Bahai Forums

Go Back   Baha'i Forums > Baha'i Forums > General Discussion

General Discussion Open Baha'i Discussion


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-07-2017, 01:30 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2017
From: Greeneville, TN
Posts: 1
Post Hi, I would like to tell you about Jesus Christ, the only way to God

Hi guys.

I don't know where to post this, but the Lord has been laying it on my heart for the past few days to tell people about Jesus. This burden is so strong that I have felt sick and very desperate to reach out to others and tell them about Jesus. I asked my Pastor if there were any ministries I could do through my church to serve God, but all he said to me was that if there was anything, he'd let me know. God has been driving me to serve Him so bad that I don't think I can wait much longer for an answer from my Pastor, I am desperate here and I don't think he understands just how urgent it is to witness to the lost. People are dying and going to Hell. That is no laughing matter.

So I am going to write a post and witness to the lost on here...

Dear person much loved by the Lord,

Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me. Have you ever thought about what happens after you die? I have. It has brought me much anxiety thinking about it, because I know that this life does not last forever and one day, we all will die.

A lot of people today do not think about where they will spend eternity, and this thinking is a big mistake.

But what happens after death? The Bible is the only book that can tell us what happens to us after we die. God Himself wrote this great book; it is probably the most important book that was ever written.

Do you mind if I quote some Scriptures? Some people get offended when I quote the Bible, but I never do. Do you know why? Because I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus is my Saviour. The Bible says so. And with that being said, I will give you some Bible verses to help you and educate you.

So what happens after we die? The Bible teaches that man is a tripart being composed of spirit, soul, and a fleshly body. At death, our souls separate from our body and goes back to God to be judged by Him. God will judge everything we do in the body, whether good or bad.

But here is the bad news. You see, nobody is truly a good person. You see, only God is truly good.

Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever hated anyone? If you have, then you have sinned. Killing others is also a sin, and yet you hear every day on the news that someone has murdered somebody else. Why? Because mankind are sinners and on their way to a burning Hell.

Rom 3:23 :
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith:

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord.

If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell. In our modern world today, people think that Hell is a place of never-ending parties and good times. They think that all of their friends will be there. But that is far from the truth. You would think that these people have never read the Bible, or that they have never taken it seriously.

The Bible teaches that Hell is a place of never-ending fire and torment, and my dear friend, that is not very much fun (this truth has scared a lot of people). It is a place of tears and no hope. It is darkness and loneliness. You won't be able to see anyone at all. It is eternal separation from God Himself. Since God is the Source of Joy and Happiness, that means that everything apart from Him is tears, sorrow, and no happiness. And that does not sound like very much fun at all, doesn't it?

So my dear friend, for your own eternal safety, I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart today, and make Him Lord over your life.

If you have done this, you need to find a Bible-believing church where you can grow in God's Word. And you also need to find out what God wants you to do with your life, so that you may serve Him.

Blessings,
Jacqueline
 
Join Baha'i Forums


Welcome to Baha'i Forums, an open Baha'i Faith community! We welcome everyone and the community is free to join so register today and become part of the Baha'i Forums family!


Old 06-07-2017, 06:14 PM   #2
Jcc
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2013
From: Edwardsville, Illinois, USA
Posts: 420
Dear Jaqueline, thank you for posting. We believe in Jesus, both in His first coming 2000 years ago in Palestine, and also in His second coming 200 years ago in Persia. This is a wonderous time to be living!
 
Old 06-07-2017, 11:02 PM   #3
Just a member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
From: Glenwood, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 642
Good morning JacquelineDeane55

Truly, my heart felt joy. At the sincerity of your words, at the humbleness of your wording, at the truth of your statement that one must accept Jesus Christ into one's heart.

All Baha'is love Christ. For a Baha'i to reject Christ would be to reject all of God's Messengers. And what/where would that leave one? To reject God's Messengers is to reject God.

There is a parable in the Bible, a most indicative parable. That of the Vineyard. One's memory is unable to recall it word for word, but you will know where to find it in the Gospel. But in rough terms, it flows as follows:

The owner of a vineyard went away and left servants in charge. After a time, he sent other servants. But these servants chose to drive them away. The owner send his son, and the wrong-doing servants decide to kill him. The owner of the vineyard send another servant, and him too do they drive away. Finally, the owner himself comes, and takes away the vineyard from these servants who had betrayed their trust, and instead places other reliable servants to do the work.

In this parable, it is very clear that Christ foretold His own martyrdom.

Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah is the Owner returned to take back His Vineyard.

And what is this Vineyard? This, as a follower of His Blessed Holiness Jesus Christ, you already know.

