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Old 11-11-2016, 02:38 PM   #1
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What convinced you?

Hi all,

If you will, please share with me some of the reasons that convinced you Baha'u'llah was a true prophet. I'm enjoying the Writings, but I am having trouble believing there is enough evidence for Baha'u'llah's claims.

Thank you.
 
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Old 11-11-2016, 03:20 PM   #2
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Hi all,

If you will, please share with me some of the reasons that convinced you Baha'u'llah was a true prophet. I'm enjoying the Writings, but I am having trouble believing there is enough evidence for Baha'u'llah's claims.

Thank you.
Evidence? Evidence is just an excuse. What really matters is what your heart told you the first second after you heard about Bahá'úlláh. The rest is just excuses, but excuses that can make you hesitate for years.

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Old 11-11-2016, 05:34 PM   #3
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@Neophyte

I accepted his claims after about 4 years of research.

Several things convinced me.

1_The prophetic claims are true. Baha'u'llah prophecized things that did happen.

I will just be quoting two :

"O banks of the Rhine! We have seen you covered with gore, inasmuch as the swords of retribution were drawn against you; and ye shall have another turn. And we hear the lamentations of Berlin, though she be today in conspicuous glory."[/B]

Aqdas 1:90

World War 1
World War 2
Wall of Berlin/communist period


Strange and astonishing things exist in the earth but they are hidden from the minds and the understanding of men. These things are capable of changing the whole atmosphere of the earth and their contamination would prove lethal. Great God! We have observed an amazing thing. Lightning or a force similar to it is controlled by an operator and moveth at his command. Immeasurably exalted is the Lord of Power Who hath laid bare that which He purposed through the potency of His weighty and invincible command.

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2_The Baha'i revelation is more consistent with today's comprehension than the former Muhammadan revelation.

I have read the Bible and the Quran. And their laws go into a certain direction.
The Semitic people from the Iron Age performed human sacrifices, the women were seen as infra-humans, and the morality was blurry.
The Torah replaced human sacrifices with animal sacrifices, the Talion principle was established as a framework for an increasing sense of morality, and women were treated better (these are just examples).
The Quran abolishes animal sacrifices (with a remnant in the feast of Aid-el-Kebir), claims that men and women are spiritually equal, polygamy is restricted, slavery is restricted (both allowed but discouraged), and the Muhammadan revelation creates a complex legal system that softens the Talionic law with a system of compensations.

Now, the Muslims have abolished slavery (illegal in every Islamic country). There are many Quranic laws that even the scholars feel they are obsolete (cutting a thief's hand...), etc.
However, there is a problem of misoginy in the Islamic community. Whereas the Prophet Muhammad taught his companions to treat their spouses with respect. He emancipated them greatly and granted them many rights.

Why would God initiate a gradual increasing of morality in the Middle-East, and leave it unachieved ? The Baha'i Faith appears to be the perfect upgrade of the former revelation.

The fruits of centuries of Islam and Christianity is an increased sense of morality. If we, people of today's world, condemn slavery, it is because our civilization developped in an Abrahamic matrix that refined our sense of morality and compassion.

I find it inconsistent that God would start a process and not give it its logical conclusion.

3_My belief in both Islam and Sikhism

I happened to be convinced by the claims of Muhammad (sws) and the Ten Gurus. I agree with Muhammad Asad when he says that there some form of divine perfection in Islam :

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Islam appears to me like a perfect work of architecture. All its parts are harmoniously conceived to complement and support each other; nothing is superfluous and nothing lacking; and the result is a structure of absolute balance and solid composure.
So is Sikhism. Perfect religions in the way they are built.

And the former advocates for absolute gender equality, abolition of slavery, and respect to all other religions, which makes some people believe that Baha'u'llah actually plagiarized the Sikhs, whereas he did not. These teachings just happen to stem from the same source.

Now, to me, that meant that more messengers of God came after Islam, and that the religions were increasingly compassionate, but only the Baha'i Faith seemed to be the key, because it relies on an Abrahamic software that integrates the Bible and the Quran, whereas the Sikh Faith relies on a Dharmic software that almost rejects the Abrahamic Scriptures.

4_Timing

Baha'u'llah was a prophet that preached in the very same time that the old world ended.

In once read a book from Paul Valéry (Regards sur le monde actuel) where he says that, in the course of the 19th Century, there was a massive change of civilization that was so tremendous that he, as a human being, felt that he was exploring/discovering a whole new planet just by living in his time.

