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Old 10-31-2017, 10:46 AM   #1
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Important question on lies

I understand lying is forbidden. I have heard from a Baha'i if I enter Iran and I am a Baha'i and I get asked if I am a Baha'i I must say yes as lying is forbidden .. Now what if your intentions are really clean and clear but a lie is said is it still forbidden as the bhagvad Gita is based on Krishna lying for the overall good .. And that makes sense to me
 
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Old 10-31-2017, 10:49 AM   #2
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If you agree that lying is totally forbidden how you would you answer this ..You're at home and a friend bursts in and hides in your home. He is being chased by someone who wants to kill them. Said person bursts in and asks you if you have seen your friend and if he friend is hiding here. What do you do? From a baha'i perspective, how do you remain truthful if doing so will get your friend killed?
 
Old 10-31-2017, 12:19 PM   #3
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What specific scriptural verses are you referring to?

It sounds like you're just talking about the verses on Taqiya, which is a type of lying, but not lying in general. Rather it is an act of concealing one's religious convictions.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 01:02 PM   #4
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Dear Yousefy2,

I don't think that lying is forbidden at any cost. But surely one should try to avoid lying in instances where the lives of others don't depend on it. Lying is not a proper course of action simply to avoid difficulties.

For the example you mentioned I would answer "I cannot tell you". You don't have to lie, because you don't answer the question at all. Saying nothing is not lying IMO. And of course it is true that you cannot tell the person trying to kill your friend - or even a stranger - where he is because your ethical values forbid. ;-)
 
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If you say "I cannot tell you" they know that you have either seen him or are hiding him.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 10:58 AM   #6
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Your premise is faulty - the Baha’i teachings do not say that you must not lie at all costs.


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Old 11-01-2017, 11:20 AM   #7
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Can you provide any passages from the scripture allowing one to lie under certain circumstances
 
Old 11-01-2017, 11:22 AM   #8
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Certainly for an intelligent man death is better than sin, and a cut tongue is better than lying or calumny. - abdul baha
and Bahaullah has many passages on being truthful
 
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I understand lying is forbidden. I have heard from a Baha'i if I enter Iran and I am a Baha'i and I get asked if I am a Baha'i I must say yes as lying is forbidden .. Now what if your intentions are really clean and clear but a lie is said is it still forbidden as the bhagvad Gita is based on Krishna lying for the overall good .. And that makes sense to me
Abdulbaha said, certain lies are not blameworthy. It is in Some answered questions. Search for keyword 'blameworthy' in that Book.


Here:

"Consider that the worst of all qualities and the most odious of all attributes, and the very
foundation of all evil, is lying, and that no more evil or reprehensible quality can be imagined in all
existence. It brings all human perfections to naught and gives rise to countless vices. There is no
worse attribute than this, and it is the foundation of all wickedness. Now, all this notwithstanding,
should a physician console a patient and say, “Thank God, you are doing better and there is hope
for your recovery”, although these words may be contrary to the truth, yet sometimes they will ease
the patient’s mind and become the means of curing the illness. And this is not blameworthy."

Last edited by InvestigateTruth; 11-01-2017 at 11:35 AM.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 02:21 PM   #10
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Yeah but it's not a lie if it becomes the means of his recovery I feel
 
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