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Old 09-14-2017, 03:48 PM   #1
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bible on the end times..

Hi a question for anyone who can help for a new bahai. Why is the end times mentioned in the bible? I know this because william miller predicted the coming of 'christ' from the bible... william miller predicted the coming of christ in 1844 (same year as bab) who got his info from daniel 8:14 but this is at a time when the next prophet in line has not even come mohammad.. so why so much emphasis on the end times/bahahullah. If the end times is just another prophet surely there would be no emphasis except in the quran but in the bible it confuses me.
 
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:56 PM   #2
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I am sorry the question is also confusing.

Maybe ask in another way with what specifically confuses you.

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Old 09-15-2017, 04:43 AM   #3
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The coming of bahahullah is mentioned in the bible in daniel 8.14 .. because william miller had predicted the coming in 1844. Im wondering why the bible has insight into the coming of the bahaullah when the only interest at jesus time should be the coming of the NEXT prophet which was mohammad
 
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I guess the reason is with coming of Bab, an era, an old cycle, was ended- that is the Adamic cycle and a new cycle started; humanity passed its infant stage and entered adulthood. this is the cycle for which the universal peace is forcasted.
 
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I guess the reason is with coming of Bab, an era, an old cycle, was ended- that is the Adamic cycle and a new cycle started; humanity passed its infant stage and entered adulthood. this is the cycle for which the universal peace is forcasted.
Makes sense thank you. Can I ask where you got that information from
 
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Two links on the Bible and the End Times as written by 'Abdu'l-Baha:

Revelation 11
Revelation 12
 
Old 09-15-2017, 02:23 PM   #7
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The coming of bahahullah is mentioned in the bible in daniel 8.14 .. because william miller had predicted the coming in 1844. Im wondering why the bible has insight into the coming of the bahaullah when the only interest at jesus time should be the coming of the NEXT prophet which was mohammad
It's an intersting question. Muhammad is there, in the Book of Revelation, slthough mentioned only in passing.

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Old 09-15-2017, 09:19 PM   #8
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The coming of bahahullah is mentioned in the bible in daniel 8.14 .. because william miller had predicted the coming in 1844. Im wondering why the bible has insight into the coming of the bahaullah when the only interest at jesus time should be the coming of the NEXT prophet which was mohammad
I think all Holy Books show the Progression of religion and Gods Messengers in a variety of ways.

It could be that that we have not read them correctly. The Torah and Bible have passages showing the Progression, thus I would assume so have the other Holy Books.

We can explore this if you wish?

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Makes sense thank you. Can I ask where you got that information from
not a specific book; but the whole Bahai scriptures I have read until now in a way mention these characteristics.
you can read about ages and cycles in this link:
https://bahai-library.com/momen_ency...ia_ages_cycles
 
Old 09-16-2017, 07:48 AM   #10
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Hi a question for anyone who can help for a new bahai. Why is the end times mentioned in the bible? I know this because william miller predicted the coming of 'christ' from the bible... william miller predicted the coming of christ in 1844 (same year as bab) who got his info from daniel 8:14 but this is at a time when the next prophet in line has not even come mohammad.. so why so much emphasis on the end times/bahahullah. If the end times is just another prophet surely there would be no emphasis except in the quran but in the bible it confuses me.
It would be for the Christians of our time. Those who did not recognize Muhammad, would still have a chance to recognize return of Christ.
 
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It would be for the Christians of our time. Those who did not recognize Muhammad, would still have a chance to recognize return of Christ.
But the return of Christ just means the return of another prophet right so that applies to mohammad aswell correct?
 
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But the return of Christ just means the return of another prophet right so that applies to mohammad aswell correct?
May I recommend you read the Kitab-i-iqan, it explains this question in detail. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’ Reference Library

It is indeed the book of certitude.

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Old 09-18-2017, 01:07 PM   #13
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May I recommend you read the Kitab-i-iqan, it explains this question in detail. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’ Reference Library

It is indeed the book of certitude.

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Judgement day refers to the coming of the propher bahaullah so are we still in judgement day now? so the people who accept go to paradise and those who reject hell .. was the judgement day when he came and lived or even now?
 
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The coming of bahahullah is mentioned in the bible in daniel 8.14 .. because william miller had predicted the coming in 1844. Im wondering why the bible has insight into the coming of the bahaullah when the only interest at jesus time should be the coming of the NEXT prophet which was mohammad
I see what you are asking.

The first thing to note is that the book of Daniel refers to two prophets, Jesus and the Bab (not Baha'u'llah, as it seems you might be under the impression that Daniel predicts Baha'u'llah, which is not the case). Neither of those prophets were the Prophet after Daniel, which is Hosea.

So Daniel's predictions refer to two prophets who are both far-off from Daniel's lifetime.