He explains this change this way :
1_technological changes
2_The recognition of the totality of the field of human's life. He compares the Earth as humanity's body. In the same way that babies learn to recognize the borders of their body (what is their body/what is not), to control their limbs, to take possession of their hands and feet, humanity in the 19th century has taken possession of the Earth.

Before, what happened in Tokyo did not influence what happened in Berlin.
Before, there was always new lands to explore and discover. Now, humans have full control of the air, the oceans and the lands.
Now, the world is so interconnected that it's like a sound box, and it is much more complex. As the world is now finite, every political or economical actions reverberates on multiple layers so that the wit of former economists that ruled countries for centuries now has the value of a mere tip at the stock exchange.

And these changes happen when the Prophet of Unity is made manifest.

Also, the Bab's revelation was in the year 1844, which is at the same time the year Shia Muslims (some of them) were awaiting for Imam Mahdi (exactly 1000 years after the occulation of the Master of Time), and a year when Millerites expected for the Christ to come (you will notice that the Bab's name has the shape of a cross).

5_Divine help in times of needs.

We as contemporaries are challenged with unprecedented problems. Why would God leave us without remedy to these unforeseen tribulations ?

The Baha'i Faith says that today's problem is the lack of unity, and that unity is the solution. And that's perfectly true. We need these teachings.

6_Beauty

There is a Baha'i book entitled The Portals of Freedom that made me discover a spiritual splendor that I did not know it could exist. The Baha'i Faith proposes to unleash a form of spiritual beauty that never existed before, and this beauty is a proof in itself.

7_Some discoveries I made

I have met some people who were not Baha'is, but who were gifted by God with exceptionnal divine knowledge (I do say divine knowledge). I would give my life to them, but they did not know of Baha'u'llah.
However, their analysis of today's world is exactly the same as Baha'u'llah's. Exactly the same. The union of nations (one referred to it as the Passover of Nations), of religions, and a complete transformation of the civilization.

Of of both discovered that the Quran, the Bible and the Buddhic strutras were completing each others perfectly.

And indeed, he proved me that Baha'u'llah's was right when he says that every Holy Book announces His manifestation.

The Hindu, Islamic, Christian, Buddhic, Taoist, Zoroastrian, etc., religion ALL announce the upcoming of a Messiah in a time of trial called the End of Times, when corruption will be prevalent on the Earth. They all prophecize the same thing, and Baha'u'llah was right.

8_Mystical coincidences

The Baha'i revelation is surrounded by mystical coincidences (such as Abdu'l Baha being born the very night of the Bab's declaration).
But what triggered me is that I prayed to God, asking him for signs indicating if that religion was true or false, and I had very meaningful coincidences that started to happen in my life.

9_The feelings of the Writings

Baha'u'llah's writings are so full of might that it sometimes leaves me in a state of semi-terror, and my guts burn when I read some of his writings. I am in an awe, and sometimes also, in a wonder.

I think that this feeling of might in his writings is symetrical to the feeling of awe that I have when I see what is happening in today's world (such as this : China)

Baha'u'llah, in hiw writings, unleash forces that affect me in the same way that these technological wonders unleash considerable power, making me believe that they are both linked.

10_Concepts and teachings

Concepts and teachings such as Manifestation of God are so well designed that I started using them even before becoming a Baha'i, and I realized at some point that they affected me so much that I could not not be a Baha'i.
I was like a sheet of paper on which something that written that could not be erased. Either this was true, or nothing makes sense.

11_Prophetic arguments

I was very sensitive to the prophetic arguments of the Bab (in the Book of the Seven Proofs) and Baha'u'llah. Here again, I could not 'unbelieve' what I read.

12_Things like this

[1. Mirza Abu'l-Fadl quotes in his "Fara'id" (pp. 50-51), the following remarkable tradition from Muhammad, which is recognized as an authentic utterance of the Prophet and to which Siyyid Abdu'l-Vahhab-i-Sha'rani refers in his work entitled "Kitaabu'l-Yavaqit-iva'l-Javahir": "All of them [the companions of the Qaa'im] shall be slain except One who shall reach the plain of 'Akk?, the Banquet-Hall of God." The full text is also mentioned, according to Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, by Shaykh Ibnu'l-'Arabi in his "Futuhat-i-Makkiyyih." (Nabil, The Dawn-Breakers, p. 655, footnote)

I hope this helps.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:47 PM   #4
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I had been looking for years and when I saw His name I knew, I just knew. Learned the basic tenants, declared a few days after hearing his name, and have been on a most joyous and unbelievable journey of discovery ever since...coming on 30 years now! Everyone 's moment is different, and they are all good!
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:57 PM   #5
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"God Loves Laughter" by William Sears. I read that and it connected my heart.

