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Old 01-24-2017, 03:41 PM   #1
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That's So 20th Century

Without any allusion to current events, there's a trend that I've noticed. Facts and concepts like truth and justice seem to be going out of fashion.

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Old 01-24-2017, 10:15 PM   #2
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Without any allusion to current events, there's a trend that I've noticed. Facts and concepts like truth and justice seem to be going out of fashion.

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Yes shows you the wisdom of why Baha'u'llah says the Press Must report the Truth.

Over a century ago, Baha’u’llah, the Prophet-Founder of the Baha’i Faith spoke on the important nature of the service provided by the media,

“In this day the mysteries of this earth are unfolded and visible before the eyes, and the pages of swiftly appearing newspapers are indeed the mirror of the world; they display the doings and actions of the different nations; they both illustrate them and cause them to be heard. Newspapers are as a mirror endowed with hearing, sight and speech; they are a wonderful phenomenon and a great matter.

But it behooves the writers and editors thereof to be sanctified from the prejudice of egotism and desire, and to be adorned with the ornament of equity and justice. They must inquire into matters as fully as possible in order that they may be informed of the real facts, and commit the same to writing.”

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Without any allusion to current events, there's a trend that I've noticed. Facts and concepts like truth and justice seem to be going out of fashion.
Yes, and they even invented a special word for that - 'post-truth'.
 
Old 01-25-2017, 09:38 AM   #4
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Yes, and they even invented a special word for that - 'post-truth'.
Indeed. And if it were just the press... I see the same things in people's private lives, in courts of justice, in public administration.

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Old 01-25-2017, 10:25 AM   #5
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Hold tight dear friends, the world is in for some ride!

Have to dodge all those wrecking balls swinging from the Old World Order!

Makes it difficult to build communities on one hand, but on the other hand gives much new foundation to do so!

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Old 01-25-2017, 12:34 PM   #6
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Hold tight dear friends, the world is in for some ride!

Have to dodge all those wrecking balls swinging from the Old World Order!

Makes it difficult to build communities on one hand, but on the other hand gives much new foundation to do so!

Regards Tony
I'm thinking in terms of public health issues. In public health, vaccination coverage is a key issue. For as long as a sufficiently large portion of the population is covered by vaccination, the risk of large-scale epidemics is low. But when immunization coverage sinks below a certain level, say 90 per cent, the risk rises. I see a similar phenomenon in the area I deal with.

Let us say that each child is surrounded by some ten public servants, who follow its development – teachers, nurses, psychologists, social workers, etc. Then, the parents file for divorce. A custody process begins. Let us now assume that one of the parents is ready to absolutely anything to gain sole custody. What I have noticed is that such a parent is likely to find at least one ally among those officials: someone who is ready to make false affidavits about meetings, make false entries in health records, turn a blind eye to facts that do not fit in with a lopsided story, etc.

A conservative estimate is that at least one out of ten public servants is ready to do such things. I am afraid, however, that the share is considerably greater, maybe one in five.

That indeed is frightening. My observations lead me to believe that disregard for such basic values as truthfulness and trustworthiness have reached a critical level – that liefulness has reached such a level that it’s becoming a socially acceptable behaviour.

In such a society, sticking to basic virtues becomes a revolutionary attitude, most likely to lead to very serious problems.

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I'm thinking in terms of public health issues. In public health, vaccination coverage is a key issue. For as long as a sufficiently large portion of the population is covered by vaccination, the risk of large-scale epidemics is low. But when immunization coverage sinks below a certain level, say 90 per cent, the risk rises. I see a similar phenomenon in the area I deal with.

Let us say that each child is surrounded by some ten public servants, who follow its development – teachers, nurses, psychologists, social workers, etc. Then, the parents file for divorce. A custody process begins. Let us now assume that one of the parents is ready to absolutely anything to gain sole custody. What I have noticed is that such a parent is likely to find at least one ally among those officials: someone who is ready to make false affidavits about meetings, make false entries in health records, turn a blind eye to facts that do not fit in with a lopsided story, etc.