With warmest greetings

Romane
 
Old 06-07-2017, 11:17 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
From: Blue Planet
Posts: 1,193
thank you JacquelineDeane55

I have always extremely loved Jesus and I still do. He is the Light of God.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 06:22 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Walrus's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2014
From: Wisconsin
Posts: 595
Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
Hi guys.
Hello!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
Dear person much loved by the Lord,

Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me. Have you ever thought about what happens after you die? I have. It has brought me much anxiety thinking about it, because I know that this life does not last forever and one day, we all will die.

A lot of people today do not think about where they will spend eternity, and this thinking is a big mistake.
I too think a lot about death. It is one of the most wondrous and joyous subjects, I think, in the whole of metaphysics!! How wonderful death is, the soul free from time itself, gifted with intercession, and entering into eternity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
But what happens after death?
It is truly impossible to be able to state for certain the state of death, since it lies outside of our experience and our perception. We have no baseline to describe what we have not experienced, and thus we have no words in our language to accurately and wholly describe such a divine state. The best we can do is with rough comparative analogy. The state of death is said to be similar to the state of dreams, as both are states when the soul is active while the body is passive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
The Bible is the only book that can tell us what happens to us after we die. God Himself wrote this great book; it is probably the most important book that was ever written.

Do you mind if I quote some Scriptures? Some people get offended when I quote the Bible, but I never do. Do you know why? Because I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus is my Saviour. The Bible says so. And with that being said, I will give you some Bible verses to help you and educate you.

So what happens after we die? The Bible teaches that man is a tripart being composed of spirit, soul, and a fleshly body. At death, our souls separate from our body and goes back to God to be judged by Him. God will judge everything we do in the body, whether good or bad.
Indeed we are in agreement here!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
But here is the bad news. You see, nobody is truly a good person. You see, only God is truly good.
I'm not sure I would agree here, though. I'd rather state that God is truly beyond good, as infinity eschews attributes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever hated anyone? If you have, then you have sinned. Killing others is also a sin, and yet you hear every day on the news that someone has murdered somebody else. Why? Because mankind are sinners and on their way to a burning Hell.
I disagree slightly here. You state later that hell is the separation from God, which is a statement I agree with. But if this is the case, such persons as the killers you describe are already in a state of hell and separation, while alive. It's not necessarily their destination but their present state.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
Rom 3:23 :
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith:

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord.
Indeed. As others have mentioned we too acknowledge Jesus Christ, and we strive to acknowledge all the times Christ has come to this world.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell. In our modern world today, people think that Hell is a place of never-ending parties and good times. They think that all of their friends will be there. But that is far from the truth. You would think that these people have never read the Bible, or that they have never taken it seriously.

The Bible teaches that Hell is a place of never-ending fire and torment, and my dear friend, that is not very much fun (this truth has scared a lot of people). It is a place of tears and no hope. It is darkness and loneliness. You won't be able to see anyone at all. It is eternal separation from God Himself. Since God is the Source of Joy and Happiness, that means that everything apart from Him is tears, sorrow, and no happiness. And that does not sound like very much fun at all, doesn't it?
Indeed. What greater hellfire could there be than separation from God??

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane55 View Post
So my dear friend, for your own eternal safety, I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart today, and make Him Lord over your life.
Do not worry. Those of us here have done so.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 12:45 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
From: Dorset, England
Posts: 126
"Nazarethan Baha'i faith" is compatible with Christianity, but is not Christian faith

That is truth what you said
1. TRUTH - Hell is literal place
" If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell"

2. TRUTH - Jesus died for our sins, Jesus went in our place (died for our sins) if we believe he is Son of God, Jesus blood was poured for our salvation - because of it - Jesus is called "Savior"
" Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me"

3. TRUTH - Jesus Resurrection occurred literal, Jesus had become spirit

" So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord"

Jacqueline, God bless you for these news

Visit blog of Nazarethan Baha'i Faith
https://nazarethanbahaifaith.wordpre...n-bahai-faith/
 
Old 06-08-2017, 12:59 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Walrus's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2014
From: Wisconsin
Posts: 595
Ah, Pawel!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babism View Post
1. TRUTH - Hell is literal place
This always struck me as a fundamentally non-important question. Separation from God is much more frightening than eternal burning or whatnot. Any suffering of a literal hell must necessarily be lesser than the suffering caused by separation from God, and WOEFULLY insignificant in comparison!!

Ask yourself: Would you rather be in an eternity of pain, but with the presence of God attained, or in an eternity of pleasure, but without a connection to God. Once that question is answered, I think you'll understand why I find the question of whether or not hell is literal is insignificant overall.