I then read "Thief in the Night" also by William Sears and I was amazed. This was the message everyone has waited for.

I recommend those Books 😊

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Old 11-12-2016, 10:36 AM   #6
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- Learning the teachings of Bahaullah, and knowing what would be the 'Fruits' of His revelation.
- He appeared in Persia among the most ignorent, cruel and superstitous people, but He was the most wise, tried to train them, and save them.

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Old 11-12-2016, 12:44 PM   #7
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I am not sure why we need a reason. Other than faith which by definition has little evidence. The real test is maintaining the belief and encouraging it through action. That persistence in itself may be evidence.
 
Old 11-13-2016, 12:50 AM   #8
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Hi all,

If you will, please share with me some of the reasons that convinced you Baha'u'llah was a true prophet. I'm enjoying the Writings, but I am having trouble believing there is enough evidence for Baha'u'llah's claims.

Thank you.
Baha'u'llah's being.
 
Old 11-13-2016, 06:55 AM   #9
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Thank you for the responses. Proofs are important to me at this stage because I want to believe Baha'u'llah is authentic only if this is the objective truth, and not merely because I'm impressed with His expressions. I will keep reading and studying and praying.
 
Old 11-13-2016, 08:19 AM   #10
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Thank you for the responses. Proofs are important to me at this stage because I want to believe Baha'u'llah is authentic only if this is the objective truth, and not merely because I'm impressed with His expressions. I will keep reading and studying and praying.
Proofs are indeed important for someone who is a seeker. I feel you, because I went through this. It is very important to accept a religion not because you want to be a part of it ("it's a religion for me, it suits my feelings"), but because you are convinced it is true.

I think I did well to take months and months before converting, because I now realized that I did not want to be enthusiastic when entering the religion.

I did not want to feel surges of joy and to convert by feeling "Oh my God ! This is incredible ! I'm in it ! Oh my God !". Instead, I stepped backwards into the religion, becoming Baha'i little by little (and still doing so), so that I become a Baha'i through the door of my everyday life spirit, of my usual self without any emotionnal alteration, and through a cold-tempered complexion.

I also rememebered to have prayed to God that I wanted to enter the religion that was true, and not that was pleasing me, and after many struggles with some elements of the Baha'i Faith that I could not compute, I craved to convert to Islam and even started the Ramadan at the mosque.

In the end, I entered the Baha'i Faith willing to convert to other religions, when, in the first place, years before, the Baha'i religion was my desire. Things got reversed. I enetered the Faith because I knew it was true, and wished to be part of other communities.

The result is that I am now convinced, and I stick to the truth.

I also advise anyone to enter a religion the way I did, that is, rationnally, in an every-day mind complexion, being cold-tempered about it, and not reacting to a sudden emotionnal impulse.
 
Old 11-14-2016, 04:52 PM   #11
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Thanks Goaforce. I really do appreciate the replies. (I am on a mobile device and it's hard to write out long messages, so forgive me if my replies don't appear as thoughtful.)
 
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GoaForce, just wonderful answers.

Thanks so much!
 
Old 11-14-2016, 06:27 PM   #13
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Neophyte,

I think in the end I am a Baha'i because of the beauty of the vision that Baha'u'llah showed me about life. I believe that faith comes from love of that vision, that it makes sense out of so much that didn't add up before.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 02:26 PM   #14
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Hi friends,

I just wanted to check in and say that I am still reading the Writings and studying the Faith. I have ordered some beads with which to recite the Allah-u-Abha. I am nowhere near being ready to declare or to say I believe Baha'u'llah is a prophet, but I want to keep searching and praying. My goal is to take the next year to discern whether I believe in the Baha'i Revelation.
 
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Hi friends,

I just wanted to check in and say that I am still reading the Writings and studying the Faith. I have ordered some beads with which to recite the Allah-u-Abha. I am nowhere near being ready to declare or to say I believe Baha'u'llah is a prophet, but I want to keep searching and praying. My goal is to take the next year to discern whether I believe in the Baha'i Revelation.
Just read the news for a few days. Isn't that enough to convince you?

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My goal is to take the next year to discern whether I believe in the Baha'i Revelation.
Discernment is one of the many gifts that God grants to the sincere ones through the Holy Spirit. You can pray God again and again and ask him to give you spiritual support, discernment, truth and the necessary detachment to achieve your quest. Prayers work, but you need to pray in compliance with God's will, and the answers can take months before reaching you.
 