A conservative estimate is that at least one out of ten public servants is ready to do such things. I am afraid, however, that the share is considerably greater, maybe one in five.

That indeed is frightening. My observations lead me to believe that disregard for such basic values as truthfulness and trustworthiness have reached a critical level – that liefulness has reached such a level that it’s becoming a socially acceptable behaviour.

In such a society, sticking to basic virtues becomes a revolutionary attitude, most likely to lead to very serious problems.

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"Were it not for the cold, how would the heat of Thy Words prevail? O Expounder of the worlds!"

How will the World Order of Baha'u'llah distinguish itself other than the perfidy and corruption of the old world order be allowed to show how bankrupt it is, how its administrators are given to temptations, driven by ego and selfish desires.

After thousands of years of experiments, humanity has had plenty of time to show its abilities and has failed to create such a beautiful and perfect system of Administration as Baha'u'llah has designed.

"Of the increase of His government there shall be no end."
 
Old 01-25-2017, 08:29 PM   #8
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"Were it not for the cold, how would the heat of Thy Words prevail? O Expounder of the worlds!"

How will the World Order of Baha'u'llah distinguish itself other than the perfidy and corruption of the old world order be allowed to show how bankrupt it is, how its administrators are given to temptations, driven by ego and selfish desires.

After thousands of years of experiments, humanity has had plenty of time to show its abilities and has failed to create such a beautiful and perfect system of Administration as Baha'u'llah has designed.

"Of the increase of His government there shall be no end."
I do understand what you say. What I'm trying to say, is that I'm not sure that there is much of an Old World Order left. I just see chaos. I see facades and hear words, with absolutely nothing behind them - total emptiness.

I try to do my bit of teaching, in my stupid way. And I have two dear little children, and feel very unsure about their next few years. And there is nothing in the Writings that promises that we, as individual Bahá'ís, will survive the years ahead. We just have the promise that the Faith will prevail in the end.

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Old 01-25-2017, 08:33 PM   #9
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I do understand what you say. What I'm trying to say, is that I'm not sure that there is much of an Old World Order left. I just see chaos.

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Well, as the Bob Dylan says:

"Its a hard... Its a hard... Its a hard... Its a hard...
Its a hard rain... ... ... ...'s a gonna fall..."
 
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I do understand what you say. What I'm trying to say, is that I'm not sure that there is much of an Old World Order left. I just see chaos. I see facades and hear words, with absolutely nothing behind them - total emptiness.

I try to do my bit of teaching, in my stupid way. And I have two dear little children, and feel very unsure about their next few years. And there is nothing in the Writings that promises that we, as individual Bahá'ís, will survive the years ahead. We just have the promise that the Faith will prevail in the end.

gnat
. "The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appeareth to be lamentably defective. I beseech God, exalted be His glory, that He may graciously awaken the peoples of the earth..."
. "Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah" p. 216)

. "Compare these splendid manifestations of the spirit animating this vibrant body of the Faith of Bahá'u'lláh with the cries and agony, the follies and vanities, the bitterness and prejudices, the wickedness and divisions of an ailing and chaotic world. Witness the fear that torments its leaders and paralyzes the action of its blind and bewildered statesmen. How fierce the hatreds, how false the ambitions, how petty the pursuits, how deep-rooted the suspicions of its peoples! How disquieting the lawlessness, the corruption, the unbelief that are eating into the vitals of a tottering civilization!"
. (Shoghi Effendi (1897-1957) "The World Order of Baha'u'llah," p. 155)

. "Chaos and confusion are daily increasing in the world. They will attain such intensity as to render the frame of mankind unable to bear them. Then will men be awakened and become aware that religion is the impregnable stronghold and the manifest light of the world, and its laws, exhortations and teachings, the source of life on earth."
. (The Universal House of Justice, Letter dated 10 February 1980, "Messages From the Universal House of Justice 1963-1986," p. 434)
 
Old 01-25-2017, 08:42 PM   #11
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Without any allusion to current events, there's a trend that I've noticed. Facts and concepts like truth and justice seem to be going out of fashion.
Sales of 1984 are going through the roof.
 
