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Old 10-10-2017, 10:15 AM   #1
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"Recite ye The Verses of God"

In the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Baha'u'llah exhorts us to recite the verses of God every morning and evening. I have been wondering a few things about this.

What do we define as "the verses of God?" Are these all the writings of Baha'u'llah? Or is there a specific subset that we are meant to read every day?

Are we meant to recite them aloud, or is reading them in silence sufficient?
 
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:19 AM   #2
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Dear djg,

the Universal House of Justice has clarified that every Tablet of Bahá'u'lláh or the Báb (or the Qur'án) can be read. There is no specific regulation about reading loud or silent.

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Bahá’u’lláh states that the essential “requisite” for reciting “the verses of God” is the “eagerness and love” of the believers to “read the Word of God” (Q and A 68). With regard to the definition of “verses of God”, Bahá’u’lláh states that it refers to “all that hath been sent down from the Heaven of Divine Utterance”. Shoghi Effendi, in a letter written to one of the believers in the East, has clarified that the term “verses of God” does not include the writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá; he has likewise indicated that this term does not apply to his own writings.
 
Old 10-10-2017, 03:08 PM   #3
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Thank you.

Would this also include the Bible, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Dhammapada, etc.?
 
Old 10-11-2017, 12:35 AM   #4
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Thank you.

Would this also include the Bible, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Dhammapada, etc.?
Good question, I have only a reflection to give.

I always consider the Hidden words in this regard. when we look at the preamble;

"This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue."

Then we have short meditations that contain the inner essence of all the Holy Books of the past.

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-11-2017, 12:43 AM   #5
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The Bible can be considered "come down from the Heaven uf Utterance" but it is not as authentic as the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh or the Báb because they are secondary sources and not written by Jesus Himself. But as Bahá'u'lláh Himself quotes parts of the Bible they may seem authentic.

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...we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Bahá'ís, is that what has been quoted by Bahá'u'lláh and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate. (23 January 1944)
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You ask for elucidation of the statement made on behalf of the Guardian in this letter of 11 February 1944, "When 'Abdu'l-Bahá states we believe what is in the Bible, He means in substance. Not that we believe every word of it to be taken literally or that every word is the authentic saying of the Prophet." Is it not clear that what Shoghi Effendi means here is that we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Moses and Christ in the Old and New Testaments are Their exact words, but that, in view of the general principle enunciated by Bahá'u'lláh in the "Kitab-i-Iqan" that God's Revelation is under His care and protection, we can be confident that the essence, or essential elements, of what these two Manifestations of God intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in these two Books? (19 July 1981)
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The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet. ...The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words (9 August 1984)
 
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