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Old 10-09-2016, 08:33 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Worldwide Peace and Unity

Here as I am still reading the W.T. Pole book, I read parts which are just in line with the Bahai teachings and goal of Union and Peace on earth. We are told to for example not take sides in political matters because it causes war and may finally end in battle and slaughter; war cannot bring union and peace:

O ye children of men! The fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race, and to foster the spirit of love and fellowship amongst men…Whatsoever is raised on this foundation, the changes and chances of the world can never impair its strength, nor will the revolution of countless centuries undermine its structure.
— Bahá’u’lláh


now in the book Mr. Pole has given a very interesting reason for why there should, MUST, be peace and unity on earth. He had the power to hear strange voices talking to him sometimes, involuntarily. once in a battle field he hears an uproar of many voices. the voices had been at first very vague, but from all languages and little by little they became clear. those voices had been the voices of people who had been killed in different battlefields, or simply killed at streets or their houses during different time periods in different countries. the souls then, one by one, start to talk to Mr. Pole.

they say that they cannot reach peace, nor can they progress high above as long as there is war and discomfort and enmity on earth. they say that they are present in every condition, they try to talk to people or to show them signs, to help them stop wars so that both living human beings and the dead ones can finally reach the eternal peace.

We dare not rest while wars continue. There can be no blissful heaven for any one of us while the anguish of the battlefields remains. We tell you this. We work that wars shall end for ever. There are millions of us now. We work in bands, in councils, in communities. We are behind the people’s cry for peace in every land. We strive in Russia that the people’s voice be heard. In every conflict we are there to urge our cause. Think you we have no power? Our power grows and in time will become greater than any power the war lords of the world can raise against us.


Our message is to all. Hearken before it be too late. We would avert a chaos beyond words menacing. Listen to our words! A people’s peace, a soldiers’ peace, a peace such as a child would make—that is the peace that must be made

There must needs be renunciation, sacrifice, penitence from all. We see signs, we see blessed signs upon the dim, the very dim, horizon. Meanwhile we cannot rest and would not. Tell the common people of the world, the simple souls, those who suffer silently in trenches or elsewhere, the quiet and steadfast men and women who watch and wait and pray. Tell them that we are with them. We dare not watch, we work. We dare not wait, we act. We cannot pray. We yearn for the day when we can kneel before our God once more and tell Him that the great purpose to which we have bent our very selves has been won—achieved, accomplished. You who fight in war! Soon you will hear the voices of us who fight for peace: who fight across the veil; who fight the long night through.

and then those spirits suggest something that I guess we should all take seriously:

Peace comes to those who are at peace within. Such inner peace is worth a thousand victories on the outer battlefields of life. Be quiet! Listen for that inner voice! The still, small voice—obey it! Never act without its mandate first. Purify the sanctuary within your soul, that the Christ may walk therein. Bar not the gates. The Christ awaits without.

well, the spirits talk of the Christ but in fact the Essence of all the Messengers of God is One. so there we can say"Baha'ullah must speak within us."

The subject of Unity and Peace never looked as interesting as now to me. well, I knew there must finally come peace and unity but it was not THAT "deadly important" to me. but as I read these parts now, how the killed and martyrs spirits are cooperating with this mortal world of ours to settle peace, and how they cannot reach their peace until there are wars on earth inspires me a lot. we MUST try to bring peace into this world, WE MUST. and to do so, each person must start from his/her own self.....

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Old 10-09-2016, 09:29 AM   #2
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Worldwide peace and unity are the most brilliant idea I have been heard never before, only Baha'i faith get a that wonderful idea, I love it
 
Old 10-09-2016, 12:41 PM   #3
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Christ means "Annointed One". Thus the Messengers.

The next goal Humanity must aim for is Unity. As Baha'u'llah has said; Mankinds Peace and Security are Unatainable, unless and until its Unity is Firmly Established.

Abdul'baha aim was to teach us what True Unity is.

The Institute process is to foster this unity in our communities.

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-10-2016, 01:33 AM   #4
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Greetings Maryamr,

Wellesley Tudor Pole was an interesting character. You can obtain a general insight about him on the Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellesley_Tudor_Pole and on a website dedicated to him Wellesley Tudor Pole - Home

Like some early western believers, Pole had an interest in Spiritualism and this remained with him for life. So his primary spiritual desire was to seek to obtain guidance from those that have departed from the world. This became a stronger calling for him once 'Abdu'l-Bahá passed away as he had difficulties accepting the way the Guardian was developing the Bahá'í Faith. He was not alone here. It is difficult for Bahá'ís today to really grasp the historical spiritual isolationism that started to transpire within the Bahá'í Faith after the passing of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Pole was not the only Bahá'í to be disappointed with the lack of a spiritual approach employed by the Guardian. Indeed, as the Guardian passed away in 1957, this may help you to understand why Pole waited to publish The Chosen Highway in 1960. A time when the Hands of the Cause were governing the Bahá'í Community before the first election of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. Rather like Copernicus, Pole had an impeccable understanding of timing.

As Pole was from the generation of believers that really understood the importance of spiritual values it is not too difficult to understand that the Bahá'í Community is trying to encourage the believers to revert to the spiritual attitudes of this earlier period. In reality it is a lost hope because spirituality cannot be institutionalised. This was the important lesson Pole was seeking to convey to his readers. Namely the act of being a Bahá'í has nothing to do with what a person professes to be, but rather how they live their lives. Names, terms and religious beliefs are irrelevant. It is the substance of the soul that drives the values he is introducing to you here. It is rather like reading from material produced during the time of 'Abdu'l-Bahá once again. This may be why you are finding its contents "magical".