Truly, an existence where I experienced the pain of being burned alive for all of eternity but with God would be the greatest of heavens compared to a hell in which I experienced nothing but physical pleasures but was denied a connection to God. So what does it matter, truly, whether or not Hell is literal if Hell nevertheless means a separation from God??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babism View Post
2. TRUTH - Jesus died for our sins, Jesus went in our place (died for our sins) if we believe he is Son of God, Jesus blood was poured for our salvation - because of it - Jesus is called "Savior"
I don't know that anyone here disputes this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babism View Post
3. TRUTH - Jesus Resurrection occurred literal, Jesus had become spirit
Interesting fact, Pawel. What you mean when you say the Resurrection is literal is the exact same as what many Baha'is say when they say it is not literal. When the Baha'i writings state that the Resurrection was not literal, they only ever mean that the body of Christ did not literally ascend into the sky. Jesus became spirit, this is a point of agreement between us, even if you do not believe it is a point of agreement.

It's really just a matter of word choice. Some people believe Jesus became spirit and thus view the term resurrection as something that literally happened. Others believe Jesus became spirit, but because his earthly body did not return to the earth, believe the term resurrection is not literal. Ultimately, no one is arguing about what happened, the argument is over the definition of the word "literal".
 
Old 06-08-2017, 01:28 PM   #8
Lives in hope
 
AidanK's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2015
From: N Ireland
Posts: 346
Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by Babism View Post
"Nazarethan Baha'i faith" is compatible with Christianity, but is not Christian faith

That is truth what you said
1. TRUTH - Hell is literal place
" If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell"

2. TRUTH - Jesus died for our sins, Jesus went in our place (died for our sins) if we believe he is Son of God, Jesus blood was poured for our salvation - because of it - Jesus is called "Savior"
" Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me"

3. TRUTH - Jesus Resurrection occurred literal, Jesus had become spirit

" So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord"

Jacqueline, God bless you for these news

Visit blog of Nazarethan Baha'i Faith
https://nazarethanbahaifaith.wordpre...n-bahai-faith/
By claiming to have founded what he calls a Baha'i Faith, is this England resident Pawel Szul a covenant breaker?
 
Old 06-08-2017, 01:40 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Walrus's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2014
From: Wisconsin
Posts: 595
Quote:
Originally Posted by AidanK View Post
By claiming to have founded what he calls a Baha'i Faith, is this England resident Pawel Szul a covenant breaker?
No, of course not. That would imply he ever accepted a covenant to begin with.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 02:02 PM   #10
Lives in hope
 
AidanK's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2015
From: N Ireland
Posts: 346
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walrus View Post
No, of course not. That would imply he ever accepted a covenant to begin with.
Ok
 
Old 06-08-2017, 02:19 PM   #11
Lives in hope
 
AidanK's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2015
From: N Ireland
Posts: 346
.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 02:23 PM   #12
Lives in hope
 
AidanK's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2015
From: N Ireland
Posts: 346
Quote:
Originally Posted by Babism View Post
"Nazarethan Baha'i faith" is compatible with Christianity, but is not Christian faith

That is truth what you said
1. TRUTH - Hell is literal place
" If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell"

2. TRUTH - Jesus died for our sins, Jesus went in our place (died for our sins) if we believe he is Son of God, Jesus blood was poured for our salvation - because of it - Jesus is called "Savior"
" Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me"

3. TRUTH - Jesus Resurrection occurred literal, Jesus had become spirit

" So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord"

Jacqueline, God bless you for these news

Visit blog of Nazarethan Baha'i Faith
https://nazarethanbahaifaith.wordpre...n-bahai-faith/
Pawel please read about the wonderful Pole, Ludwik Lejzer Zamenhof and his daughter Lidia

Last edited by AidanK; 06-08-2017 at 02:25 PM.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 09:24 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
From: Dorset, England
Posts: 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by AidanK View Post
Pawel please read about the wonderful Pole, Ludwik Lejzer Zamenhof and his daughter Lidia
Each other have own story, Tahirih is the best
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:32 PM   #14
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2010
From: Australia
Posts: 9
We Baha'is accept Christ's first and Second Coming not just His first appearance. To accept Christ when He first came but reject His Promised return is to reject Him altogether.

So I hope, if you are sincere and love your Lord then you will put aside all you have been taught by men and investigate Baha'u'llah.
 
Old 07-19-2017, 11:56 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
From: Dorset, England
Posts: 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by worldcitizen View Post
We Baha'is accept Christ's first and Second Coming not just His first appearance. To accept Christ when He first came but reject His Promised return is to reject Him altogether.

So I hope, if you are sincere and love your Lord then you will put aside all you have been taught by men and investigate Baha'u'llah.

Why Nazarethan Baha'i faith is still belong to Baha'i Religion -
Obviously yes, Jesus passed away, his spirit ascended to heaven, he is nearest God, unit with him
Baha’u'llah is return of Jesus, Baha’u'llah is not bodily coming of Jesus but his spiritual coming
 
Reply

  Baha'i Forums > Baha'i Forums > General Discussion

Tags
christ, god, jesus



Thread Tools
Display Modes



Facebook @bahaiforums RSS


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2006 - 2017 Bahai Forums. All rights reserved.