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Old 09-25-2017, 05:53 AM   #1
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Democratic Socialist of America

I just signed up as a supporting sponsor member of the Democratic Socialist of America. Do I need to turn in my Bahai card?
 
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Old 09-25-2017, 06:41 AM   #2
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Being a bahai is a lot more then just a card.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 07:53 AM   #3
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Being a bahai is a lot more then just a card.
I guess what I need to ask is, I wish to continue as a Baha'i, but I'm firmly wanting to support and be a part of the DSA. So, am I required to make a choice according to Teachings. If I'm open about it, will the nearest LSA be required to speak to me to change my mind about the DSA?
 
Old 09-25-2017, 11:16 AM   #4
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Well being a member of a third party before I became a Baha'i gave me the life experiences that led me to conclude that membership in any political party was a terrible idea, so I'd say go for it. You might learn something important.

The political divide is getting ridiculous, and firsthand experience may be the best way to realize how toxic that divide is these days. Good luck!!
 
Old 09-25-2017, 01:38 PM   #5
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The political divide is getting ridiculous, and firsthand experience may be the best way to realize how toxic that divide is these days. Good luck!!
Hear, hear! I couldn't agree more. There is a basic problem of tolerance. I think people on both (or, maybe "all") sides would do a good thing, if at least they made it clear to each other that they still consider each other as human beings with an undeniable right to live on Earth. At present, it seems like such a statement would be a radical step forward.

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Old 09-27-2017, 05:50 AM   #6
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Well being a member of a third party before I became a Baha'i gave me the life experiences that led me to conclude that membership in any political party was a terrible idea, so I'd say go for it. You might learn something important.

The political divide is getting ridiculous, and firsthand experience may be the best way to realize how toxic that divide is these days. Good luck!!
I think it's possible that it any way station towards Unity with their goals, and they also see DS as a way station to something better yet. But as in any institution, it is only as good as it's members. Here is what intrigued me.

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About DSA

The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics.

At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that:

decrease the influence of money in politics

empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy

restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable.

We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society.

In this web site you can find out about DSA, its politics, structure and program. DSA's political perspective is called Where We Stand. It says, in part,

We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.

We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships."

I do suspect that the current America system of governance is simply a tool of the 1% or Oligarch's. If enough DS are elected to cause a positive action then the Military, Industrial, Congressional, 1% will use other harse means to wrest their control back. Being as America has a vast War Economy and it's all tied together. But any positive action is good. I do see the need to stay out of politics as it is a corrupted and faulty system. But I agree, live and learn.
 
Old 09-27-2017, 12:18 PM   #7
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When I was a third party member what I experienced was essentially this:

The party I agreed with had points of agreement and disagreement with both major political parties of my country. Going in, I assumed this meant that I would be seen as a potential ally of both sides: someone who could bridge the gap between the two, and bring something like unity.

In reality, what I've found is that people are very invested in their political identity labels!! Both sides, rather, viewed me as an "enemy", regardless of the fact we agreed on many points.

It's essentially come to the point of tribalism: If you don't share the same political label as another person, it doesn't matter what a person believe, they could even share all the same beliefs, yet they will still tend to view the other person as "the enemy" because they don't use the same labels.

Which is why I've come to believe that, when it comes to politics, the best thing to do is to drop all sorts of labels. Political identity, party, or labels just seem to be tools people use to divide, and nothing more.

But, again, perhaps being a third party and seeing first-hand how both sides react to that status with "othering" is probably the best way to learn this first-hand, so again, good luck!! It likely won't be easy!!
 
Old 09-27-2017, 12:24 PM   #8
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Hear, hear! I couldn't agree more. There is a basic problem of tolerance. I think people on both (or, maybe "all") sides would do a good thing, if at least they made it clear to each other that they still consider each other as human beings with an undeniable right to live on Earth. At present, it seems like such a statement would be a radical step forward.

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Weirdly I think it might be a positive development (but then again I tend to err on the side of optimism).

The kind of vitriol that people use to other one another over political identity is the kind of vitriol they once used to other one another based on race, class, religion, etc.

And while racism, religious discrimination, and the like still exist, they are growing less and less popular overall.

I think people took the tribalist division that they once applied to things like race or religion, and are instead trying to work it into political party preference. Division, I don't doubt, will not die easy, but it's being forced from its formerly popular positions and is being driven into more obscure corners.

Overall, it seems like we're winning and Division is being forced to retreat from things like race and religion into other avenues like political ideology and national identity. We're, gradually but surely, running out of ways to divide one another, which has the temporary effect of causing the few remaining Divisions to seem more important to those who wish to divide us.
 
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The kind of vitriol that people use to other one another over political identity is the kind of vitriol they once used to other one another based on race, class, religion, etc.
Quite honestly, I'm beginning to feel that the hateful words that people increasingly seem to spread against others, belonging to other creeds, races, political parties, sexes, sexual orientations, users of inferior brands, eaters of the wrong foods, drinkers of the wrong beverages, owners of the wrong kinds of pets, etc etc, are the important thing in itself. The supposed reasons are just pretexts. The main thing is to find a pretext for expressing oneself in the most shameful and hateful way possible.

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Old 10-02-2017, 03:13 AM   #10
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I just signed up as a supporting sponsor member of the Democratic Socialist of America. Do I need to turn in my Bahai card?
Just hold on to your card and walk the path you have chosen. A card just confirms the heart.

God will guide your heart.

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Old 10-02-2017, 05:14 PM   #11
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Quite honestly, I'm beginning to feel that the hateful words that people increasingly seem to spread against others, belonging to other creeds, races, political parties, sexes, sexual orientations, users of inferior brands, eaters of the wrong foods, drinkers of the wrong beverages, owners of the wrong kinds of pets, etc etc, are the important thing in itself. The supposed reasons are just pretexts. The main thing is to find a pretext for expressing oneself in the most shameful and hateful way possible.

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Very insightful Jan
 
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