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When you have a person (Baha'u'llah) who talks more about himself and his woes more than anything else that should tell you something. Jesus never did. run as fast as you can. but that's your own road to travel. good luck and God bless.
 
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When you have a person (Baha'u'llah) who talks more about himself and his woes more than anything else that should tell you something. Jesus never did. run as fast as you can. but that's your own road to travel. good luck and God bless.
1. Baha'u'llah, like Christ or any other Manifestation (prophet) has no self-interest. Anything contained within the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, the Bible, or any other Holy Book is the knowledge of God, suited to a particular time and place for the complete transformation and rehabilitation of mankind. There is a profound significance and meaning behind the sufferings of Baha'u'llah, and His mention of this is to teach something to humankind.

Baha'u'llah was subjected to untold sufferings for the sake of all humanity. He refused a position in the royal court of the shah of Persia, was thrown into an underground prison, humiliated, tortured, had all of His possessions and property plundered, was exiled throughout various parts of the middle east, and was constantly assaulted and threatened by an ecclesiastical religious order who sought to smother His light. And why? Because Baha'u'llah brought forth a new message for all mankind, calling for the complete spiritual and organic unification of all peoples on the planet, ushering forth the Day of God and the universal redemption of all mankind. Clearly Baha'u'llah has no self-interest as He completely sacrificed Himself and forsook everything He had, if one looks with the eye of truth.

This is all historical fact that one can read about. It did not take place 2000 years ago, but only in the mid 1800's.


2. Both Christ and Baha'u'llah suffered many of the same trials and tribulations inherent within the time and place that they lived in. One major difference, however, is that Christ did not write anything Himself as far as we know. The Bible was only recorded after His departure from this world. In the Baha'i Revelation, Baha'u'llah Himself penned an ocean of Revelation, consisting of a vast number of tablets, poems, letters, exhortations, etc. Who knows what Christ, or any other Manifestation (prophet) would have written if they actually wrote something down in their own time.

Again, Baha'u'llah recounts His own sufferings and tribulations as a teaching tool and lesson for humankind, much in the same way that the sufferings and crucifixion of Christ have a profound meaning and lesson to teach.
 
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Jesus never did.
"Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?"
"My God! My God! Why hast Thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46

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When you have a person (Baha'u'llah) who talks more about himself and his woes more than anything else that should tell you something. Jesus never did. run as fast as you can. but that's your own road to travel. good luck and God bless.
Consider these;

Luke 24:25-26 "And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! "Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?"

Matthew 16:21 "From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day".

Matthew 17:12 "but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."

Luke 17:25 "But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation".

John 12:27 "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour".

There are many Passages where Christs Talks of what He will suffer, there is wisdom in this as there is wisdom in why Baha'u'llah asks to reflect upon what suffering He had to endure.

This passage is now also applicable in this day;


Luke 19:41-42 "When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes"

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When you have a person (Baha'u'llah) who talks more about himself and his woes more than anything else that should tell you something. Jesus never did. run as fast as you can. but that's your own road to travel. good luck and God bless.
Aww, people already beat me to some of the good scripture quotations!!

But I got a few others:

Luke 4:24 "Then He added, 'Truly I tell you, no prophet is accepted in his hometown.'"

Mark 11:12-14 "The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, 'May no one ever eat fruit from you again.' And his disciples heard him say it."

Luke 22:42 "Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done."

Incidentally, I can't think of all that many verses where Baha'u'llah talks about the sufferings he endures. At least not comparatively. The Scriptures from him I read the most frequently don't touch too much on the subject, the Hidden Words, Seven Valleys, Kitab-i-Aqdas... if I recall correctly, the Kitab-i-Iqan is filled with stories about trials and tribulations of prophets, but that text is specifically about the Bab, not necessarily himself.
 
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For me it is the message of the Baha'i.

„Die Erde ist nur ein Land, und alle Menschen sind seine Bürger.“
"The earth is just one country and all people are his citizens"

Die Einheit Gottes, die Einheit der Religionen, die Einheit der Menschheit.
The unity of God, unity of religions, the unity of mankind.

And first i read the german wikipedia article about the 12 ethical principles of the Bahá'í faith https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwölf_...ätze_der_Bahai
Then i start reading the books of the Baha'i, and i feel a strong attraction.
 
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For me it is the message of the Baha'i.

„Die Erde ist nur ein Land, und alle Menschen sind seine Bürger.“
"The earth is just one country and all people are his citizens"

Die Einheit Gottes, die Einheit der Religionen, die Einheit der Menschheit.
The unity of God, unity of religions, the unity of mankind.

