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Old 01-16-2017, 09:59 AM   #1
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Similarities between the Bab and Jesus

So as I believe in the Unity of Religion, I do wander around my neighborhood and attend the services of other groups from time to time to see what can be learned from them. So following this practice I was at a Methodist Church service, and heard a sermon about John 1:35-42.

In that bible verse, we have John the Baptist telling of his followers about Jesus' identity, and those followers then going off to follow Jesus and becoming the first of Jesus' followers.

Which reminded me of the story of Siyyid Kázim, Mullá Husayn, and the Báb. I was already familiar with the similarities between the life and martyrdom of both Jesus and the Báb, but I'm now even more interested in exploring this subject. I'd like to compile a list of similarities between the two, and am wondering if anyone here knows some similarities I am unaware of.

My list so far:

-The coming of Jesus was heralded by a famous religious leader, John the Baptist. The coming of the Báb was heralded by a famous religious leader, Siyyid Kázim.
-Jesus was sought out by two of John the Baptist's followers, Simon Peter among them. The Báb was sought out by one of Siyyid Kázim's followers, Mullá Husayn.
-Simon Peter became a very important figure among Jesus' disciples. Mullá Husayn became a very important figure among the Báb's Letters of the Living.
-Jesus gathered 12 disciples, Simon Peter the first. The Báb gathered 18 Letters of the Living, Mullá Husayn the first.
-Simon Peter was martyred for his beliefs. Mullá Husayn was martyred for his beliefs.
-Jesus taught at a young age. The Báb taught at a young age.
-Jesus was brought before religious and secular authorities and it was demanded that he renounce his teachings. The Báb was brought before religious and secular authorities and it was demanded that he renounce his teachings.
-Jesus refused to renounce his teachings, and was sentenced to death. The Báb refused to renounce his teachings, and was sentenced to death.
-Jesus was suspended above the ground and martyred. The Báb was suspended above the ground and martyred.

The parallels, so far, are fascinating. Anyone know of any more I can add??
 
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Old 01-19-2017, 03:43 PM   #2
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So as I believe in the Unity of Religion, I do wander around my neighborhood and attend the services of other groups from time to time to see what can be learned from them. So following this practice I was at a Methodist Church service, and heard a sermon about John 1:35-42.

In that bible verse, we have John the Baptist telling of his followers about Jesus' identity, and those followers then going off to follow Jesus and becoming the first of Jesus' followers.

Which reminded me of the story of Siyyid Kázim, Mullá Husayn, and the Báb. I was already familiar with the similarities between the life and martyrdom of both Jesus and the Báb, but I'm now even more interested in exploring this subject. I'd like to compile a list of similarities between the two, and am wondering if anyone here knows some similarities I am unaware of.

My list so far:

-The coming of Jesus was heralded by a famous religious leader, John the Baptist. The coming of the Báb was heralded by a famous religious leader, Siyyid Kázim.
-Jesus was sought out by two of John the Baptist's followers, Simon Peter among them. The Báb was sought out by one of Siyyid Kázim's followers, Mullá Husayn.
-Simon Peter became a very important figure among Jesus' disciples. Mullá Husayn became a very important figure among the Báb's Letters of the Living.
-Jesus gathered 12 disciples, Simon Peter the first. The Báb gathered 18 Letters of the Living, Mullá Husayn the first.
-Simon Peter was martyred for his beliefs. Mullá Husayn was martyred for his beliefs.
-Jesus taught at a young age. The Báb taught at a young age.
-Jesus was brought before religious and secular authorities and it was demanded that he renounce his teachings. The Báb was brought before religious and secular authorities and it was demanded that he renounce his teachings.
-Jesus refused to renounce his teachings, and was sentenced to death. The Báb refused to renounce his teachings, and was sentenced to death.
-Jesus was suspended above the ground and martyred. The Báb was suspended above the ground and martyred.

The parallels, so far, are fascinating. Anyone know of any more I can add??
Boy are you going to be amazed

I came across this some time ago when looking at that subject, have a feast Walrus

http://phoenixbahaicommunity.org/wp-...1b-revised.pdf

Regards Tony
 
Old 01-20-2017, 07:05 AM   #3
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Boy are you going to be amazed

I came across this some time ago when looking at that subject, have a feast Walrus

http://phoenixbahaicommunity.org/wp-...1b-revised.pdf

Regards Tony
Ten-thousand thanks!! This was sort of what I was looking for!!

