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Old 08-16-2017, 11:00 PM   #1
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What is Meant by "Unseemly" Behavior?

"Verily I say, the tongue is for mentioning what is good, defile it not with unseemly talk. God hath forgiven what is past. Henceforward everyone 220 should utter that which is meet and seemly, and should refrain from slander, abuse and whatever causeth sadness in men."

-- Kitab-i-ahd, p. 219 (Bahá'Ă Reference Library - Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 219-223)

What is meant by seemly?

It seems fairly clear that what some would call "toilet humor" is unseemly.

It would also seem to me that dressing up like this would be unseemly:



But, I could be wrong. I'm curious to hear what others think, and if any guidance has been given on this issue by the Universal House of Justice.

It seems that a large amount of vain, overly silly, or pointless discourse (idle talk) goes on in society today.

Then again, perhaps that sentence was unseemly of me.

Clearly, I could use a little bit of guidance!
 
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Old 08-17-2017, 07:09 AM   #2
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"Verily I say, the tongue is for mentioning what is good, defile it not with unseemly talk. God hath forgiven what is past. Henceforward everyone 220 should utter that which is meet and seemly, and should refrain from slander, abuse and whatever causeth sadness in men."
Well I think the answer to your question is found in the second half of the quote you provided. "slander, abuse and whatever causeth sadness in men".
 
Old 08-17-2017, 09:58 AM   #3
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In context, "whatever causeth sadness in men" is meant "whatever is said that causeth sadness in men". Therefore, the chicken face is irrelevant, unless some sort of meaning is articulated for it, about which it could be determined whether or not it causes sadness in men.
 
Old 08-17-2017, 12:31 PM   #4
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What is meant by seemly?
I think the context is key to know what is seemly or unseemly.

There are some social contexts in which you know the people pretty well (e.g. your family and long-time friends) and you should have no problems.

There are others, though, in which people may not necessarily share your same sense of humor, cultural cliches, etc. The more varied the cultural background, the largest the uncertainty.
In those contexts, consultation (when possible) and prudence are key.

I must add that, for the sake of unity and peace, prudence and good will should be exercised not just by the person who communicates (e.g, the lady dressing with a chicken head), but also by those who judge the communicator (e.g. we as Baha'is).
 
Old 08-31-2017, 03:57 PM   #5
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Beloved friends by the way i see the young lady dressing as a unicorn not a chicken, just my take with the central horn.
In my copy of the Babs book, The Gate of the Heart, He explains very clearly how we are love each and every one, not rush to show our knowledge but to show acceptance and love.
So to be guarded in speach, something I have been guilty of in the past, we all learn little by little day by day.
I remember rising up in indignation against a National Spiritual Assembly after there every action was non Bahai the beloved Universal House of Justice asked me to show forth loving forgiveness, oh it is a hard path to follow, but I feel I am slowly gaining ground. So speak to others with seemly speach to show love and kindness To make them feel learned and important, Let others feel superior in knowledge, show forth humility. (not easy yo do).
With much love bill.
 
Old 09-02-2017, 02:49 AM   #6
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Beloved friends by the way i see the young lady dressing as a unicorn not a chicken, just my take with the central horn.
In my copy of the Babs book, The Gate of the Heart, He explains very clearly how we are love each and every one, not rush to show our knowledge but to show acceptance and love.
So to be guarded in speach, something I have been guilty of in the past, we all learn little by little day by day.
I remember rising up in indignation against a National Spiritual Assembly after there every action was non Bahai the beloved Universal House of Justice asked me to show forth loving forgiveness, oh it is a hard path to follow, but I feel I am slowly gaining ground. So speak to others with seemly speach to show love and kindness To make them feel learned and important, Let others feel superior in knowledge, show forth humility. (not easy yo do).
With much love bill.

Thank you Bill, very good advice and it is great to see you post.

Love to you and Vicky, from Annette and I.
 
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I think it depends on context. eg: what would be seemly with friends might not be seemly in a job interview.
 
Old 09-23-2017, 02:37 PM   #8
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I think it depends on context. eg: what would be seemly with friends might not be seemly in a job interview.
Indeed, the context makes the whole difference.

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