And first i read the german wikipedia article about the 12 ethical principles of the Bahá'í faith https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwölf_...ätze_der_Bahai
Then i start reading the books of the Baha'i, and i feel a strong attraction.
Gut für Sie, sie sind große Zitate
Good for you, they are great Quotes

Ich bete und wünsche Ihnen alles Gute auf Ihrer Suche

Grüße Tony

I pray for and wish you well on your search

Regards Tony
 
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Hi all,

If you will, please share with me some of the reasons that convinced you Baha'u'llah was a true prophet. I'm enjoying the Writings, but I am having trouble believing there is enough evidence for Baha'u'llah's claims.

Thank you.
The logic of the teachings only goes so far, although in the backdrop of history, they are clearly way ahead of there time and the fact that humanity is moving entirely in the direction of the teachings of Baha'u'llah suggest the profound impact of His religious dispensation.

However, as with the faculty of our minds, it is with words that we ask, as you have, what are "some of the "reasons" that convinced you Baha'u'llah was a true prophet."

Ultimately, the fruit becomes very sweet and obvious over time, but requires a development of the spiritual palet to taste this fruit of "The Lord of Utterance", for it is in the "verses" that the proofs are truly found on the highest level. This requires one to "Immerse yourselves in the Ocean of My words, that ye may unravel its secrets and discover all the pearls of wisdom that lie hid in its depths."

The proof of a mine is the gold and silver contained within it, but it has to be mined.
The proof of medicine is its efficacy, but it has to be taken.
The proof of Prophethood are the words of the Prophet, but they have to be read.

Another side of that which proves the station of Prophethood is the confirmations one definitely experiences when observing the ordinances prescribed, such as reading the prayers, fasting, sharing the teachings with others, living the life. These confirmations come over time, and sometimes are clear as a bell ringing loudly with the purest sound.

Try, therefore, to do as Baha'u'llah says. That is, read from the Writings every morning and evening. Say the Daily Obligatory Prayer, as well as reciting, or a prayer every morning and evening, or chanting the Holy Verses, for the effect upon the soul does indeed become tangible. He also says to chant Allah'u'Abha 95 times per day. (God is Most Glorious)

All of this sinks into the soil of the heart the Miracle Grow, so to speak, from which the flowers and veggies grow, as the necessary spiritual nutrients reach into the depths of the soul and give it life.
 
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Google "Bahá'í prophecies fullfilled homepage", and you will find evidence that he is the promised one of all ages. Yá Bahá'u'l-Abhá
 
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Google "Bahá'í prophecies fullfilled homepage", and you will find evidence that he is the promised one of all ages. Yá Bahá'u'l-Abhá
Oooo... I'd be careful with that one. The intent of the site is good, but some sections like "Hindu Time Prophecies" are, frankly, a load of nonsense. It does a bunch of flashy math to distract you, but ultimately it pulls the "starting date" for calculating the length of the Kali Yuga out of literally nowhere.

Sure, some of the prophecies they report on at that site do line up with the Faith, but... some appear to be using dishonesty to try to link the Faith to various prophecies. And dishonesty like that really will not help the Faith.

Buddhist Time Prophecies also uses somewhat suspect math (it'd work fine if they were able to cite the source they were using to justify halving the Buddha's 5000 year time period... but they don't...) the whole site feels to me like someone saw the way the Book of Daniel lines up with the Baha'i Faith, got a bit overexcited, and tried to do the same with a bunch of other prophecies that... don't all line up the way the author wants. :/
 
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Oooo... I'd be careful with that one. The intent of the site is good, but some sections like "Hindu Time Prophecies" are, frankly, a load of nonsense. It does a bunch of flashy math to distract you, but ultimately it pulls the "starting date" for calculating the length of the Kali Yuga out of literally nowhere.

Sure, some of the prophecies they report on at that site do line up with the Faith, but... some appear to be using dishonesty to try to link the Faith to various prophecies. And dishonesty like that really will not help the Faith.

Buddhist Time Prophecies also uses somewhat suspect math (it'd work fine if they were able to cite the source they were using to justify halving the Buddha's 5000 year time period... but they don't...) the whole site feels to me like someone saw the way the Book of Daniel lines up with the Baha'i Faith, got a bit overexcited, and tried to do the same with a bunch of other prophecies that... don't all line up the way the author wants. :/
Ya Allah,


I would only look into the prophecies of Abrahamic religions, such as Jewish, Christian and Islamic prophecies. Those are more correlated together and with the Bahá'í
 
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