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Both called the very first to recognize and accept Them by a special title or designation, Christ: Peter – the ‘rock’ (Matthew 16:18, “And I say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church…”); the Báb: Mullá Husayn – “O thou who art the first to believe in Me! Verily I say, I am the Báb, the Gate of God, and thou art the Babu’l-Báb, the gate of that Gate.” (The Dawn-Breakers, p. 63)
Awesome!! I was actually looking for this exact thing. In noting parallels between Mulla Husayn and Simon Peter, and knowing that Simon was given the new name of Cephas/Peter, meaning "Rock", (and knowing the tendency of the Baha'i figures to designate special names) I actually did search to see if the Bab had given a name to Mulla Husayn, but at the time I could not find any quote.
 
Old 01-20-2017, 09:41 AM   #4
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I don't know if this was already listed:

- In the beginning of their ministry, both told their desciples not to reveal to everyone that, They are the promised Ones. Jesus told His desciples not to tell others, He is the Messiah. The Bab initially told the same to His desciples.
 
Old 02-27-2017, 11:19 PM   #5
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Another parallel which is a bit hazier, (and may only be apparent due to confirmation bias on my part), is that of the religion of the Sabians (which Shoghi Effendi cites as one of nine currently existent religions in one of his letters).

The name of the Prophet of the Sabians is lost, and the religion currently only exists as a tiny community known as the Mandeans. While the exact time the religion was established is unknown, their only text which chronicles their history begins in a time shortly before the time of Jesus, and states that the Sabians were of the religion of Abraham, but had to leave Jerusalem and establish themselves elsewhere. I have read elsewhere that the religion of the Sabians is likely the religion that John the Baptist belonged too, and it is assumed that the vast majority of the Sabians became Christians.

The brief history of the Sabians, and the fall of the religion into obscurity with most following a new Prophet is very similar to the history of the Babi and Baha'i Faiths. Of course it should be noted that this similarity is due to a fair few assumptions and probably faulty laymans interpretations on my part.
 
Old 05-11-2017, 09:02 PM   #6
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I always thought he was similar to John the Baptist.
 
Old 05-12-2017, 01:18 PM   #7
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I always thought he was similar to John the Baptist.
This is also true. There are many relationships between the Prophets that don't just fit one definition. Especially if you are coming from a Christian perspective, it is easy to see the relationship between the Bab and Baha'u'llah as like that between John the Baptist and Christ, but a difference is that the Bab had an independent Revelation, while John the Baptist was a lesser Prophet under the Dispensation of Moses.

When you look at the ministry of the Bab and then His martyrdom, how he was questioned by religious authorities, prosecuted and executed, and even the miraculous circumstances surrounding that, there are clear parallels with Jesus Christ.
 
Old 05-14-2017, 08:17 PM   #8
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Both were indeed martyred for their Cause at the hands of the authorities of the day.

A striking similarity also is the 3 days after which Their bodies were recovered by Their followers. Where the stories diverge is the reframing of the story as one of Resurrection in the case of the Christ, and a more literal understanding in the Babi/Baha'i case.

As we know Jesus was 'raised' on the 3rd day. Abdu'l-Baha tells us that this was a rejuvenation of the nascent Christian community, and that Jesus' body was recovered by His followers on the second night and buried respectfully elsewhere (ref. Some Answered Questions). Why did the Christians claim that Christ was brought back from the dead then? That would be the topic of another post, but it seems to me that it was Christ's own wish to His Disciples before His death, given the metaphorical nature of much of His Teachings.

Similarly with the Bab, it was on the second night that His body was recovered from where it was left beside the moat by the authorities to be eaten by animals. The believers did not contest the official announcement so that they may carry the body away in safety (https://bahai-library.com/merrick_ho..._martyrdom_bab).

This has me thinking - imagine if the Babis had likewise then claimed that the Bab had risen from the dead, and people started attesting to His resurrection and meeting with them?? How different would the Faith be today, with a similar resurrection story. The Babis however did not do as the Christians did, and under Baha'u'llah's guidance secured the remains of the Bab away from Iran.

Perhaps the reaction of their followers was only natural given what both Manifestations were teaching, in that Jesus claimed that He would be raised again after His death, whereas the Bab claimed that One greater than Himself would appear.
 
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