It is of course worth noting that Pole's venture to support projects in Glastonbury also led to the revival of the Medieval tradition there. It was this attitude that led to the Glastonbury Fair and it was from this the Glastonbury Festival, one of the world premiere musical festivals, came into being. Whenever I watch coverage from Glastonbury I can never stop to think about the valuable contributions offered by Wellesley Tudor Pole.

As you are enjoying his book so much, might I recommend that you read a few more earlier works from believers that were alive during the period of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. You are likely to enjoy reading these too. By getting to know their names and personalities you can call on them to assist you in this world. Indeed you can call on any believer that has passed away to assist you in this life. Indeed you can call on the entire Concourse on High to assist you! Such spiritual power is within your grasp and with it you can channel their love through you. Some of the early Bahá'ís understood this process well and by reading their works their raw and unrefined spirituality can be felt.

Here is wishing you every happiness,

Earth
 
Old 10-10-2016, 09:16 AM   #5
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Greetings Maryamr,

Wellesley Tudor Pole was an interesting character. You can obtain a general insight about him on the Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellesley_Tudor_Pole and on a website dedicated to him Wellesley Tudor Pole - Home

Like some early western believers, Pole had an interest in Spiritualism and this remained with him for life. So his primary spiritual desire was to seek to obtain guidance from those that have departed from the world. This became a stronger calling for him once 'Abdu'l-Bahá passed away as he had difficulties accepting the way the Guardian was developing the Bahá'í Faith. He was not alone here. It is difficult for Bahá'ís today to really grasp the historical spiritual isolationism that started to transpire within the Bahá'í Faith after the passing of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Pole was not the only Bahá'í to be disappointed with the lack of a spiritual approach employed by the Guardian. Indeed, as the Guardian passed away in 1957, this may help you to understand why Pole waited to publish The Chosen Highway in 1960. A time when the Hands of the Cause were governing the Bahá'í Community before the first election of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. Rather like Copernicus, Pole had an impeccable understanding of timing.

As Pole was from the generation of believers that really understood the importance of spiritual values it is not too difficult to understand that the Bahá'í Community is trying to encourage the believers to revert to the spiritual attitudes of this earlier period. In reality it is a lost hope because spirituality cannot be institutionalised. This was the important lesson Pole was seeking to convey to his readers. Namely the act of being a Bahá'í has nothing to do with what a person professes to be, but rather how they live their lives. Names, terms and religious beliefs are irrelevant. It is the substance of the soul that drives the values he is introducing to you here. It is rather like reading from material produced during the time of 'Abdu'l-Bahá once again. This may be why you are finding its contents "magical".

It is of course worth noting that Pole's venture to support projects in Glastonbury also led to the revival of the Medieval tradition there. It was this attitude that led to the Glastonbury Fair and it was from this the Glastonbury Festival, one of the world premiere musical festivals, came into being. Whenever I watch coverage from Glastonbury I can never stop to think about the valuable contributions offered by Wellesley Tudor Pole.

As you are enjoying his book so much, might I recommend that you read a few more earlier works from believers that were alive during the period of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. You are likely to enjoy reading these too. By getting to know their names and personalities you can call on them to assist you in this world. Indeed you can call on any believer that has passed away to assist you in this life. Indeed you can call on the entire Concourse on High to assist you! Such spiritual power is within your grasp and with it you can channel their love through you. Some of the early Bahá'ís understood this process well and by reading their works their raw and unrefined spirituality can be felt.

Here is wishing you every happiness,

Earth
Thank you soooo much Earth
I really enjoyed reading your comment. and yes, sure I will be very thankful if you give me the name some earlier works to read. I am ALWAYS interested to read more and be inspired more
 
Old 10-10-2016, 09:19 AM   #6
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Christ means "Annointed One". Thus the Messengers.

The next goal Humanity must aim for is Unity. As Baha'u'llah has said; Mankinds Peace and Security are Unatainable, unless and until its Unity is Firmly Established.

Abdul'baha aim was to teach us what True Unity is.

The Institute process is to foster this unity in our communities.

Regards Tony
thank you Tony
in a way the meaning of True Unity is contained within the words "peace, security and love" because I read in a Baha'i writings (I cannot remember if it was by Baha'ullah or Abdul Baha) that the meaning of unity is to love the same God and try to be near to the same and One God. now if all people have the same goal, at the same time there will be peace and kindness as well
 
Old 10-13-2016, 08:56 AM   #7
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Greetings Maryamr,

There are a number of fine works in this area, but I presume that you would want to read them online. Unfortunately this is not always possible because some are now very old and they are not digitally available. A few websites have an interest in collecting and publishing such materials, but as independent ventures, standards can vary. One you might find helpful is Bahá'í Library Online because it lists a number of valid online sources. The website also maintain a forum where you can ask specific questions about where you could obtain digital copies if they are known to be available. The website was original intended to help support scholars, but it attracts people with a general interest in the Bahá'í Faith too. So do not feel intimidated from registering an account there because you might find the users very helpful to you in the area of finding good material to read online.

In the meantime might I encourage you to read an online publication made a few years ago to chart the story of 'Abdu'l-Bahá in America ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Arrives in America This will help you to understand the development of the Bahá'í Faith within the western world. While simply told, it offers a rich insight into the names of some people you will be looking to read about in more detail later on. Just familiarise yourself with some of their names for now because you are likely to find some of their works just as compelling to read as the book you are now reading.

I hope this might help for now.

Earth
 
Old 10-14-2016, 08:58 AM   #8
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sure it is very helpful Earth thanks you SO MUCH
 
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