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Old 09-05-2017, 04:40 AM   #1
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We Have Arrived, Well, We've Always Been There!

I'm going to post my babbling on Quantum Physics from another source that will build up to my theory we are already in Heaven, Baha'ullah said we are closer than an Atom.

My Babble starts; My theory on Speed of Light. Apparently, according to quantum physics, what we perceive as our entire Universe, is a sort of illusion, as is Time also. So, when the subject of the speed of light crops up, it might be considered as an illusion caused by the illusion of Time. Any consciousness, at the Quantum level, if there can be one, would be in a timeless situation, some use the conjectured 4th dimension illustration to explain it, where you are everywhere at once and able to conceptualize everything all at once, as in able to comprehend all points of time, that which we see as linear here, there it's available all at once from all vantage points, end to beginning and beginning to end. So, here, speed is an illusion and the speed of light in a vacuum appears to be set and the maximum we can observe here, but at the quantum level where everything is connected in a 'smear'.

Additional: Einsteins Spooky Action At A Distance which has been proven many times, where two Entangled Particles, or, actually split a Photon into two halves, send each to opposite sides of the Universe and you see that if you do something to one of them, the other (completely blowing Light Speed out the window) Particle instantly reacts. Simple explanation is that Particles have one foot in this Illusion (or are at least observable in this, our state of Time Illusion) and the other foot in the Quantum Reality and being in the Quantum Reality they are not confined to the Illusion of Time and Speed, they are 'connected' or (dissolved into the Solution of the Quantum and are; here, there and everywhere. Well, we, our thoughts are comprised of this Quantum Smear Energy Wave form too, so perhaps our thoughts also have a foundation in that Timeless realm but we cannot see it, yet. To be determined at your personal 'time' of expiration!

End of Babble, and I say we are already in 'Heaven' and if you can grasp layman's Quantum Physics we have a proof of sorts, in that as science drills down from Molecule, to Atom, to Electrons, to Quarks etc, we reach the base of all Creation, the Quantum Smear, our source is the Smear, that realm where time doesn't exist and we are already there, this is all an illusion. I dare guess we actually volunteer to come here for mental and emotional growth. And the Teachings allow me to do this, to imagine that this is what we very well my be. As long as I don't force my concepts on others and not poo poo others and their concepts, as I say, you'll find out in short time! Your consciousnesses is part of the Smear, your so called physical form is the illusion, and when your physical form decays, your consciousness pulls back and once again becomes aware of the Timeless Smear in the Quantum world of our desired Heaven. You never left!

~Michael's original thought's here in this post is copy write protected!

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Old 09-05-2017, 06:25 AM   #2
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Very interesting indeed, Michael. Thanks for such insights.

Just a word on the illusory world of time, space and matter:

Illusory does not mean "non-existent" and this is something we should avoid, I guess.

The shadow of a tree exists. What is illusory is our belief that the shadow of the tree is the tree. If I start treating the shadow or dealing with the shadow as if it were the tree (e.g. asking the shadow to bear fruit), then I would live in an illusory state.... a state from which the Teachings warn me to get out from.

Using a metaphor, if I am talking to may wife through Skype in my smartphone, I know the image of my wife on the screen, and her voice coming from the speakers, are not really there. I am just perceiving points of light and waves of sound that are digital translations of an original phenomenon that appears to me as being here and now.

However, the points of light and the waves of sound exist. They are shadows of a greater reality, but shadows still exist.
Now, if I start preferring the virtual interaction through Skype over the direct interaction with my wife, if I start preferring how she looks like on camera and how she sounds on microphone over how she looks and sounds in daily situations, then I could say I live in illusion and that Skype has become an idol, an obstacle between me and my wife.

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Old 09-05-2017, 07:56 AM   #3
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Very interesting indeed, Michael. Thanks for such insights.

Just a word on the illusory world of time, space and matter:

Illusory does not mean "non-existent" and this is something we should avoid, I guess.

The shadow of a tree exists. What is illusory is our belief that the shadow of the tree is the tree. If I start treating the shadow or dealing with the shadow as if it were the tree (e.g. asking the shadow to bear fruit), then I would live in an illusory state.... a state from which the Teachings warn me to get out from.

Using a metaphor, if I am talking to may wife through Skype in my smartphone, I know the image of my wife on the screen, and her voice coming from the speakers, are not really there. I am just perceiving points of light and waves of sound that are digital translations of an original phenomenon that appears to me as being here and now.

However, the points of light and the waves of sound exist. They are shadows of a greater reality, but shadows still exist.
Now, if I start preferring the virtual interaction through Skype over the direct interaction with my wife, if I start preferring how she looks like on camera and how she sounds on microphone over how she looks and sounds in daily situations, then I could say I live in illusion and that Skype has become an idol, an obstacle between me and my wife.
Perhaps, these forms we call our bodies feel and appear solid yet are wave/particles. Perhaps a projection of sorts with our conscious 'inserted', but in truth the form is not solid, not the reality, and for all practical purpose an illusion.

They say we never in truth touch skin to skin, it is 'repulsion' that 'shove' against each other is what we sense. So illusion may still be appropriate, who knows. It is the consciousness that is real, is what we desire.

