets:


Billions Habitable Planets in Milky Way | Search for Life on Alien Planets | Space.com
Yes I too like this subject lots - I believe that one day in our existence as humans we will have to become unified with creatures not of this earth

Maybe a Prophet mission of the distant future

Cheers Tony
 
Old 03-29-2012, 05:34 AM   #5
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Except drop the word "own," which isn't in the text (in either place).

Peace, :-)

Bruce
 
Old 04-09-2012, 08:31 PM   #6
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An interesting article that suggests "creatures" on other planets:


Billions Habitable Planets in Milky Way | Search for Life on Alien Planets | Space.com
Looks like a double-edged sword to me. The writer in the link also concludes:

"Since these stars are cooler than the sun, their habitable zones are much closer in than ours. That puts any planets there at risk of being hit with stellar eruptions or flares, which are common on red dwarfs. Such flares could release X-rays or ultraviolet radiation that could harm or inhibit the development of life, scientists say."

But there is hope! A star much like our Sun may have more planets than we do.

A nearby star may have more planets than we do! | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

 
Old 04-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #7
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I'm now thinking about the moons orbiting those Saturn-sized planets . . .

I'm assuming some of those planets have moons.

Could they feature life? Avatar's Pandora!

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Old 04-09-2012, 08:44 PM   #8
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Has anyone ever thought that the intended meaning might be something other than the apparent physical meaning of the words!? ...
 
Old 04-09-2012, 08:54 PM   #9
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Has anyone ever thought that the intended meaning might be something other than the apparent physical meaning of the words!? ...
"As to the existence of spirit in the mineral: it is indubitable that minerals are endowed with a spirit and life according to the requirements of that stage. This unknown secret, too, hath become known unto the materialists who now maintain that all beings are endowed with life, even as He saith in the Qur’án, 'All things are living.'"
-Abdu'l-Baha
 
Old 04-09-2012, 10:36 PM   #10
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Arthra, I enjoyed reading about that. Thank you!
 
Old 04-09-2012, 11:00 PM   #11
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Has anyone ever thought that the intended meaning might be something other than the apparent physical meaning of the words!? ...
I personally think that it is literal. It is just that those 'creatures' are small bacterium often-times perhaps underground as per the cave example that I gave in the youtube clip. If that is the case solar-flares wont matter to those bacterium at all. They will be in their own little ecosystem under the planets crust.
 
Old 04-09-2012, 11:15 PM   #12
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I personally think that it is literal. It is just that those 'creatures' are small bacterium often-times perhaps underground as per the cave example that I gave in the youtube clip. If that is the case solar-flares wont matter to those bacterium at all. They will be in their own little ecosystem under the planets crust.
That's some good logical thinking LOG. That is more or less how I interpreted that passage some time ago. Now however I'm not so sure! It's always good to think deeply and ponder and consider all possibilities.
 
Old 04-09-2012, 11:42 PM   #13
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Has anyone ever thought that the intended meaning might be something other than the apparent physical meaning of the words!? ...
I never thought that "creatures" had to be what we call "living" creatures. In dictionaries, and in common usage, a "creature" can be inanimate. Without knowing the Arabic word, and how God uses it, I don't see how we can be sure it means living creatures.

In some cases at least, in English translations, "creatures" does not always mean living creatures.

On the other hand, I just searched in Gleanings, and in all but three of a few dozen cases, "creatures" refers to those with the capacity to know and love God.

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Old 04-10-2012, 06:52 AM   #14
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In dictionaries, and in common usage, a "creature" can be inanimate.
Inanimate. If inanimate matter could evolve, would you consider it to be alive?

"Matter that can evolve is alive."
-Lee Cronin

Lee Cronin: Making matter come alive | Video on TED.com
 
Old 04-10-2012, 07:34 AM   #15
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Inanimate. If inanimate matter could evolve, would you consider it to be alive?

"Matter that can evolve is alive."
-Lee Cronin

Lee Cronin: Making matter come alive | Video on TED.com
It's just a matter of how much you want to stretch the word "alive." I think our sense of things being alive comes from seeing them die. The dramatic disappearance of activity when something dies, creates the impression of an animating force that has gone out of it, and we call that "life."

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:48 PM   #16
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Since this is an alien-related post, I want to share an interesting idea I read from Psychologytoday.com on using the Sun as a lens:

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And the problem with sending messages with a big radio dish is that over the light-years, any signal we send is going to be so corrupted by noise that it will be unintelligible after just a few dozen light-years. That's why, in their "Cosmic Call" message, the astronomers Stephane Dutil and Yvan Dumas went to great lengths to create symbols that would resist noise degradation (see my blog entry about Cosmic Call here.) But even there, noise will overwhelm the signal a few tens of light-years out.

Maccone's come up with a doozy of a solution: use the Sun as a lens. He calls this idea FOCAL.

Think about how we do visual astronomy with telescopes. Our eyes can’t see Jupiter’s moons. So we use lenses that are much larger than our eyes. A lens gathers a large amount of light and focuses it into an image. It also works with radio waves. Light and radio are both forms of electromagnetic energy that are bent by the curvature of space.

It so happens that we have a really, really big lens at hand: the Sun. As Einstein figured out in 1915, the sun’s gravity will bend any electromagnetic wave that passes near its surface. The sun bends radio waves so that they meet at a focal point about 550 astronomical units away.

If we put a small antenna at that focal point, it will hear an enormously amplified signal from any radio source on the other side. Extremely faint signals will be heard loud and clear. (The illustration is on slide 4 of this powerpoint.)

It’s a really neat idea. If we wanted to examine a dozen target stars, or even a dozen whole galaxies, we could do it by sending a dozen small radio antennas to the focal point of the Sun’s gravitational lens on the opposite side. If we simply want to find out that there are other civilizations out there, we could aim them at entire galaxies and see if anything comes in.
A better way to listen for messages from the stars | Psychology Today

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