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Old 09-06-2017, 05:27 AM   #1
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Extreme Poverty



Hans Rosling and extreme poverty and how we can solve.

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Old 09-14-2017, 12:27 AM   #2
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Thanks for sharing great video. Poverty is a situation where a human struggle real hard to have a miserable meal that leads to unhealthy conditions like depression or any other disease, everyone hates poverty, but very few takes steps to help people overcome poverty. My brother appreciates organizations like mission humanitaire afrique, who work for human welfare and had also asked me to look at these guys websites.
 
Old 09-14-2017, 06:10 AM   #3
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Thanks for sharing great video. Poverty is a situation where a human struggle real hard to have a miserable meal that leads to unhealthy conditions like depression or any other disease, everyone hates poverty, but very few takes steps to help people overcome poverty. My brother appreciates organizations like mission humanitaire afrique, who work for human welfare and had also asked me to look at these guys websites.
I've been thinking about poverty, which leads me to questions to ponder. What is poverty? Is it a frame of mind? We still have humans living in Tribes, as they have lived a thousand years ago. Do they have feelings of poverty? Is there one person out of the tribe of 200 who feels in poverty? Are there people who live in France who have more power and better health than the wealthiest royalty of 150 years ago yet feel they are in poverty? Are those who still live off the land and are hungry because the rains didn't come feel they are in poverty? If someone feels they are in poverty, is it only due to them wanting what those at the top have which they don't have? Is what we consider today as poverty different from what we felt it was 400 years ago? Is the self protection emotion, where our instinct rules, where it's fight or flight, such a powerful emotion that we will never look first to the comfort of others over our self, even though there is enough for everyone? Humanity has been set in the situation where every human was trapped by locality and available local resources. As a person of faith who believes in an eternal existence after mortal death, an existence where we are in a massively better place place so much concern on poverty and the early death it's provides others? Why when we believe we are all going to 'heaven' do we stress so terribly so, about what goes on in this extremely short duration of our existence? Is agony of dying from cancer after a long life better or less than the agony of dying from starvation and illness early in life? No matter what we do, nor how far we feel we have advanced, some people will continue to live short and painful lives, accidents, earthquake, flood, depression, hate. If we temporarily save three people out of a thousand over and over again in a state of gross over population relevant? We tend to down play those who died in circumstances such as Pompeii vs those who die at the hands of our economic war army's, and the those who 'win' feel justified. We die, bottom line that is what we do best. That is what we will continue to do until the planet we live on dies as it will. Baha'u'llah says we are within the distance of an atom from 'heaven', Science is pointing to we are not real forms, we our bodies are not solid, our bodies are formed from waves and the closer we look the more we see a complete connection between all we imagine as separated but in reality intimately connected and that this Universe is a Hologram of sorts emulating from a two dimensional plane. The science, the math is showing Time isn't real but another illusion. It is seemingly we are already there, in heaven, yet our minds are poking up onto this stage of false mortality. Questions, questions, questions, is it better to allow death take those who even though temporarily saved will still be enslaved in a locale and time where misery never ceases??? Where even though help is readily available but the king or whatever insane person won't allow that assistance through. It all seems like banging one's head against a wall, when death will take all in short time? We created poverty, it is a creation of humanity, so of course it can be eliminated. It isn't something to be solved like, how do we solved drought or move people out of current earthquake zones or vastly improve buildings to survive hurricanes. Bahullh says humanity must bring about the minor peace, before the major peace, so there is our proof we invented poverty and only we as a group, can eliminate poverty. It would seem we are being advised that it will come, it is preordained and awaiting the needed conditions to join mankind back together after the Tower of Babel? Currently it may be impossible to eliminate when so many sit back and say nothing and even partake in the political and selfish financial actions of greed and war economy activities. When money donated seems to get swallowed up by scams with gross 'administrative costs'. With most poverty is an ingrained part of our societies where a few are making personal wealth off abusing people. Maybe we need this fake stage of anguish to learn to appreciate the eternal and timeless existence we are apart of?

Looking to, Love Thy Neighbor' may be the key? As we traverse this short life, do not hesitate to love and care for all in our sight and reach. For only by giving love does love get taught to those who never learned nor felt it. Money given will never teach love, money cannot eliminate poverty, only love and coming together as one family will give us a chance? And that starts in our neighborhood and town?


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Old 09-15-2017, 08:14 PM   #4
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I've been thinking about poverty, which leads me to questions to ponder. What is poverty? Is it a frame of mind? We still have humans living in Tribes, as they have lived a thousand years ago. Do they have feelings of poverty? Is there one person out of the tribe of 200 who feels in poverty? Are there people who live in France who have more power and better health than the wealthiest royalty of 150 years ago yet feel they are in poverty?
Hi Michael

I think poverty is in certain way a relative concept. We feel worse off in relation to the better offs, specially the better offs who are alive around us.

Having said that, I think that hunger, or pain, or cold, are not relative concepts. Your whole tribe can share your standards of nutrition, health and housing. But we know it when we are hungry, in pain or cold, regardless the conditions of others. We can't just get "used" to it. This is not relative but "absolute" poverty.

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As a person of faith who believes in an eternal existence after mortal death, an existence where we are in a massively better place place so much concern on poverty and the early death it's provides others? Why when we believe we are all going to 'heaven' do we stress so terribly so, about what goes on in this extremely short duration of our existence? Is agony of dying from cancer after a long life better or less than the agony of dying from starvation and illness early in life?
This life on this earth, even when transient, is what we have. It is precious. It is crucial. It is our here and now. It is the building block of eternity.
Our bodies are home. Our planet is home. Our neighbors are home.
The very fact that God gave us physical bodies, physical needs and a physical world... the very fact that the Manifestations of Gods had a body, speaks loudly of the importance of the contingent world for the development of our soul and the unfoldment of His Plan.

Sometimes we create a false split between spiritual and material realms. Both are different aspects of the Oneness of Existence.
Matter matters.



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Looking to, Love Thy Neighbor' may be the key? As we traverse this short life, do not hesitate to love and care for all in our sight and reach. For only by giving love does love get taught to those who never learned nor felt it.

Money given will never teach love, money cannot eliminate poverty, only love and coming together as one family will give us a chance? And that starts in our neighborhood and town?
You're right. Money given can mitigate but cannot solve poverty. Money made, however, can. Hence the importance of helping people to help themselves.
Now, How can a girl learn about the Love of God on an empty stomach?
Food, vaccines, running water, mosquito nets... but specially, education and jobs to make people self-sufficient, are all vehicles of the Love of God through human agents.

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