Also; when we believe we are looking at something outside our bodies when in practicality what we 'see' is a representation inside our brain. Maybe what we cannot see in these shells is the heaven we all wish to be apart of. Could be right there but beyond our scope at this moment.

So the physical form is an illusion when we drill down, you find waves. All the emphasis on Light in the Baha'i may be a much deeper thought then a pretty Sun. We are light (waves), I like that analogy.

I'm soon to be 63 so my time to full realization is approaching soon! LOL
 
Old 09-05-2017, 09:36 AM   #4
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I agree.

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Old 09-05-2017, 07:53 PM   #5
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I'm going to post my babbling on Quantum Physics from another source that will build up to my theory we are already in Heaven, Baha'ullah said we are closer than an Atom.

My Babble starts; My theory on Speed of Light. Apparently, according to quantum physics, what we perceive as our entire Universe, is a sort of illusion, as is Time also. So, when the subject of the speed of light crops up, it might be considered as an illusion caused by the illusion of Time. Any consciousness, at the Quantum level, if there can be one, would be in a timeless situation, some use the conjectured 4th dimension illustration to explain it, where you are everywhere at once and able to conceptualize everything all at once, as in able to comprehend all points of time, that which we see as linear here, there it's available all at once from all vantage points, end to beginning and beginning to end. So, here, speed is an illusion and the speed of light in a vacuum appears to be set and the maximum we can observe here, but at the quantum level where everything is connected in a 'smear'.

Additional: Einsteins Spooky Action At A Distance which has been proven many times, where two Entangled Particles, or, actually split a Photon into two halves, send each to opposite sides of the Universe and you see that if you do something to one of them, the other (completely blowing Light Speed out the window) Particle instantly reacts. Simple explanation is that Particles have one foot in this Illusion (or are at least observable in this, our state of Time Illusion) and the other foot in the Quantum Reality and being in the Quantum Reality they are not confined to the Illusion of Time and Speed, they are 'connected' or (dissolved into the Solution of the Quantum and are; here, there and everywhere. Well, we, our thoughts are comprised of this Quantum Smear Energy Wave form too, so perhaps our thoughts also have a foundation in that Timeless realm but we cannot see it, yet. To be determined at your personal 'time' of expiration!

End of Babble, and I say we are already in 'Heaven' and if you can grasp layman's Quantum Physics we have a proof of sorts, in that as science drills down from Molecule, to Atom, to Electrons, to Quarks etc, we reach the base of all Creation, the Quantum Smear, our source is the Smear, that realm where time doesn't exist and we are already there, this is all an illusion. I dare guess we actually volunteer to come here for mental and emotional growth. And the Teachings allow me to do this, to imagine that this is what we very well my be. As long as I don't force my concepts on others and not poo poo others and their concepts, as I say, you'll find out in short time! Your consciousnesses is part of the Smear, your so called physical form is the illusion, and when your physical form decays, your consciousness pulls back and once again becomes aware of the Timeless Smear in the Quantum world of our desired Heaven. You never left!

~Michael's original thought's here in this post is copy write protected!

Great thoughts Michael.

I think, if quantum theory is your thing, you would benefit greatly from this course from physicist, Steven Phelps, who served in the Research Dept in Haifa for several years.

It literally transformed my understanding of the Faith

https://soundcloud.com/khelabaskett/...-new-narrative

Kam

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Old 09-06-2017, 02:26 PM   #6
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Hi Michael,

Thank you for your thoughts, they are really very thought provoking!

Quantum nonlocality and entanglement are fascinating subjects to consider. Quite simply, I think you are right that quantum mechanics wreaks havoc with conventional notions of causality that are at the foundation of many materialistic and deterministic assumptions underpinning scientific theory to this day - assumptions which deny the possibility of transcendent realities or entities beyond a mechanistic understanding of space-time where everything - absolutely everything - is reducible to matter and energy.

Experiments on so-called "entangled states", increasingly prove that nature is inherently "nonlocal" and is suffused with 'quantum correlations' between particles or points in a field and thereby linking far-flung locations in a phenomenon that Albert Einstein described (like you say above" as “spooky action at a distance.” But a growing body of research is investigating how these correlations span time as well, which is even more perplexing for scientists wedded to mechanistic causality.

It has always been a wonder to me: this fundamental distinction between the 'laws' governing the conventional, Newtonian realm of classical physics at the macroscopic level, on the one hand; and the weirdness (to our limited understanding) of the quantum world at the microscopic level, something demonstrated so neatly in the famous "double-slit" experiment and indeed with the nonlocality/entanglement phenomenon(s) that you refer to in detail above - where an event in one place can have an influence on another distant place in either space or time, even if the two locations cannot interact (i.e. are not "local" or proximate to one another).
 
Old 09-06-2017, 05:11 PM   #7
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Great thoughts Michael.

I think, if quantum theory is your thing, you would benefit greatly from this course from physicist, Steven Phelps, who served in the Research Dept in Haifa for several years.

It literally transformed by understanding of the Faith

https://soundcloud.com/khelabaskett/...-new-narrative

Kam
Thank you, I'll look into it!
 
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