Old 01-26-2017, 05:26 AM   #12
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Sales of 1984 are going through the roof.
I rather think of Robocop - the kind of society that is the scene of that film.

But honestly, I didn't know how much I loved my country and my people, until I realized to what extent we have debased and degraded ourselves through this total disregard for key values that I see everywhere. I've sensed it ever since my early youth, but still I didn't see this total amorality coming, although I've had to face it all my life. But still I had some hope, but now I foresee some kind of total breakdown. It sure will be good in some hundred years, but....

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P. S. And exactly today, the Director General of the National Property Board of Sweden and his predecessor were arrested on suspicion of corruption. That is the agency in charge of all state real estate.

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Old 01-31-2017, 07:00 AM   #13
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Yes, and they even invented a special word for that - 'post-truth'.
Alternative truth, I believe, is what is being pushed to be established, at least in the US.
Sad,
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:11 AM   #14
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On one hand: Sure. There may be a bunch of reasons one can point to to insist there is something wrong with this world and the direction it is going in, its societies, governments, medias, etc.

On the other hand: "Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?"
 
Old 02-01-2017, 12:40 AM   #15
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On one hand: Sure. There may be a bunch of reasons one can point to to insist there is something wrong with this world and the direction it is going in, its societies, governments, medias, etc.

On the other hand: "Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?"
Ha Ha well done

Ties in to this from Abdul'baha, 9 stages of the Soul;

"...The human soul has the following stages:

a. the commanding soul - the soul that commands to evil - is preoccupied with the trivialities of this world, and is infatuated with evil and ephemeral desires

b. the blaming soul - which becomes aware of the depths of its degradation and of its remoteness from its true goal. It awakes to a perception of its state, is filled with regret and blames itself for the depths of perversity and error to which it has sunk.

c. the inspired soul - as it rises from its lowly condition, the soul comes to understand those things that kept it abased and those thing which will lead to its elevation. It becomes averse to those things that perish and to incline towards those things that endure. It is termed the inspired soul for it is inspired as to that which leads it to depravation or to righteousness.

d. the assured soul - this is the stage at which the soul is in remembrance of its Lord and sees the signs of God in the creation. As a result it is assured in its faith, its turmoil and unrest is calmed, it has quenched its thirst, soothed its torment; it has changed its darkness to light and unloaded its burdens.

e. the accepting soul - reaches a station of submission and contentment, leaving behind its searching and neediness. It entrust its affairs to God and is content with whatever God may decree for it. This is a happiness which is not followed by sadness. There remains no will, no rest, no motion, no destiny nor any fate except in God.

f. the accepted soul - in this state all-encompassing blessings and mercy reach it. Insofar as it has risen and left behind its passions and accepted the decree of its Lord, it becomes accepted in the sight of God, and in its state of nothingness, it is approved by its Creator

g. the perfect soul - here it is characterized by divine perfections and comprised of godly attributes. It thus becomes the focal point of inspiration and the dawning-place for the Divine effulgences.

h. the soul of the Kingdom of God (Malakut) - here the soul confirms in its reality the profession of Divine Unity and establishes in its essence the sign of detachment. It attains to everlasting life and eternal living. It takes pleasure from delights the like of which no eye has seen nor any ear heard.

i. the soul of the Realm of Divine Command - this is a station far above the understanding of the minds of men, for this station is created out of the elements of power, authority, sovereignty, omnipotence, and freedom and nothing that has limitations or pluralities has any resemblance to it. Here the soul becomes aware of the secrets of hidden and invisible realities. This is the ultimate goal in the world of creation.


v. the Divine Soul, the soul of the realm of Primal Manifestation - it is the Universal Reality which brings together all of the revealed Divine realities, the Primal Point from which appear all things and to which they revert. From it there appears plurality through manifestation and illumination, and it becomes divided, dispersed and manifold, and radiates. This station and this soul are completely and forever beyond the reach of human beings...."