On the subject of Muhammad, it's commonly thought that John 14:26 in specific refers to Muhammad. And the book of Revelation, according to 'Abdu'l-Baha, refers specifically to Muhammad and even Ali, as they appear as the "two witnesses".

Muhammad's revelation is portrayed as the mother of the Second Coming (which is why she is portrayed with the Moon (Ottomans/Sunni), the Sun(Persians/Shia) and Twelve Stars(Twelve Imams), all symbols of Islam). This is why the second coming was born into an Islamic society, Islam was the mother of the Second Coming's Revelation.

Here are two links where 'Abdu'l-Baha explains the prediction of Muhammad by St. John.

Bahá' Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 45-61
Bahá' Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

Basically, in general, the Bible (and its many books of many authors) predicts the comings of many prophets, Muhammad and the Bab alike.

So it's not as if the Bible predicts the coming of Baha'u'llah but not Muhammad. Muhammad, like many other prophets, is foretold in the Bible. It's not necessarily the case that a prophet will predict only the prophet that comes next. That can sometimes be the case, as the Bab predicts Baha'u'llah but (I think) doesn't predict further, but St. John predicts both Muhammad and Ali, and Daniel predicts Jesus and the Bab.

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Old 09-18-2017, 01:28 PM   #15
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Judgement day refers to the coming of the propher bahaullah so are we still in judgement day now? so the people who accept go to paradise and those who reject hell .. was the judgement day when he came and lived or even now?
To use the phrasing in Revelation, Judgement Day would have been in Baha'u'llah's life (or the Bab's Life), whereas now is the "Millennium Rule" of the Second Coming (which is why Baha'u'llah states there will not be another prophet until 1,000 years after his Word, because his Word will be the ruling revelation for 1,000 years, as the prophets foretold in the Bible).

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Old 09-18-2017, 02:00 PM   #16
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To use the phrasing in Revelation, Judgement Day would have been in Baha'u'llah's life (or the Bab's Life), whereas now is the "Millennium Rule" of the Second Coming (which is why Baha'u'llah states there will not be another prophet until 1,000 years after his Word, because his Word will be the ruling revelation for 1,000 years, as the prophets foretold in the Bible).
because the quran talks about how on judgement day believers will be in paradise and non believers hell.. and bahais always say closeness to god will be like paradise. So surely the people who follow the latest manifestation of god will be in paradise? and the quran always says on judgement day they who beleive will be in paradise so surley thats still aplicable now
 
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I see what you are asking.

The first thing to note is that the book of Daniel refers to two prophets, Jesus and the Bab (not Baha'u'llah, as it seems you might be under the impression that Daniel predicts Baha'u'llah, which is not the case). Neither of those prophets were the Prophet after Daniel, which is Hosea.

So Daniel's predictions refer to two prophets who are both far-off from Daniel's lifetime.

On the subject of Muhammad, it's commonly thought that John 14:26 in specific refers to Muhammad. And the book of Revelation, according to 'Abdu'l-Baha, refers specifically to Muhammad and even Ali, as they appear as the "two witnesses".

Muhammad's revelation is portrayed as the mother of the Second Coming (which is why she is portrayed with the Moon (Ottomans/Sunni), the Sun(Persians/Shia) and Twelve Stars(Twelve Imams), all symbols of Islam). This is why the second coming was born into an Islamic society, Islam was the mother of the Second Coming's Revelation.

Here are two links where 'Abdu'l-Baha explains the prediction of Muhammad by St. John.

Bahá' Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 45-61
Bahá' Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

Basically, in general, the Bible (and its many books of many authors) predicts the comings of many prophets, Muhammad and the Bab alike.

So it's not as if the Bible predicts the coming of Baha'u'llah but not Muhammad. Muhammad, like many other prophets, is foretold in the Bible. It's not necessarily the case that a prophet will predict only the prophet that comes next. That can sometimes be the case, as the Bab predicts Baha'u'llah but (I think) doesn't predict further, but St. John predicts both Muhammad and Ali, and Daniel predicts Jesus and the Bab.
thanks dude just saw this nice! god bless
 
Old 09-20-2017, 02:54 AM   #18
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Judgement day refers to the coming of the propher bahaullah so are we still in judgement day now? so the people who accept go to paradise and those who reject hell .. was the judgement day when he came and lived or even now?
The way I understand it is 'Judgement Day' is the Dispensation of the Messenger. Thus from the time the Message is given until the next Message, it is Judgement Day.

Yes we are in Judgement Day. The Bible also explains the choice as being the opporrunity to be Born Again.

This Judgement Day, to me, is unique. In accepting Baha'u'llah, we also realise we have accepted all of Gods past Messengers This is an immense bounty.

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