Can See a lot in those words

Regards Tony
 
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Ha Ha well done

Ties in to this from Abdul'baha, 9 stages of the Soul;

"...The human soul has the following stages:

a. the commanding soul - the soul that commands to evil - is preoccupied with the trivialities of this world, and is infatuated with evil and ephemeral desires

b. the blaming soul - which becomes aware of the depths of its degradation and of its remoteness from its true goal. It awakes to a perception of its state, is filled with regret and blames itself for the depths of perversity and error to which it has sunk.

c. the inspired soul - as it rises from its lowly condition, the soul comes to understand those things that kept it abased and those thing which will lead to its elevation. It becomes averse to those things that perish and to incline towards those things that endure. It is termed the inspired soul for it is inspired as to that which leads it to depravation or to righteousness.

d. the assured soul - this is the stage at which the soul is in remembrance of its Lord and sees the signs of God in the creation. As a result it is assured in its faith, its turmoil and unrest is calmed, it has quenched its thirst, soothed its torment; it has changed its darkness to light and unloaded its burdens.

e. the accepting soul - reaches a station of submission and contentment, leaving behind its searching and neediness. It entrust its affairs to God and is content with whatever God may decree for it. This is a happiness which is not followed by sadness. There remains no will, no rest, no motion, no destiny nor any fate except in God.

f. the accepted soul - in this state all-encompassing blessings and mercy reach it. Insofar as it has risen and left behind its passions and accepted the decree of its Lord, it becomes accepted in the sight of God, and in its state of nothingness, it is approved by its Creator

g. the perfect soul - here it is characterized by divine perfections and comprised of godly attributes. It thus becomes the focal point of inspiration and the dawning-place for the Divine effulgences.

h. the soul of the Kingdom of God (Malakut) - here the soul confirms in its reality the profession of Divine Unity and establishes in its essence the sign of detachment. It attains to everlasting life and eternal living. It takes pleasure from delights the like of which no eye has seen nor any ear heard.

i. the soul of the Realm of Divine Command - this is a station far above the understanding of the minds of men, for this station is created out of the elements of power, authority, sovereignty, omnipotence, and freedom and nothing that has limitations or pluralities has any resemblance to it. Here the soul becomes aware of the secrets of hidden and invisible realities. This is the ultimate goal in the world of creation.


v. the Divine Soul, the soul of the realm of Primal Manifestation - it is the Universal Reality which brings together all of the revealed Divine realities, the Primal Point from which appear all things and to which they revert. From it there appears plurality through manifestation and illumination, and it becomes divided, dispersed and manifold, and radiates. This station and this soul are completely and forever beyond the reach of human beings...."

Can See a lot in those words

Regards Tony
This, I really appreciate, Tony. Thank you! Helpful
 
Old 02-12-2017, 01:14 AM   #17
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This, I really appreciate, Tony. Thank you! Helpful
It is wonderful, I am always amazed by Abdul'Baha and the depth of His understanding of His Fathers Revelation.

I love the Tablet of the Universe, truly inspiring

Hope you are well and Happy, regards Tony
 
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It is wonderful, I am always amazed by Abdul'Baha and the depth of His understanding of His Fathers Revelation.

I love the Tablet of the Universe, truly inspiring

Hope you are well and Happy, regards Tony

Tony, can you be more specific about what tablet of Abdu'l-Baha' s I would find these stages in? I would very much love to read it all....and He has a written more than a few tablets....
Loving regards,
Becky
 
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Tony, can you be more specific about what tablet of Abdu'l-Baha' s I would find these stages in? I would very much love to read it all....and He has a written more than a few tablets....
Loving regards,
Becky
It is Abdul'baha's Commentry on the Surah of Rum, it was from this link I got the quote. The Stages of the Soul

This is a discussion on that tablet.

Happy Ayyam-i-ha

Love from my Wife and I
 
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It is Abdul'baha's Commentry on the Surah of Rum, it was from this link I got the quote. The Stages of the Soul

This is a discussion on that tablet.

Happy Ayyam-i-ha

Love from my Wife and I
Thank you so much, Tony! Love to you and Mrs. Tony.....💗💗💗
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